OSAS being False Doctrine!

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God’s works?

Don’t change the subject.

What does the “ Living “ word of God mean.?

To you?

Your choice ?

There is no where in scripture that says......you can birth yourself into Christ......not one!

I am not changing the subject.
You brought up the subject of “CHOICE”.
You said God “CHOSE” you.
I inquired if you “Chose” God.
You are deflecting, to Gods “works” rather than answering, IF you chose God.

Can you answer for yourself, IF you chose God?

 

[Ritajanice]

I am not changing the subject.

You are.

You brought up the subject of “CHOICE”.
You said God “CHOSE” you.
I inquired if you “Chose” God.
You are deflecting, to Gods “works” rather than answering, IF you chose God.

Can you answer for yourself, IF you chose God?

I’ve already explained above and members can see what I said....

You cannot choose to become Born Again...

God explains it here....easy to understand is it not?

So what does the “ Living “ word of God mean?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

You can’t see the Spirit of God can you?

But, a Born Again knows his Spirit is Alive!!...all knowing and seeing..we know that right, as Born Again?.....God misses.....” NOTHING “

Hebrews 4:12

New International Version

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12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

John 3​

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English Standard Version​

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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

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◄ John 3:6 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

Do you understand what spiritual life means?

And, how would we know what it means?

 

[TheHC]

What do you think "sealed by the Holy Spirit" means? To me, it means it's a done deal. I am in Christ. He transformed me into a new creature. He knows the future and doesn't change His mind.
What does faith mean to you? To me, it is a certainty of things unseen and hoped for, specifically Christ's promise: THAT IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
How many times did He make that promise? Salvation is by grace through faith and not by works, it is a gift.

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. JOHN 10:28


For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39

This is saying nothing _ not even you _ can separate yourself from the love of God.

Why are YOU NOT persuaded?

And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:25

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:11

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
John 6:47

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:13

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

I guess your faith is weak and questionable, because you don't really know God and believe what He promises.

BTW, concerning Gal. 6:7-8, true Christians do not sow to the flesh, they died to the flesh, it has no power over them. They are led by the SPIRIT, they may backslide at times but as their spiritual maturity grows, they begin to produce fruit. This is all God's doing. He is the AUTHOR of our faith, so the Author does not change His mind. Now seed is thrown on shallow or rocky soil and these people fall away because they never really believed.
ROM. 1:28 is speaking about non-believers, those who do not have faith in God. They know He exists, God has revealed Himslef by the things that have been made and by His invisible attributes, but still they rebel and resist Him. So He lets them go. These are reprobates.

Matthew 24:13; Revelation 2:10;
Hebrews 2:1.

What if you don’t “endure to the end”?

What if you don’t “prove faithful unto death”?

What if we do “drift away”?

We shouldn’t delude ourselves… we have to continue to ‘do what Christ tells us’!
John 15:14, “You are my friends if you do what I command.”

What if we stop? Some did:
2 Timothy 2:17&18, “Hymenaeus and Philetus…have departed from the truth.”

 

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I’ve already explained above and members can see what I said....

You cannot choose to become Born Again...

God explains it here....easy to understand is it not?

So what does the “ Living “ word of God mean?

John 3

English Standard Version

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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Appropriate answer is Yes or No…which you will not answer.

In the secular world…
People draw “People” to them.
* a bank can draw a person to them…
* a ball team can draw a person to them…
* a university can draw persons to them…
* a government can draw persons to them…
On and on.

How one person is “drawn” to anything…is OF the other thing…
* soliciting
* inviting
* offering

The “other” … BEING DRAWN …
Response….is Accepting the solicitation, the inviting, the offering…..AND HEARING what the one DRAWING IS: Offering.

The ONE HEARING the “OFFERING”;
Listens to the one’s OFFERING’S of Benefits, the Expectations, the Requirement….

TO AGREE and ACCEPT the “Offering”.

