Poll: "ear piercings are fully accepted for both genders"
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In other words, you don't even accept that there are things that are subjective and cultural that different Christians in different places will have honestly different impressions about.
(And I think you know I am not talking of doctrines such as John 14.6 being subjective.)
Thank you! For me... he was a good fellow, even though for others, including my wife, he was hard to take. He died before this thing of separating distance came into play. Perhaps that is why God called him at the time, for I suspect he would have struggled to bind himself according the rule of distance and mask. The Lord showed me a lot through that man! Give God the glory!
Does this lack of "theologizing" on this or any issue automatically make it right in the eyes of God? The majority has never had the final say with regard to the things of God. God, as I understand it, looks at each heart. This includes looking closely at each person and what he has knowingly done with regard to another person. We are our brother's keeper or should be! Our director should never be our own self... unless we have already overcome completely as Jesus did.
I think most of all of the Gospel as the rule of the believer's life: deciding to give those various young men, who have been willing to come to meetings to hear the Word of God, a hard time merely because of their earrings (it's a very widespread custom, and has been for a long time) would likely have the effect of driving them away from hearing the Word of God.
It has not occurred to anyone - anyone - to give them a hard time.
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People who are hard hearted and/or do not understand God message may drive someone away from a particular meeting in a given assembly but who can drive away from God someone who is really hungry and thirsty for His righteousness? If your assembly had treated them wrong, it would have been on their own heads, but it would not have caused such young men away God. God is in control and He keeps His promises no matter people do or try to do:
"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6
If you and yours are unwilling to fill them because of the way they look... not to worry, God will still keep His promise.
You are talking about people, not God in people. A carnal person can be changed, one way or the other, but God cannot be changed. Don't try to put man's frailties and failures and mistakes on God. They don't fit.! When a person who really has received the gift of the Holy Spirit begin to treat others in the wrong way, he is quenching the Holy Spirit... People should not do this, but at times they most certainly do!
Yes, good,.......
And when they subject (as if possible) God's Word UNDER culture, or UNDER people's feelings/ emotions/ sins, (and as if under tradition opposed to God and contrary to His Word),
they lose. (often their lives) (like the Religious leaders in the NT who sought to kill Jesus, same type)
SIN is still a WIDESPREAD custom, everywhere.
Except in those who are new creations.
Polluting any fellowship with willful, unrepentant sinners, so as to get more money giving them tats,
or committing any sin at all,
is wrong, all the time.
Actually a lot of Christians like rock; and Disciple's Battle Lines is very effective with hard hitting Biblical lyrics.
I don't recall promoting smoking at all; I remember a lot of comments around quitting smoking.
Perhaps ppl read the nuances differently, I don't know...
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I don't recall promoting smoking; I do recall discussions commending quit smoking efforts.
A lot of Christians do appreciate rock music; Disciple's Battle Lines, for example, has hard hitting Biblical lyrics.
I don't recall promoting smoking; I do recall discussions commending quit smoking efforts.
A lot of Christians do appreciate rock music; Disciple's Battle Lines, for example, has hard hitting Biblical lyrics.
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@Giuliano I agree; it used to be a rite of passage for girls, and still is. It's also long been a rite of passage for a lot of boys now, as well.
@Giuliano Put plainly, in many families, when boys get to a certain age, it's what they do, isn't it?
While girls might subsequently wearing prefer to wear more ornate feminine ones, for a lot of boys and young men, studded earlobes with rugged studs would very widely be regarded as a thoroughly masculine look, for those who want and expect to do it.
While girls might subsequently wearing prefer to wear more ornate feminine ones, for a lot of boys and young men, studded earlobes with rugged studs would very widely be regarded as a thoroughly masculine look, for those who want and expect to do it.
@Helen, Males generally do both now, don't they? and often women who would in the past do one each side, often do two each side now, don't they? We have to recognize that it's widespread all round now. And benign.
The idea of giving boys/young men in church a hard time about any earrings they happen to wear would seem to be a completely wrong priority and a waste of time, seeing as it's so widespread and they themselves wouldn't even remember a time when it was less widespread. (In any case, it's often their moms that have likely been behind them piercing their ears... @Helen would probably understand...!)
All this seems manifestly self-evident, anyway.
All this seems manifestly self-evident, anyway.
If the right way to do things was "manifestly self-evident" to any who were seek His Way, God would not have needed to send Jesus to be crucified. It would not have been necessary to pour out His Spirit on all flesh. It would have been a lie for Jeremiah to have penned these words:
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
Do you understand what was wrong with Saul before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus? He could not see where he was going!
The fact that in some areas especially it's widespread and widely done by boys and men as well as women and girls is rather obvious, I would have thought. It's the custom in a lot of families in some places. Including it seemed at the small, conservative local church that my wife and I go to, among a majority of the young men / boys.
It's just obviously the case that as well as being a sort of rite of passage for girls when they get to a certain age, a lot of boys do it now, and have done for a very long time. With the encouragement of their moms, it would seem.
Some like it; some don't; and if some don't like it: fine. But it's just hard to deny that it's the well established custom of some men and boys; and that wives and moms might well like it, and give it their blessing, if their men or boys have the idea of doing it. Helen said:
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circleofmoms dot comToni said:
It's just obviously the case that as well as being a sort of rite of passage for girls when they get to a certain age, a lot of boys do it now, and have done for a very long time. With the encouragement of their moms, it would seem.
Some like it; some don't; and if some don't like it: fine. But it's just hard to deny that it's the well established custom of some men and boys; and that wives and moms might well like it, and give it their blessing, if their men or boys have the idea of doing it. Helen said:
and there is nothing remotely unusual about what Helen says. Nothing remotely unusual for wives or moms to give their blessing if their men or boys think of doing it.
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