OSAS Believers Never Preach Righteousness

[robert derrick]

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.

I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God.

Not without also including sinning along with it, or couching their sinning as the body only.

In fact, when anyone does preach righteousness of God, without including sinning, then the OSAS believer is quick to condemn for doing so.

And indeed, the ones most condemned by OSAS believers are those who do preach doing the righteousness of God, as being self-righteous, boastful, and perfection-claiming deniers of the cross.

They therefore vehemently demand repentance of doing righteousness at all times, so that the offending preacher of righteousness must immediately confess to being a sinner just like everyone else on the planet, including OSAS believers foremost.

And if the braggart refuses to join them in their self-emasculation party of boasting how unrighteous they are, then of course the OSAS humility warrior is always glad to do it for them.

"We are all sinners, including you!"

To prove this untrue, then there must be quotes provided before this post, where they even speak of doing the righteousness of God, but also do not qualify it with the usual humble claims of still sinning.

No editing.

 

[robert derrick]

If anyone wants to claim to believe OSAS, and also preaches righteousness, then simply let them do so.

They don't even need provide evidence of doing so in the past.

This thread is to counter the OSAS demand of having every Christian on earth confess to still being unrighteous ongoing sinners.

I demand all OSAS believers to simply preach the good news of God's righteousness in Jesus Christ, and simply say that them born and saved of God, are to be doers of His righteousness, even as He is righteous.

No added qualifiers allowed.

 

[Charlie24]

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.

I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God.

Not without also including sinning along with it, or couching their sinning as the body only.

In fact, when anyone does preach righteousness of God, without including sinning, then the OSAS believer is quick to condemn for doing so.

And indeed, the ones most condemned by OSAS believers are those who do preach doing the righteousness of God, as being self-righteous, boastful, and perfection-claiming deniers of the cross.

They therefore vehemently demand repentance of doing righteousness at all times, so that the offending preacher of righteousness must immediately confess to being a sinner just like everyone else on the planet, including OSAS believers foremost.

And if the braggart refuses to join them in their self-emasculation party of boasting how unrighteous they are, then of course the OSAS humility warrior is always glad to do it for them.

"We are all sinners, including you!"

To prove this untrue, then there must be quotes provided before this post, where they even speak of doing the righteousness of God, but also do not qualify it with the usual humble claims of still sinning.

No editing.

The OSAS crowd you're preaching to are the apostates. It doesn't bother them at all that sin is what nailed Christ to that Cross.

But there is another version of the OSAS crowd that you will not admit exists. They are sin conscious, they hate sin.

They know that the righteousness they have is not their own, but a free gift from God through faith in Christ.

They know they are sinners in reality, but through faith in Christ the position they hold with Him is a joint heir of all that God has.

The difference between them and you is that they will admit they are not perfect and have no righteousness of their own.

They know they will fall short, that's why God gives us His righteousness through faith, a position we don't deserve.

The real problem is that of one who claims he can't sin, or has stopped sinning. He is a liar and the truth is not in him!

I'm not a OSAS believer! But I know many of them in my Baptist circle, and there is no difference in how we feel about sin.

So my friend, you are preaching to the apostates, not the sinner saved by Grace who admits he doesn't deserve Grace.

 

[Bob Estey]

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.

I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God.

Not without also including sinning along with it, or couching their sinning as the body only.

In fact, when anyone does preach righteousness of God, without including sinning, then the OSAS believer is quick to condemn for doing so.

And indeed, the ones most condemned by OSAS believers are those who do preach doing the righteousness of God, as being self-righteous, boastful, and perfection-claiming deniers of the cross.

They therefore vehemently demand repentance of doing righteousness at all times, so that the offending preacher of righteousness must immediately confess to being a sinner just like everyone else on the planet, including OSAS believers foremost.

And if the braggart refuses to join them in their self-emasculation party of boasting how unrighteous they are, then of course the OSAS humility warrior is always glad to do it for them.

"We are all sinners, including you!"

To prove this untrue, then there must be quotes provided before this post, where they even speak of doing the righteousness of God, but also do not qualify it with the usual humble claims of still sinning.