If a bank solicits you, invites you, offers you A LOAN…
“THEY” CHOSE YOU, they ARE DRAWING you IN to them, to SEE “IF” you WILL “CHOOSE THEM”. If you will ACCEPT and AGREE to “THEIR” Terms.
And “IF” you DO choose “THEM”….they present “their” contract, and YOU give your ORAL word….”YES” you Agree with THEM…
And your “signature” ON their Contract, BINDS you to KEEP your Word of Promise that YOU HAVE CHOSEN to AGREE, to their Contractual Terms, according TO: their Offering.

Near the Beginning, God CHOSE people WHO WERE conducive to Hearing and Agreeing with Him. God Separated “them” from “other men”, that revealed the Division…
in Agreement with God
not in Agreement with God.

How Did they who were IN Agreement with God…MAKE their “CHOICE” known?
Sign a contract with their signature?
No.
By “their own Choice” of opening their mouth, and speaking their own word of freely CHOOSING God, His Way, His Terms per His Offering? Yes.

To the House of Jacob and the Children Israel God made an OFFERING…

EX 19:
[3] And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

And? Who CHOSE God? Who CHOSE to Accept Gods Offering according to Gods terms? And How did they CHOOSE God and accept His Offering?

Ex 19:
[8] And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Moving forward, to a NEW…BETTER TESTAMENT…

ALL men…not ONLY the “people of the House of Jacob and the children of Israel”…
BUT ALL men…

ARE Offered…an opportunity TO Freely Choose, the “Lord God Almighty”, to BE their ONLY God….
And again…HOW does “ANY” individual freely “CHOOSE” the Lord God Almighty, “CHOOSE” to Accept His Offering?

By the INDIVIDUAL’S free will Choosing the Lord God Almighty and individuals true word of Agreement….Yes?

Anything else? A signature? No.
What else could a man possibly give, besides his word, or his signature to MAKE an Agreement with the Lord God, to Accept His Offering?
Read Gods “TERMS” of “HIS Offering”, (the fine print of what you are AGREEING TO)…

You ARE Agreeing:
To CHOOSE the Lord God Almighty ONLY.
To GIVE By your Truthful word, your Consent of Agreement with His Word.
TO…..GIVE your ONLY most highly prized and own personal possession TO the Lord God Almighty…
WHICH IS…..?
You freely, willingly, Giving of Your Bodily LIFE unto DEATH FOR and Unto the Lord God Almighty.

The answer to the question; “does a person CHOOSE the Lord God Almighty”…is YES!

There IS NO agreement established between TWO….
man and man….God and man
WITHOUT each CHOOSING the Other.

ALL-KNOWING God, “already KNOWS”, who will, who will not, CHOOSE Him.
Earthly men from natural birth, through the duration of their natural lives, make their own choices….to hear, learn, choose, reject….
A plethora of options…from who to mingle with or not, where to live or not,, what work to do or not, what to eat or not, what to wear or not, hobbies, games, music, having children, take drugs, on and on…or not.

Choosing ones own God, creator, maker, is also every mans own choosing….from the unseen Heavenly Lord God Almighty….to the moon, sun, stars, rocks, carvings, photos, wealth, money, food, governments, precious metals, gems, people, whatever….be “their” god.

Yes…everyone chooses their own God.
Yes…The Lord God Almighty has Offered “EVERY” person an “offering” and “WAY” to Choose Him.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Them that ARE sanctified…CHOSE the Lord God Almighty.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will “we are sanctified through the offering of the body” of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Them that are sanctified….CHOSE His Offering, (Jesus’ BODY) and CHOSE (according to Gods WAY / Terms )to GIVE the same BACK to God…( Their own Body unto Death ).

 

[Ritajanice]

Appropriate answer is Yes or No…which you will not answer.

I’ve answered it....you have so far...evaded all questions I asked above, in my other posts.....why is God’s Spirit is Alive...hard for you to answer?

