Poll: Do we worship the God of the old covenant?

[St. SteVen]

Remind me someday when we get to heaven to ask God when He chose his own names.
Was the name Jesus just an afterthought? or had he had that name picked out from the beginning?

Fantastic post. I love your questions.
There will be a lot to learn in the afterlife.

I wanted to respond to the quoted bit above.
The name Jesus is actually an English translation of a Greek word. (Iésous)
His name was actually Y'shua (Yeshua), which should have translated in English as Joshua. IMHO

The NT Greek lexicon don't seem to support this conclusion. Not sure... ???
(It recognizes Iésous, but not Y'shua, or Yeshua) ???

One of our readers probably knows why this is. SEND HELP. Thanks.

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[Lambano]

I wanted to respond to the quoted bit above.
The name Jesus is actually an English translation of a Greek word. (Iésous)
His name was actually Y'shua (Yeshua), which should have translated in English as Joshua. IMHO

The NT Greek lexicon don't seem to support this conclusion. Not sure... ???
(It recognizes Iésous, but not Y'shua, or Yeshua) ???

One of our readers probably knows why this is. SEND HELP. Thanks.

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The Septuagint translation of the Old Testament also translates יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehosua", "Yeshua" or in English, "Joshua", meaning "YHWH saves") as Ἰησοῦς ("Iesous", or "Jesus"). See the the Book of Joshua in Blue Letter Bible and look at both the Hebrew and LXX translations. I guess the NT writers followed the LXX convention, and "Y'shua" got translated to "Iesous" which became "Jesus" in English, possibly with a brief layover in German ("Jesu", pronounced "Yay-su") to change the yodh sound to a "J".

So, I pretty much agree that "Jesus" could've been transliterated into English better (as could've "Joshua" for that matter), but the English convention is pretty well established now. Maybe we should go for the Spanish pronounciation, "Hay-zus"?

Now, what I want to know is, how in the hell did the English translators get "James" out of Ἰάκωβος ("Iakobos" or "Jacob")?

 

[St. SteVen]

Actually He was given the Fathers Name according to John 17.

Not sure what that means. Was the Father's name Jesus?

The NT Greek uses Ἰησοῦν/Iésous. = Jesus in English.
Most claim it was Y'shua/Yeshua. = Joshua in English.
What a mess.



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[St. SteVen]

Now, what I want to know is, how in the hell did the English translators get "James" out of Ἰάκωβος ("Iakobos" or "Jacob")?

LOL
We put WAY too much trust in the translators of the Bible. It's a mess. But... still has GREAT value.
Kind of like us. - LOL

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[Spyder]

I think that's backwards.
The word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Where did the word come from? It came from God.

If we look honestly, God "spoke" this world into the one we read about in Genesis. Logos was not a person; it was God creating through his words. I think we miss the times where Yeshua said that everything He spoke was given to Him by His Father. That is HOW Yeshua became the Word.

The word was always with God and in God until he breathed the word into a body he had created for himself to reside in.
The only thing that separates God and Jesus was the flesh body he resided in.
When the power of the flesh was destroyed the spirit returned to God who gave it.
And the body needed a name. And God gave the name Jesus. By which every knee shall bow.
It is His name.
Jehovah is the name God gave under the first covenant. That covenant ended and with it the name that was given to it.
Jesus is the name God gave to the New covenant. This covenant is held together by the power of his name Jesus.
God gave himself a new name.

Nothing says that Yahweh ceased to be Yahweh. Yeshua (Jesus) spoke of His Father many times. We was not referring to Himself.

It doesn't mean Jehovah isn't God. But the power that was in Jehovah's name has been transfered to the new covanant by a new name.
The Title of the covenants are the power of the names given them.
The old covenant has no power, no authority any more.
Only those who remain under the old covenant still abide by the name Jehovah.
Those under the new covenant adopt the new Title God himself put upon it, and that is the name Jesus.

All of this is man's construction but not documented in Scripture.

It's still the same God, he just gave himself a new name.
Just like he told Israel a new name when He said his name was Jehovah.

I think we are stretching here.