No editing.

That's what bothers me about OSAS - some seem to think there are no serious consequences for engaging in sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The OSAS crowd you're preaching to are the apostates. It doesn't bother them at all that sin is what nailed Christ to that Cross.

But there is another version of the OSAS crowd that you will not admit exists. They are sin conscious, they hate sin.

They know that the righteousness they have is not their own, but a free gift from God through faith in Christ.

They know they are sinners in reality, but through faith in Christ the position they hold with Him is a joint heir of all that God has.

The difference between them and you is that they will admit they are not perfect and have no righteousness of their own.

They know they will fall short, that's why God gives us His righteousness through faith, a position we don't deserve.

The real problem is that of one who claims he can't sin, or has stopped sinning. He is a liar and the truth is not in him!

I'm not a OSAS believer! But I know many of them in my Baptist circle, and there is no difference in how we feel about sin.

So my friend, you are preaching to the apostates, not the sinner saved by Grace who admits he doesn't deserve Grace.

But even your crowd sings the same song and dance in that one can sin and still be saved on some level. For your camp believes 1 John 1:8 is a banner flag that we must always be in some kind of sin this side of Heaven.

 

[Charlie24]

But even your crowd sings the same song and dance in that one can sin and still be saved on some level. For your camp believes 1 John 1:8 is a banner flag that we must always be in some kind of sin this side of Heaven.

NO, that's no correct, BH. It's possible, very possible to live this life without practicing any known sin in your life.

That should be the goal of any born-again believer! I call it being in the center of God's will.

How can one discuss this subject with someone who believes works are mandatory for salvation?

It's not a discussion, it's an argument in the negative sense. The main reason being that you have a preconceived notion and no explanation coming from the other side is valid. It's ridiculous! You lump everyone into one pile and that's it, they are who you say they are.

I don't know about you, but I am not perfect, which means I make mistakes. There are times when I look back at yesterday, or the day before and realize what I did was not the standard I've set for myself, I have to go to the Lord and repent of that thing whatever it may be. A true believer has a conscience, a God-given conscience that convicts when we have grieved the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

NO, that's no correct, BH. It's possible, very possible to live this life without practicing any known sin in your life.

That should be the goal of any born-again believer! I call it being in the center of God's will.

How can one discuss this subject with someone who believes works are mandatory for salvation?

It's not a discussion, it's an argument in the negative sense. The main reason being that you have a preconceived notion and no explanation coming from the other side is valid. It's ridiculous! You lump everyone into one pile and that's it, they are who you say they are.

I don't know about you, but I am not perfect, which means I make mistakes. There are times when I look back at yesterday, or the day before and realize what I did was not the standard I've set for myself, I have to go to the Lord and repent of that thing whatever it may be. A true believer has a conscience, a God-given conscience that convicts when we have grieved the Holy Spirit.

Sadly unless they humble themselves they will never experience that

To them we are gentiles. And there is no clean gentile. We are all sinners and condemned to hell.

I am seriously wondering how RD is allowed to continue his hate rants against people who he does not even know. Nor does he want to know. He wants to remain blind to what they believe. Instead of getting alongside and trying to help the licentious crowd. He wants to bash and attack anyone who does not agree with him

I saw this thread yesterday and was hoping no one would respond to him. Sadly I think it is time to stop feeding them. And let then continue in their hate. If anything. Pouring coals on their heads by showing them love? Sadly I am not sure I even know how to do that. What these people need is God.. not us bashing them back.

 

[robert derrick]

Thank you for the effort, friend, but unfortunately you prove the challenge of the thread is correct, by doing exactly what all OSAS teachers do:

They know that the righteousness they have is not their own, but a free gift from God through faith in Christ.

They know they are sinners in reality, but through faith in Christ the position they hold with Him is a joint heir of all that God has.

They know they will fall short, that's why God gives us His righteousness through faith, a position we don't deserve.

That's one point confirmed:

"I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God. Not without also including sinning along with it."

The difference between them and you is that they will admit they are not perfect and have no righteousness of their own.