The answer is so simple....you also said Born Again has been” accomplished in you”.....by “you” choosing God..to make you Born Again......?....you cannot choose God, to make you Born Again...his word says none of that.

In the secular world…
People draw “People” to them.
* a bank can draw a person to them…
* a ball team can draw a person to them…
* a university can draw persons to them…
* a government can draw persons to them…
On and on.

How one person is “drawn” to anything…is OF the other thing…
* soliciting
* inviting
* offering

The “other” … BEING DRAWN …
Response….is Accepting the solicitation, the inviting, the offering…..AND HEARING what the one DRAWING IS: Offering.

The ONE HEARING the “OFFERING”;
Listens to the one’s OFFERING’S of Benefits, the Expectations, the Requirement….

TO AGREE and ACCEPT the “Offering”.

If a bank solicits you, invites you, offers you A LOAN…
“THEY” CHOSE YOU, they ARE DRAWING you IN to them, to SEE “IF” you WILL “CHOOSE THEM”. If you will ACCEPT and AGREE to “THEIR” Terms.
And “IF” you DO choose “THEM”….they present “their” contract, and YOU give your ORAL word….”YES” you Agree with THEM…
And your “signature” ON their Contract, BINDS you to KEEP your Word of Promise that YOU HAVE CHOSEN to AGREE, to their Contractual Terms, according TO: their Offering.

Near the Beginning, God CHOSE people WHO WERE conducive to Hearing and Agreeing with Him. God Separated “them” from “other men”, that revealed the Division…
in Agreement with God
not in Agreement with God.

How Did they who were IN Agreement with God…MAKE their “CHOICE” known?
Sign a contract with their signature?
No.
By “their own Choice” of opening their mouth, and speaking their own word of freely CHOOSING God, His Way, His Terms per His Offering? Yes.

To the House of Jacob and the Children Israel God made an OFFERING…

EX 19:
[3] And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

And? Who CHOSE God? Who CHOSE to Accept Gods Offering according to Gods terms? And How did they CHOOSE God and accept His Offering?

Ex 19:
[8] And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Moving forward, to a NEW…BETTER TESTAMENT…

ALL men…not ONLY the “people of the House of Jacob and the children of Israel”…
BUT ALL men…

ARE Offered…an opportunity TO Freely Choose, the “Lord God Almighty”, to BE their ONLY God….
And again…HOW does “ANY” individual freely “CHOOSE” the Lord God Almighty, “CHOOSE” to Accept His Offering?

By the INDIVIDUAL’S free will Choosing the Lord God Almighty and individuals true word of Agreement….Yes?

Anything else? A signature? No.
What else could a man possibly give, besides his word, or his signature to MAKE an Agreement with the Lord God, to Accept His Offering?
Read Gods “TERMS” of “HIS Offering”, (the fine print of what you are AGREEING TO)…

You ARE Agreeing:
To CHOOSE the Lord God Almighty ONLY.
To GIVE By your Truthful word, your Consent of Agreement with His Word.
TO…..GIVE your ONLY most highly prized and own personal possession TO the Lord God Almighty…
WHICH IS…..?
You freely, willingly, Giving of Your Bodily LIFE unto DEATH FOR and Unto the Lord God Almighty.

The answer to the question; “does a person CHOOSE the Lord God Almighty”…is YES!

There IS NO agreement established between TWO….
man and man….God and man
WITHOUT each CHOOSING the Other.

ALL-KNOWING God, “already KNOWS”, who will, who will not, CHOOSE Him.
Earthly men from natural birth, through the duration of their natural lives, make their own choices….to hear, learn, choose, reject….
A plethora of options…from who to mingle with or not, where to live or not,, what work to do or not, what to eat or not, what to wear or not, hobbies, games, music, having children, take drugs, on and on…or not.

