Pilate asked What is truth? Yet the truth was standing right in front of him.

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John 18:38
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. KJV
John 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV
John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.
KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV

Find Truth and Freedom from a life of sinful behavior through the LIVING WORD that saves those who love it/him.

An unrepentant sinner can not save himself nor can he obey the Spirit of truth... But one who seeks to be made whole and desires to walk in the newness of life with Christ need only to believe and receive the Word of truth to indwell them and it is the Father who works in them to prune away all the unsightly weeds and branches to make the tree grow tall, straight and Upright in a godly way.
Mark 8:24
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
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Rocky Wiley

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Good and interesting question. Your response is also good.

Truth is simply the Word of God as it is written. If one changes 'this' to 'that' it is no longer truth. It happens all the time. I even had a prophecy teacher tell me that when Jesus said 'this generation' he meant 'that generation'. By doing so, he changes the whole meaning and makes scripture to be in error.
 

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I believe more important than Pilate's response are the words of Jesus Christ, Everyone that is of the truth heareth my voice. John 18:37. Those who reject even in the least degree the truths of Jesus Christ are not of the truth.
 

Asyncritus

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Pilate is an extraordinary case.

I've counted at least 9 occasions when he tries to get Jesus exonerated, and the case dropped.

He is, strangely enough, Jesus' advocate in this trial, and quotes scripture once in a most pointed way, and declares his own (Pilate's) innocence in a most remarkable fashion:

He 'washes his hands in from of the multitude. Did you know that this was a scriptural proceeding, in accordance with the Law of Moses? Here:

Deut 21.3 And it shall be, that the city which is next unto the slain man, even the elders of that city shall take an heifer, which hath not been wrought with, and which hath not drawn in the yoke;
4 And the elders of that city shall bring down the heifer unto a rough valley, which is neither eared nor sown, and shall strike off the heifer’s neck there in the valley:
5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:
6 And all the elders of that city, that are next unto the slain man, shall wash their hands over the heifer that is beheaded in the valley:
7 And they shall answer and say, Our hands have not shed this blood, neither have our eyes seen it.
8 Be merciful, O LORD, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood

[Mt 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.]

unto thy people of Israel’s charge. And the blood shall be forgiven them.

Which is a most extraordinary thing. Have a look at Zech 6.6 and see if you recognise the words 'Behold the man', then notice the context in Zech, and you will be amazed that this heathen man could make such a reference.

There's a great deal more, not least the fact that he permitted Jesus' body to be given a decent burial, and not be burnt in the valley of Gehenna, with the vultures pecking His eyes out and tearing the body to pieces.

I believe that when Caesar heard about this (and he was bound to do so), he summoned Pilate to Rome and gave him his marching orders, for aiding, abetting and supporting this treasonous man, who said they shouldn't pay taxes to Caesar, and declared Himself to be a King.

Pilate was no fool, and knew that in permitting Joseph of Arimathea to have and bury the body, he was ending his career.

Yet, he did it.

Doesn't that change your opinion of the man?
 

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Anna Maria said:
I believe more important than Pilate's response are the words of Jesus Christ, Everyone that is of the truth heareth my voice. John 18:37. Those who reject even in the least degree the truths of Jesus Christ are not of the truth.
Who is the Voice of God? Isn't it His Word and isn't Jesus called THE WORD? My sheep hear my Voice/Word and a stranger's voice/word they will not listen to.
Hear means obey.. for many can hear the Word of God but can not do what it says... it goes in one natural ear and out the other. But for those who have spiritual ears, they will listen and understand and be helped by the Spirit to obey!

Rocky Wiley said:
Good and interesting question. Your response is also good.

Truth is simply the Word of God as it is written. If one changes 'this' to 'that' it is no longer truth. It happens all the time. I even had a prophecy teacher tell me that when Jesus said 'this generation' he meant 'that generation'. By doing so, he changes the whole meaning and makes scripture to be in error.
All glory to God : )

Asyncritus said:
Pilate is an extraordinary case.

I've counted at least 9 occasions when he tries to get Jesus exonerated, and the case dropped.