Exo 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

This simply says that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob simply called Him I Am who Suffices. They did not know that He had a different name: Yahweh.

God Almighty, Jehovah, and Jesus is the same God.
Just different names.

Clearly Yahweh spoke of Yeshua and Yeshua spoke of Yahweh. They are not the same.

Psa 124:8
Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.

Use of Lord is a man-created thing. Scripture refers to Yahweh; not Lord.

Eph 3:14
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Yes, the Father (Yahweh) of the master Yeshua. Definitely not the same person.

Eph 3:15
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Yes, the subject of this passage is Yahweh; not Yeshua.

Eph 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Yes, the subject of this passage is Yahweh; not Yeshua.

Eph 3:17
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Jesus told us to love Him leads to loving his Father.

What is the difference between the Love of Christ and the Love of God?

Seriously? Everyone who loves Jesus loves also His Father.

Rom 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:39
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Love of God is IN Christ Jesus our Lord.
God gave us His Word.

God gave us himself.

You can call God, God Almighty like Abraham did. You can call God Jehovah like Israel did.
But God gave the name Jesus to the world.
For God so loved the world...
That whosoever believeth in him shall be saved.

Who is him but God himself? And His name is Jesus.

Problem is when people hear the name Jesus they see a man. They idolize the image of a man.
They see a body crucified and buried.
But the Spirit that is Jesus is risen because death could not hold him.
Death has no power over God.

Death has power over your carnal body but not your spirit. If so be that the spirit of Christ dwells in you.

That is, God in you.

Jhn 5:42
But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

What is the difference between the love of Christ and the love of God?

I don't see a difference.
Hugs

Everyone who loves Christ Jesus also loves His Father. No passage in scripture ever says that Yahweh and Yeshua are the same person. Every passage acknowledges them separately.

I understand the innate desire to believe everything your friends accept. Being different is difficult to most people.

 

[Lambano]

LOL
We put WAY too much trust in the translators of the Bible. It's a mess.

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I was thinking that the King James translators were trying to suck up to their patron by translating all the saints named "Iakobos" in the NT to "James". However, I'm sure that particular convention had already been established in the English speaking world by then.

 

[Lambano]

Not sure what that means. Was the Father's name Jesus?

"Yah-shua" (Jesus) comes from the Hebrew "YHWW saves".

 

[St. SteVen]

I was thinking that the King James translators were trying to suck up to their patron by translating all the saints named "Iakobos" in the NT to "James". However, I'm sure that particular convention had already been established in the English speaking world by then.

Perhaps it was early December and they REALLY needed that Christmas bonus. - LOL

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[Spyder]

"Yah-shua" (Jesus) comes from the Hebrew "YHWW saves".

Yes, Yahweh saves us, and His Son was the sacrifice.

 

[Ziggy]

I understand the innate desire to believe everything your friends accept. Being different is difficult to most people.

That's interesting because I don't believe things people say, I believe what God says in his word.
And I read what is written and take from it what it gives me.
I may not be a scholar in other languages, and if God wanted me to be I probably would be. That seems to be your calling and that's great.
No, what I hear is God poured himself into a vessel that he created for himself to reside in and walk among us.
But because people are carnally minded they only see the vessel and not the spirit within the carnal body.
And so Jesus always refered to the Father as Spirit because we couldn't see through the flesh.
Apparently neither could Satan.
I suppose there will come a day when all of our questions are answered without any doubts.
In the meantime be content in what you believe and I will be content in what I believe.
Maybe we're both right.
LOL
2Co 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

2Co 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What does God was in Christ mean to you?

Hugs

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hopefully you understand that we can only view Jesus as from the beginning retrospectively.
He was not ACTUALLY "Jesus" until the Word/Logos became flesh. Prior to that he was STILL the Logos of God. (which was God)

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Heb 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

 

[MatthewG]

Heb 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Yes, by speaking his WORD.

Genesis 1:3-5

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not sure what that means. Was the Father's name Jesus?

The NT Greek uses Ἰησοῦν/Iésous. = Jesus in English.
Most claim it was Y'shua/Yeshua. = Joshua in English.
What a mess.

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From John 17...

11 "I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me...

