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James is correct. A man is not justified (SHOWN to be righteous) by faith without works. That is a different argument than Paul's. Paul is making a different argument that a man is justified (MADE to be righteous) by faith apart from the merit of works. See, 'justified' has more than one definition. James is using one definition, while Paul is using another. If Catholics want to insist that James is using the same definition of 'justified' as Paul is using in his argument then they are saying Paul is wrong. Or that Paul is right and James is wrong. Either way, it's saying the Bible is an unreliable, false book. That hits at the very foundation of Catholic beliefs. It destroys one of the three legs they say their religion is built steadily and reliably upon. And they don't even realize it.

faith and works

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
 

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Huh? It does not what?

Paul condemns works alone

Not faith and works in grace thru christ
Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
 

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Purposely living in sin means purposely, flagrantly, and willingly sinning in a lifestyle of unrepentant, determined sin. This is in contrast to the believer who struggles with sin. There is a clear distinction between the two. Don't you remember what it was like sinning before you were saved versus after you were saved? Before salvation your mindset was that of striving to serve the desires of the flesh. And doing right was the irritating, invasive distraction in your life. After salvation your mindset is that of striving to serve the things of the Spirit with sin now being the irritating distraction. Ultimately, the truly born again person can't live in sin because he has a new mindset—a mindset of the things of the Spirit—because the Spirit lives in them.

"You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you." Romans 8:9

All day long, I see comments of people saying, they are born again AND still sin.

So, do you think men sin again men ?
Wondering your POV, because I also see people accusing people of SINNING.
 

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All day long, I see comments of people saying, they are born again AND still sin.

So, do you think men sin again men ?
Wondering your POV, because I also see people accusing people of SINNING.

they can’t repent!

“Faith alone” has no room for repentance!!!
 

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THIS is an EXAMPLE of YOUR NONSENSE...
You end a QUESTION with a PERIOD.
You end a STATEMENT with a QUESTION MARk.

If you can not UNDERSTAND earthly things...
Why do you suppose YOU can UNDESTAND heavenly things?

If you are requesting Scripture regarding Fear of the Lord being Reverence unto the Lord...
ASK.
No Scripture? I didn't think so.
 

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For example: be specific

mary is the mother of God?
Mary birthed Jesus into this world but He already existed. She was still a sinner and needed Jesus to save her from her sins by His Blood sacrifice! There is ZERO Scripture that Mary was sinless. NONE!
 

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Sorry for you, that Faith alone did not work out for you.
Nor anyone else either

condemned in the council by the authority to f Christ thru his apostles

if Anyone says a man is justified by faith alone let him be anathema
 

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Mary birthed Jesus into this world but He already existed. She was still a sinner and needed Jesus to save her from her sins by His Blood sacrifice! There is ZERO Scripture that Mary was sinless. NONE!

gen 3:15
 

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Mary birthed Jesus into this world but He already existed. She was still a sinner and needed Jesus to save her from her sins by His Blood sacrifice! There is ZERO Scripture that Mary was sinless. NONE!

that’s a sin against God who created her free from sin! It scripture too
Bound on earth bound in heaven matt 16:18
 

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Why don't you quote the Scripture for all to see that you have ZERO proof?

enmity total war
None of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity


Mary is our spiritual mother


Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Consecrated to God in immaculate purity
The gold of divine love!
 

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enmity total war
None of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun
Immaculate purity


Mary is our spiritual mother


Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Consecrated to God in immaculate purity
The gold of divine love!
I think you copied and pasted that before which proves NOTHING.
 

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Nor anyone else either

condemned in the council by the authority to f Christ thru his apostles

if Anyone says a man is justified by faith alone let him be anathema

A saved man IS JUSTIFIED...duh!

A saved man IS SAVED BY FAITH...

Luke 7:
40] ...Jesus ...said ...
50] ...Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.