Choosing ones own God, creator, maker, is also every mans own choosing….from the unseen Heavenly Lord God Almighty….to the moon, sun, stars, rocks, carvings, photos, wealth, money, food, governments, precious metals, gems, people, whatever….be “their” god.

Yes…everyone chooses their own God.
Yes…The Lord God Almighty has Offered “EVERY” person an “offering” and “WAY” to Choose Him.

There is no “ Choice “ in becoming Born of God....that is man made doctrine.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Them that ARE sanctified…CHOSE the Lord God Almighty.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will “we are sanctified through the offering of the body” of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Them that are sanctified….CHOSE His Offering, (Jesus’ BODY) and CHOSE (according to Gods WAY / Terms )to GIVE the same BACK to God…( Their own Body unto Death ).

NO,NO, NO..., and no......that is your “ own” understanding of God’s word....none of what you post is the word of God......God’s word is so easy to understand yet you try and over complicate it?

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.....that’s it....period?

Now , you prove God’s word wrong?

And still you have evaded my question.

God’s Spirit is Alive. How would a Born Again know this?

One knows they are Born Again, by the testifying with our spirit......not what you have posted in your own understanding.

Do you see how easy God’s word is to understand....

My question is...please interpret this scripture?

Also as a non believer that I once was.....why wouldn’t I have understood this scripture below....if I had read it in my fallen state of sin?

You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[JBO]

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Only a Born Again by the Spirit of God..can see the Kingdom.

The phrase "born again by the Spirit of God" is not found anywhere in the Bible. Whatever you think it means, you will not find it in the Bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

And...your point is @JBO ?

You must be Born Again......Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Meaning?...are you understanding scripture below?....if so, why was Nicodemus not understanding....in your own words....not a commentary please?

As a non believer that I was once.....if I had read this scripture....why wouldn’t I have understood it as a non believer?

You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[JBO]

That is incorrect.

It is not incorrect. People, particularly Calvinists, like to use 1 Corinthians 2 to say that the spiritual person, i.e., the elect, have special powers given them to interpret and understand God's word. That is simply wrong. That doctrine has a name; it is called the doctrine of illumination. It is a false doctrine. It is proven false by the fact of the different interpretations and understandings of a given passage of scripture by the very people who claim such special powers.

 

[Ritajanice]

It is not incorrect. People, particularly Calvinists, like to use 1 Corinthians 2 to say that the spiritual person, i.e., the elect, have special powers given them to interpret and understand God's word. That is simply wrong. That doctrine has a name; it is called the doctrine of illumination. It is a false doctrine. It is proven false by the fact of the different interpretations and understandings of a given passage of scripture by the very people who claim such special powers.

God’s word disagrees with you.

1 Corinthians 2:10-12​

1 Corinthians 2:10-12 KJV​

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[JBO]

Romans 12:3 KJV
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

This seems pretty straightforward to me.

Much love!

It only seems pretty straightforward to you because you want to believe that it is faith that is given. You are not alone in that. It is one of the more blatant false teachings concerning Romans 12:3, Ephesians 2:8 and a few others. Saving faith is not a gift given by God. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ" (Rom 10:17).

 

[Ritajanice]

It only seems pretty straightforward to you because you want to believe that it is faith that is given. You are not alone in that. It is one of the more blatant false teachings concerning Romans 12:3, Ephesians 2:8 and a few others. Saving faith is not a gift given by God. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ" (Rom 10:17).

It’s easy to understand , when one is Born of God...for then we have the faith to walk in the Spirit....as we have received the new birth....we have been birthed spiritually by God, via Holy Spirit...into Christ.

Who do you think testifies with our spirit all about Jesus ?

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

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I’ve answered it.

No, no, and no......that is your “ own” understanding of God’s word....God’s word is so easy to understand yet you try and over complicate it?

Yes, yes, yes…..that is Gods WAY that a man must CHOOSE….