He is, strangely enough, Jesus' advocate in this trial, and quotes scripture once in a most pointed way, and declares his own (Pilate's) innocence in a most remarkable fashion:

He 'washes his hands in from of the multitude. Did you know that this was a scriptural proceeding, in accordance with the Law of Moses? Here:

Deut 21.3 And it shall be, that the city which is next unto the slain man, even the elders of that city shall take an heifer, which hath not been wrought with, and which hath not drawn in the yoke;
4 And the elders of that city shall bring down the heifer unto a rough valley, which is neither eared nor sown, and shall strike off the heifer’s neck there in the valley:
5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:
6 And all the elders of that city, that are next unto the slain man, shall wash their hands over the heifer that is beheaded in the valley:
7 And they shall answer and say, Our hands have not shed this blood, neither have our eyes seen it.
8 Be merciful, O LORD, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood

[Mt 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.]

unto thy people of Israel’s charge. And the blood shall be forgiven them.

Which is a most extraordinary thing. Have a look at Zech 6.6 and see if you recognise the words 'Behold the man', then notice the context in Zech, and you will be amazed that this heathen man could make such a reference.

There's a great deal more, not least the fact that he permitted Jesus' body to be given a decent burial, and not be burnt in the valley of Gehenna, with the vultures pecking His eyes out and tearing the body to pieces.

I believe that when Caesar heard about this (and he was bound to do so), he summoned Pilate to Rome and gave him his marching orders, for aiding, abetting and supporting this treasonous man, who said they shouldn't pay taxes to Caesar, and declared Himself to be a King.

Pilate was no fool, and knew that in permitting Joseph of Arimathea to have and bury the body, he was ending his career.

Yet, he did it.

Doesn't that change your opinion of the man?
I did not mean that Pilate was an evil man in fact he is the one who proclaimed Jesus innocent and perfect as our Passover Lamb as he found no fault in Jesus.
Pilate was in ignorance, not denial or rejection, but he still did not recognize the TRUTH even though the Word was manifest standing right in front of him, but knew something, enough to not completely doubt or seek his death.. And God can work with that!

My OP was pointing out that JESUS is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE for unless we follow him(the way) the Word(Truth) we have no life(Spirit) in us for Jesus is the Word of life and the Spirit is the Spirit of life, the very Breath of life and nobody can come to the Father but by receiving the Son of God.
1 John 1:1-2
1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us:
KJV
Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
KJV
 

Asyncritus

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Let me toss in another point which struck me as very remarkable.

The inscription on the cross JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS was written in 3 languages: Greek, Latin and Hebrew.

Now, everybody knew Greek, so any soldier could have written that.

Latin narrows it down a bit further, so we assume the writer came from Rome. So we have a bilingual Roman soldier.

But Hebrew throws a huge spanner in the works. Who could/would have written that? Certainly the average soldier would not know Hebrew, and none of the Jews there would have written that, quite definitely.

So who then?

I want to suggest that it was Pilate himself who wrote it. In fact, it states that he did:

Joh 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

That, of course could mean that he gave the order to write it: but that Hebrew still poses a problem.

The lettering was correct (or the Jews wouldn't have been able to read it),so this person both knew how to read the language, and how to write it.

So who then?

Why, Pilate, of course, himself.

I imagine that if you were going to apply for the job of Procurator of Judaea, knowledge of Hebrew would have been a huge plus on your CV. So in Rome, Pilate went to a Jewish rabbi or synagogue school, and learned Hebrew. From what text?

Well, isn't it remarkable that he does exactly what the innocent did in Deut. 21? How did he know that? Because he had learned from reading Deuteronomy in his classes.

Furthermore, 'Behold the man' isn't a stupid, pointless remark. He got that from Zechariah 6.12, which is the only other place in the scriptures where those words occur, and just look at the context:

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: [remember, that was one of the charges: that Jesus said he would destroy and build the temple in 3 days!} Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
13 ...and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; [He claimed to be the King of the Jews!} and he shall be a priest upon his throne: [He will be both King AND Priest!] and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

If this is correct, then quoting that passage right at the Jews, who probably knew it by heart anyway, would be shoving it right down their throats! And that must have enraged them even further, beyond the point of madness.

So Pilate very probably wrote that inscription himself. And he KNEW what being the King of the Jews really meant.

And I believe that when the Jews came and asked him for a guard, his words have a very pointed, unstated corollary:

Mt 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can. [And under his breath, he probably said - and a fat lot of good it's going to do you. He'll be out of there like a shot, you dummies. You can't fight against God, as you're trying to do!]

So did Pilate believe in Jesus as the King of the Jews? Did he believe that He would rise from the dead?

I wonder, yes, I wonder!