That's another point confirmed:

"In fact, when anyone does preach righteousness of God, without including sinning, then the OSAS believer is quick to condemn for doing so.

And indeed, the ones most condemned by OSAS believers are those who do preach doing the righteousness of God, as being self-righteous, boastful, and perfection-claiming deniers of the cross."

The real problem is that of one who claims he can't sin, or has stopped sinning. He is a liar and the truth is not in him!

And then you go on to more usual OSAS accusations of 'saying I have no sin', as well as against John who declares we can't be sinning with the devil, and also be a born son of God.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

As well as accusing Jesus of giving a commandment that is impossible to keep, which is to go and sin no more and stop it today.

Having a thought for sin put in mind by the devil is not sinning. Receiving that thought to become corrupting lust within the heart is sinning with the devil:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Sinners preach perfectionism of the mind, as a means to justify their lusting for sin with the heart.

I'm not a OSAS believer! But I know many of them in my Baptist circle, and there is no difference in how we feel about sin.

Yes, you are, and have proven it by preaching and accusing just as they do.

When you start preaching righteousness and stop there, without allowing for sinning of the devil, and cease to accuse the righteous of being self-righteous claimers of perfection, then you will no more be preaching OSAS righteousness of God, while sinning for the devil.

But, of course then you would need obey it, and stop sinning for the devil today, which is the righteousness of Jesus, not perfectionism of the resurrection.

So my friend, you are preaching to the apostates, not the sinner saved by Grace who admits he doesn't deserve Grace.

I never said anything about apostates, but only about unrighteous christian sinners such as yourself, preaching being unrighteous christian sinners saved by grace.

Or, are you saying you are not an unrighteous christian sinner, but some other kind of christian sinner?

 

[robert derrick]

That's what bothers me about OSAS - some seem to think there are no serious consequences for engaging in sin.

Certainly not death of the soul:

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The worst part about their self-righteous smugness of ungodly grace, is that the other souls sinning do still die, just not their own.

They really think they themselves are so special, that God simply must take them to heaven, sin and all.

 

[Charlie24]

Thank you for the effort, friend, but unfortunately you prove the challenge of the thread is correct, by doing exactly what all OSAS teachers do:



That's one point confirmed:

"I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God. Not without also including sinning along with it."



That's another point confirmed:

"In fact, when anyone does preach righteousness of God, without including sinning, then the OSAS believer is quick to condemn for doing so.

And indeed, the ones most condemned by OSAS believers are those who do preach doing the righteousness of God, as being self-righteous, boastful, and perfection-claiming deniers of the cross."



And then you go on to more usual OSAS accusations of 'saying I have no sin', as well as against John who declares we can't be sinning with the devil, and also be a born son of God.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

As well as accusing Jesus of giving a commandment that is impossible to keep, which is to go and sin no more and stop it today.

Having a thought for sin put in mind by the devil is not sinning. Receiving that thought to become corrupting lust within the heart is sinning with the devil:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Sinners preach perfectionism of the mind, as a means to justify their lusting for sin with the heart.



Yes, you are, and have proven it by preaching and accusing just as they do.

When you start preaching righteousness and stop there, without allowing for sinning of the devil, and cease to accuse the righteous of being self-righteous claimers of perfection, then you will no more be preaching OSAS righteousness of God, while sinning for the devil.

But, of course then you would need obey it, and stop sinning for the devil today, which is the righteousness of Jesus, not perfectionism of the resurrection.



I never said anything about apostates, but only about unrighteous christian sinners such as yourself, preaching being unrighteous christian sinners saved by grace.

Or, are you saying you are not an unrighteous christian sinner, but some other kind of christian sinner?

Doesn't matter what you think of me, rd!

But I would like to point out one of your errors concerning scripture.

John also said, that whosoever says he has no sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That would be you, rd!

Knowing that John has said that, we should realize that when he says we cannot sin, he is referring to "practicing sin."

That is sin that we know we have and continue to do it without doing anything about it, in other words, we are happy in that sin.