You are preaching, God Chose you, you did not ever choose God….and Because God chose you “without you choosing” God….He gives to you a multitude of His Blessing, His Gifts, without you ever having MADE a commitment by you CHOOSING Him.



Amos 3:
[3] Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

You skip over man must choose God, hanging on ONLY Gods chooses.

Deut 30:
[19] I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell…

2 Sam 16:
[18] And Hushai said unto Absalom, Nay; but whom the LORD, and this people, and all the men of Israel, choose, his will I be, and with him will I abide.

Isa 7:
[15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Isa 56:
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Pss 37:
[5] Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Prov 1:
[29] For that they hated knowledge, and not choose the fear of the LORD:

For those WHO CHOOSE / ELECT / the Lord God…they are brethren and beloved.

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

For those WHO MAKE NO CHOICE….

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke.11
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

You are preaching ONLY God chooses, whereas Scripture teaches there is no agreement between God and man, without a man Choosing God.

I say YES God chooses men.
I say YES men chose God.

You say, no, no, no…
Disturbing.

I say YES men who commit to God, are forever with God.


Matt 5:
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, yes, yes…..that is Gods WAY that a man must CHOOSE….

You are preaching, God Chose you, you did not ever choose God….and Because God chose you “without you choosing” God….He gives to you a multitude of His Blessing, His Gifts, without you ever having MADE a commitment by you CHOOSING Him.



Amos 3:
[3] Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

You skip over man must choose God, hanging on ONLY Gods chooses.

Deut 30:
[19] I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell…

2 Sam 16:
[18] And Hushai said unto Absalom, Nay; but whom the LORD, and this people, and all the men of Israel, choose, his will I be, and with him will I abide.

Isa 7:
[15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Isa 56:
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Pss 37:
[5] Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Prov 1:
[29] For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose [/B[ the fear of the LORD:

For those WHO CHOOSE / ELECT / the Lord God…they are brethren and beloved.

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

For those WHO MAKE NO CHOICE….

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke.11
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

You are preaching ONLY God chooses, whereas Scripture teaches there is no agreement between God and man, without a man Choosing God.

I say YES God chooses men.
I say YES men chose God.

You say, no, no, no…
Disturbing.

I say YES men who commit to God, are forever with God.


Matt 5:
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

No,No No....you are teaching manmade doctrine on what it means to be Born Agan.

You have denied the word of God and came up with your own manmade doctrine.

You DO NOT choose God, period......as God word says........you twist God’s word ....when he says.

You must be Born Again.......and still you can’t explain the rebirth,Born of God by the will of God....Baptised in the Spirit........

John 1:13​

New International Version​

13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.


Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Brought from Death to LifeThe Lord told Nicodemus unequivocally, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6). Only the Spirit of the living God can take dry bones, dead in trespasses and rebellion against God, and make them spiritually alive (Ephesians 2:1-5

Becoming Born Again is like the wind as God’s word says.

◄ John 3:8 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Only a Born Again by the Spirit of God..can see the Kingdom.

John 3:3-16 KJVJesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Ezekiel 11:19
Verse Concepts
And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,

Ephesians 3:16
Verse Concepts
that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man,

 

[JBO]

God’s word disagrees with you.

1 Corinthians 2:10-12​

1 Corinthians 2:10-12 KJV​

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

No, God's word does not diisagree with me.

The statement that "God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit" is a statement of divine revelation. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you are not a recipient of divine revelation. That is strictly reserved for a few key persons. You are not one of the "us" in that passage.

Verse 9 says, But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"--

Paul, then gives the source of the revelation of those things. It is divine revelation directly from the Holy Spirit. Paul goes on in verse 13 to say, "we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit" Again, you are not one of the "we" in that passage. As much as you like others to think that you have received divine revelation giving you special knowledge, insight and understanding, that is simply not true. Your only knowledge, insight and understanding comes only through the Bible. Now it is true that the indwelling Holy Spirit will aid you in your study of God's word, but that is it; it comes only through hearing (studying) the word about Christ.