12 "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name, which You have given Me...

Authority is in the Name of Jesus - the name above every name in heaven and on earth.

The Name of the Father was given to the Son - the supreme name - the only Name through which one must be saved.

Jesus means God saves. In the Hebrew Yehoshua - commonly pronounced Yeshua

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, by speaking his WORD.

Genesis 1:3-5

The subject of the sentence is the Son.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, by speaking his WORD.

Genesis 1:3-5

The subject of the sentence is the Son.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yeah, but there are other revelations to connect beside just one scripture to make a whole picture fuller. Would you agree to that?
At the end of the day it's all about faith. Thought it would be good to just ask you.

A full reading of scripture is critical for a balanced shot in understanding.

Scripture at the end of the day is only truely understood by His Grace and not logic.

There is mystery in the Truth that can only be caught rather than taught and this does not come easy.

I have been asked to wait 40 years before sharing what I have learned - there are no short cuts to understanding because it is a devotional learning.

I make it clear that I have no right to understand anything - being rescued from a shipwrecked life.

 

[MatthewG]

A full reading of scripture is critical for a balanced shot in understanding.

Scripture at the end of the day is only truely understood by His Grace and not logic.

There is mystery in the Truth that can only be caught rather than taught and this does not come easy.

I have been asked to wait 40 years before sharing what I have learned - there are no short cuts to understanding because it is a devotional learning.

I make it clear that I have no right to understand anything - being rescued from a shipwrecked life.

Im no sure if I would say it's by his grace, or it's understood by the holy spirit friend. Would you say the holy spirit is needful in seeking for truth? Even in my own life I haven't done enough to merit salvation, that is why I'm thankful for the Lord Jesus Christ and what he has done not just for me personally, but the whole world. It's was a loving choice Yahavah, had done to send his Word, made flesh.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Okay, Carl. Who was the Son, before coming to flesh? The Logos?
If you don't want to answer it's fine. It wont matter at the end of life. It's the life sown in faith and lived.


When it comes to the topic, we worship the same God, that Jesus worshiped. Yahavah, whom has allowed the son to sit on the throne with him, since victory over all things, however is still subject to his Father.

The terms Father Son and Holy Spirit are limited approximations to the reality and extent of who they are and how they operate together.

As they have always existed outside of time our human minds fail to comprehend the extent of their Glory and Majesty.

The Scripture gives us enough to be assured of salvation and pass the message to others who are called.

Our salvation is by faith not knowledge.

I have no doubt Jesus is the Word of God as Paul wrote. Always was and always will be. In His Name alone we must be saved.

Being saved means being indwelled with unquenchable life in the Name of Jesus that defies death and assures our resurrection as He was raised.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Im no sure if I would say it's by his grace, or it's understood by the holy spirit friend. Would you say the holy spirit is needful in seeking for truth? Even in my own life I haven't done enough to merit salvation, that is why I'm thankful for the Lord Jesus Christ and what he has done not just for me personally, but the whole world. It's was a loving choice Yahavah, had done to send his Word, made flesh.

Yes it is by Grace and without the gift of the Holy Spirit - Truth is out of reach.

Salvation is not something that can be earned - the work was done by Jesus on the Cross - our trust in His Work and His Name is what saves us if we are willing to yield all to Him completely.

I did this when I was 13 and His eternal life has been living in me since. Without Him I would have been long dead.

Today is the day of salvation - full surrender to Him is not as common as you might think. Give your whole life to Him and let Him take the wheel. There is no other way.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes it is by Grace and without the gift of the Holy Spirit - Truth is out of reach.

Salvation is not something that can be earned - the work was done by Jesus on the Cross - our trust in His Work and His Name is what saves us if we are willing to yield all to Him completely.

I did this when I was 13 and His eternal life has been living in me since. Without Him I would have been long dead.

Today is the day of salvation - full surrender to Him is not as common as you might think. Give your whole life to Him and let Him take the wheel. There is no other way.

It wasn't until 26 that my search began. The Gospel of Christ, is the power of Yahavah unto salvation, deliverance from a formerly once lived life in faithlessness.

Blessing bro. Carl.