You should know that, rd! If fact there is no excuse not to know it. You know you sin from time to time and if you deny that John said you are a liar and the truth is not in you.

How do you expect us to take you serious if think you can stop sinning altogether when even the great apostle Paul admitted that had not? That is hypocrisy, rd.

 

[robert derrick]

I am seriously wondering how RD is allowed to continue his hate rants against people who he does not even know.

The problem is taking things personally, which I don't. So long as we speak against the doctrine, then there is no personal attack.

Nor does he want to know. He wants to remain blind to what they believe.

I've learned it all here from reading it. It's impossible to stay on this sight and not know exactly what you believe, because you plaster it all over the place, every time to write.

What you don't like, is having all your plaster exposed for what it really is, and stripped of all the celebratory grace fluff and fair self-preening words that corrupt Scripture of truth.

I have never learned so much truth of Scripture in my life, until I started having to rebuke the lies of OSAS, the created christ, and sabbath commanders. And in fact, I have never known the righteousness and peace of God with a pure heart and clean mind as now, until I started preaching it here against the lies, and the Lord admonished me to not just preach it, but to do it.

So, the devil intends his lies for the evil, but they work here for the good of the righteous of heart:

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

When OSAS stops preaching righteousness of God by grace, while sinning with the devil, I'll stop rebuking it.

And in fact, you no doubt notice that I no longer go your OSAS threads and bother invading your grace celebrations, with preaching of righteousness. It is you that can't stay away from me.

I saw this thread yesterday and was hoping no one would respond to him. Sadly I think it is time to stop feeding them.

Like a moth to the flame, you can't stay away, because you know it is right, but hate it.

Just repent of preaching righteousness of Jesus by grace, while still sinning for the devil. Then you'll be fine.

Which of course is the whole point of this thread. You CANNOT do it. It's not possible for you to preach any of the gospel of righteousness, without also adding your usual sinful nature and times of unrighteous sinning with it.

Here's a post for you to copy and past on your own:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

"This is true."

Just copy and past this simple 3 line post on your own. Nothing added. And watch all your fellow OSAS lovers hate you for it, even as they do me. They'll be coming out of the woodwork with knives and pitchforks, demanding that you include something about also sinning. Or they'll just figure you slipped and will add it for you.

I guarantee it. Prove me wrong.

Instead of getting alongside and trying to help the licentious crowd.

Which licentious christian crowd is created by OSAS.

You want to recruit me? Here is some help:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

"This is true."

Pouring coals on their heads by showing them love? Sadly I am not sure I even know how to do that. What these people need is God.. not us bashing them back.

It certainly isn't by telling me I'm still ok in Christ, if I am sinning of the devil, because we aren't perfect, and we are only saved by grace anyway, so don't worry about the sinning stuff and just "Ceeeeeelebrate that grace, C'mon!!!"

What these people need is God.. not us bashing them back.

What people need is the truth of Scripture to love and do for Jesus' sake, not lies to help them also sin with the devil for grace's sake.

The only bashing back I get is against preaching righteousness of Jesus, without also sinning for the devil.

Which this thread proves.

As well as being accused of 'hating' people, which is nothing to me. OSAS uses the hate card like the race card.

 

[robert derrick]

How do you expect us to take you serious if think you can stop sinning altogether when even the great apostle Paul admitted that had not? That is hypocrisy, rd.

I don't care if anyone takes me seriously, so long as I take myself seriously. You however don't take yourself seriously at all.

I show how you confirm the whole point of the thread about you OSAS believers, and you just waltz on by, as though never reading a thing.

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

You refuse to preach righteousness, without also adding sinning for the devil, and you still accuse the righteous of claiming no sin perfectionism.

And so, I'm not going to take anything you say seriously enough to correct it, until you address your own errors.

Either admit you are the OSAS this thread challenges, or go ahead and preach righteousness of Christ by grace, without also sinning for the devil.

And stop accusing them who do His righteousness as He is righteous, as being self-righteous and self-made perfectionists.

Until then your efforts to teach Scripture of John is false, as well as your accusation against Paul.