 

[JBO]

It’s easy to understand , when one is Born of God...

Even Peter found some things that Paul wrote in his letters to be hard to understand (2 Peter 3:16). Do you think you are better than Peter when it comes to understanding?

 

[Ritajanice]

No, God's word does not diisagree with me.

The statement that "God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit" is a statement of divine revelation. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you are not a recipient of divine revelation. That is strictly reserved for a few key persons. You are not one of the "us" in that passage.

And I’m pleased to tell you that I am.

As I am Born Again by the Spirit of God...therefore have received divine revelation from the Holy Spirit, when he testifies with our spirit that we are his children..

Therefore your own theology doesn’t stand up to the word of God.

Verse 9 says, But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"--

Paul, then gives the source of the revelation of those things. It is divine revelation directly from the Holy Spirit. Paul goes on in verse 13 to say, "we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit" Again, you are not one of the "we" in that passage. As much as you like others to think that you have received divine revelation giving you special knowledge, insight and understanding, that is simply not true. Your only knowledge, insight and understanding comes only through the Bible. Now it is true that the indwelling Holy Spirit will aid you in your study of God's word, but that is it; it comes only through hearing (studying) the word about Christ.

A Born Again will see the Kingdom of God......

The Holy Spirit is like the wind....no amount to head knowledge will get you into the Kingdom of God.

A Born Again receives divine knowledge from the Holy Spirit.....he is the one who leads us through scripture to understand God’s word.


Perceiving this, Jesus informed him that the knowledge of divine things could not be had through man's normal senses. “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God,” said Jesus. (John 3:3.) Although Nicodemus was wise in the things of the world, he could not understand this simple statement of truth

 

[Ritajanice]

Even Peter found some things that Paul wrote in his letters to be hard to understand (2 Peter 3:16). Do you think you are better than Peter when it comes to understanding?

Born Again is very easy to understand....that is divine knowledge that we receive from God, when he testifies through the Holy Spirit that we are his children....

Spirit gives birth to spirit....yup!!

I find quite a bit of scripture hard to understand.....the Holy Spirit is the revealer to my spirit.

Not your head knowledge.


Perceiving this, Jesus informed him that the knowledge of divine things could not be had through man's normal senses. “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God,” said Jesus. (John 3:3.) Although Nicodemus was wise in the things of the world, he could not understand this simple statement of truth

 

[Taken]

You DO NOT choose God, period.

To not wander off track…
I speak FOR me, you speak FOR you.

Correcting your statement.

You I DO DID NOT choose God, period.

Yes, God Offered me a WAY to Choose Him, His Truth, Life with Him Forever.
Yes, I Chose God AND His Offering.
Yes, I Made a Commitment to God.
Yes, God Chose me.

 

[Ritajanice]

To not wander off track…
I speak FOR me, you speak FOR you.

Correcting your statement.




Yes, God Offered me a WAY to Choose Him, His Truth, Life with Him Forever.
Yes, I Chose God AND His Offering.
Yes, I Made a Commitment to God.
Yes, God Chose me.

You cannot choose to be Born Again....pointless trying to argue with the word of God.

He won’t stand for it as his word says.

This is just one bit of scripture that says this.....much more on Born Again...it’s an act of God as his word says...and not an act of man.

◄ John 3:8 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Matthew 24:13; Revelation 2:10;
Hebrews 2:1.

What if you don’t “endure to the end”?

What if you don’t “prove faithful unto death”?

What if we do “drift away”?

We shouldn’t delude ourselves… we have to continue to ‘do what Christ tells us’!
John 15:14, “You are my friends if you do what I command.”

What if we stop? Some did:
2 Timothy 2:17&18, “Hymenaeus and Philetus…have departed from the truth.”

What if we do not meet Gods standard.

oh thats right. we can’t

Who made the promise to give the gift of eternal life to whoever believes, was it God or was it us?