 

[Charlie24]

I don't care if anyone takes me seriously, so long as I take myself seriously. You however don't take yourself seriously at all.

I show how you confirm the whole point of the thread about you OSAS believers, and you just waltz on by, as though never reading a thing.

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

You refuse to preach righteousness, without also adding sinning for the devil, and you still accuse the righteous of claiming no sin perfectionism.

And so, I'm not going to take anything you say seriously enough to correct it, until you address your own errors.

Either admit you are the OSAS this thread challenges, or go ahead and preach righteousness of Christ by grace, without also sinning for the devil.

And stop accusing them who do His righteousness as He is righteous, as being self-righteous and self-made perfectionists.

Until then your efforts to teach Scripture of John is false, as well as your accusation against Paul.

I'm going to be whatever you say I am regardless. No one can have conversation with you.

It's always negative! No one wants that, rd.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

OSAS Believers Never Preach Righteousness

Totally untrue. I've been in this (as a Born again Christian) for 59 years now, and have been part of churches that believe OSAS (or Perseverance of the saints), and preaching righteousness is absolutely typical among them.

What they DON'T preach is the ABSOLUTE LIE of "Sinless perfection" for folks who are Born again of the Holy Spirit.

I have never seen any OSAS believer simply preach doing the righteousness of God.

Then you don't get around much.

SO if YOU are PERFECTLY SINLESS, then why do YOU STILL SIN???

Fortunately if we SIN, if we CONFESS that sin, we have an advocate. Apparently you never got around to reading THAT part of the Bible (1 John 2).

 

[robert derrick]

I'm going to be whatever you say I am regardless. No one can have conversation with you.

There ceased to be a 'conversation' when you did not take yourself seriously enough to address your own error of confirming the challenge of the thread.

I don't have serious conversations with unserious people. If you want to talk about the weather, fine.

It's always negative! No one wants that, rd.

I.e. You're mean!!

Nice touch.

 

[robert derrick]

Totally untrue. I've been in this (as a Born again Christian) for 59 years now, and have been part of churches that believe OSAS (or Perseverance of the saints), and preaching righteousness is absolutely typical among them.

What they DON'T preach is the ABSOLUTE LIE of "Sinless perfection" for folks who are Born again of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 2).

You prove the first two points perfectly.

You don't preach righteousness of Christ, without adding sinning to it.

While also accusing preachers of His righteousness without also sinning of the devil, as preachers of 'sinless perfectionism'.

The OSAS false law of perfectionism is the ready-made excuse for being 'imperfect' sinners, to avoid calling themselves what they are: unrighteous sinners of the devil.

There are no perfect nor imperfect sinners, but just unrighteous sinning for the devil. Likewise there are no perfect nor imperfect doers of righteousness, but just doing right without sinning.

Doing the righteousness of Jesus, even as He is righteous, is not perfectionism.

Jesus was not a perfectionist preaching perfectionism, and neither are His preachers of His righteousness, that condemn sin in the flesh as He.

You OSAS call imperfection sin, so that they can then call yourselves 'imperfect' sinners, and not what Jesus calls you, Unrighteous sinners of the devil.

No man while sinning with the devil against God can also be doing the righteousness of God, nor be a born son of God at the same time.

You OSAS say it can be so 'by grace'.

 

[robert derrick]

OSAS never rules out sinning in this life, but they certainly always rule out doing righteousness at all times.

This is why we see that they cannot just preach righteousness of God, without also sinning for the devil.

It's their shibboleth. They just cannot frame to pronounce the doctrine of Christ righteously.

They never preach doing the good without also including some evil mixed in from time to time.

 

[Wynona]

I'm glad to see you still teaching what the Bible actually says about sin and righteousness. One user attacked me and said I wasn't a Christian because I said its possible to go a day without sinning.

That really got to me and Ive avoided OSAS threads since. But Im always encouraged by your posts because they line up with what Im reading in Scripture.

It's hard to teach against sin when people only want hyper grace. I myself used to be unsure whether osas was true or not. But if people would only have an open mind and open Bibles, I think they'd find that you are telling the truth.