Once Save Always Saved / Eternal Security is in the Word, i.e in Christ

[Rockerduck]

If you have received the Holy Spirit, you have a seal of promise. Ephesians 1:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. God's word is irrevocable. Romans 11:29.

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JBO]

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Which of course says nothing about whether or not you can choose to no longer continue to believe. One does not lose his free will once he has been saved.

 

[mailmandan]

If you have received the Holy Spirit, you have a seal of promise. Ephesians 1:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. God's word is irrevocable. Romans 11:29.

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[Behold]

Which of course says nothing about whether or not you can choose to no longer continue to believe. One does not lose his free will once he has been saved.

If the person is born again, then God already accepted their Faith.

There is no such thing as "keep believing to be able to stay born again".

Why not?

Because being born again, is a one time spiritual Birth, that happened ONCE,

= This is why its called "BORN again"........not being born again.


A.) "well what happens if you lose your faith AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, because God already Accepted your FAITH" ?


Right.
Just read that a few times.

 

[JBO]

If the person is born again, then God already accepted their Faith.

There is no such thing as "keep believing to be able to stay born again".

Why not?

Because being born again, is a one time spiritual Birth, that happened ONCE,

= This is why its called "BORN again"........not being born again.


A.) "well what happens if you lose your faith AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, because God already Accepted your FAITH" ?


Right.
Just read that a few times.

Nonsense. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith.

What do you mean by "accepted your FAITH"? If you no longer believe in God, by definition you have no faith, there is nothing to "accept". Only those who believe in God will be with Him in heaven.

 

[Behold]

Nonsense. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith.

The Cross of Christ is " Grace", and its our "Faith that is counted by God" so that God applies to the believer the Shed Blood and Death of Christ like this..

A.) "God hath made Jesus to be SIN.....for us"...

"US" is all the Born again, specifically, and its "the world", John 3:16, literally... like this..

2 Corinthians 5:19
John 3:17

AA.) "without the shedding of (Jesus's Blood) there is no forgiveness, no redemption, no remission" "of Sin".

 

[Jack]

OSAS, a very dangerous doctrine.

 

[Ritajanice]

Just so you know I’ve been corrected that spiritual birth isn’t biblical....is it biblical anyone?

I did say I stand corrected and won’t use it again...” spiritual” unless someone quotes Gods word that says spiritual birth..thanks.

It should be Spirit birth....

 

[Behold]

OSAS, a very dangerous doctrine.

THere is no such thing as "OSAS".

This is a man made, created phrase, that was created by a Heretic (group)... who believe that as long as they performed for God, then God would hopefully let them into Heaven, after they died.

Where does this concept of... "working to be saved"..... "working to stay saved".. "working to try not to lose your salvation" that is actually OSAS's Point of View...... where did this all begin. ?????

It began in JUDE and PAUL's day, when religious Jews, who hated Messiah, could not bear the idea that Paul's Gospel, denied their "moses law keeping" .

See, JEWS , religious, believe they are married to Moses's Law., and so, this is why they have a very difficult time turning to Messiah.
Its because they believe, in their Self Religious MIND, that..... "if i trust in Jesus, then im committing adultery against Moses's and His Law".""""

So, when these Jews, heard Paul preach that "Gods grace, the forgiveness of Sin, is the Cross of Christ....so, come, be joined to God, forever by FAITH..ALONE...."...when They heard that Gospel, .... they spit blood from all the teeth gritting self righteous hatred that came from their self righteous heart.

See, the nature of unbelief, as a RELIGION>.....is....."i am saving me.." "i am keeping myself saved".

See that? That is OSAS, trying to deny, The Grace of God. = That is OSAS trying to deny that God's Salvation is a FREE Gift, that you can't earn and can't keep....> Because its all FREE..

And those Jews, in Jude and Paul's day.........said of Paul......."You are preaching LICENSE to sin".. .but they said it like this... "you are telling us to SIN< so that God's Grace will come to us".

See that?
That is how the mind blinded self righteous HEAR, "God Grace".. They hear it as... OSAS = "that is not telling me to earn my salvation as i want to hear...., that is not telling me to keep commandments as i want to HEAR..... and live in repentance and strive by SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS to try to SAVE MYSELF as i want to HEAR"...

INSTEAD.....You are telling me that God's Grace, The Cross of Christ, has made Salvation, Eternal Life, and forgiveness of SIN = all FREE, if i will just BELIEVE".., = and that is actually what OSAS is trying to prove, isn't true.

 

[JBO]

The Cross of Christ is " Grace", and its our "Faith that is counted by God" so that God applies to the believer the Shed Blood and Death of Christ like this..

A.) "God hath made Jesus to be SIN.....for us"...

"US" is all the Born again, specifically, and its "the world", John 3:16, literally... like this..

2 Corinthians 5:19
John 3:17

AA.) "without the shedding of (Jesus's Blood) there is no forgiveness, no redemption, no remission" "of Sin".

Theologically, in relation to salvation, the term “grace” has three basic connotations. It can refer to the gift of salvation, that which is given; it can refer to the system of salvation, the manner in which the gift is received; or it can refer to that attribute in God’s nature that makes it all possible.

In Ephesians 2:8 it is the third connotation, that attribute in God's nature that makes the gift of salvation possible, that is in view. It is God's willingness and desire to forgive and accept the sinner in spite of his sin, to give the sinner the very opposite of what he deserves. That grace is not applied arbitrarily. Rather as Ephesians 2:8 says it is through our faith that we are selected by God to receive that gift of salvation. Our faith is not a one-time acclimation; rather it is a lifelong endeavor. So long as we believe in God, i.e., continue to have faith, God's grace will be active. If one ceases to believe, then God's grace is no longer applied.

 

[JBO]

Where does this concept of... "working to be saved"..... "working to stay saved".. "working to try not to lose your salvation" that is actually OSAS's Point of View...... where did this all begin. ?????

That is not the typical meaning of the phrase, "Once Saved Always Saved". It is usually in the sense of Romans 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That of course, does not prevent anyone from changing his mind and ceasing to believe in God. The concept of working to keep, or hold onto, salvation is called Galatianism and is a major theme that Paul spoke out against in his letter to the churches of Galatia, hence the term, Galatianism.

 

[JBO]

Just so you know I’ve been corrected that spiritual birth isn’t biblical....is it biblical anyone?

I did say I stand corrected and won’t use it again...” spiritual” unless someone quotes Gods word that says spiritual birth..thanks.

It should be Spirit birth....

No, it is not Spirit birth; it is spirit birth. It is not the Spirit that is born and reborn, it is our spirit that is first born at our physical birth, or at our conception and then reborn when we believe in God, i.e., have faith in God.

Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

Once dead in our trespasses and then made alive is rebirth, i.e., being reborn.

I see nothing wrong with calling being dead in our trespasses and sins as being spiritually dead and then being made alive again as being spiritually reborn. It is our spirit that once was dead but now made alive. It was born first alive, then died in sin and then is born again in the forgiveness of that sin.

 

[Jack]

That is not the typical meaning of the phrase, "Once Saved Always Saved". It is usually in the sense of Romans 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That of course, does not prevent anyone from changing his mind and ceasing to believe in God. The concept of working to keep, or hold onto, salvation is called Galatianism and is a major theme that Paul spoke out against in his letter to the churches of Galatia, hence the term, Galatianism.

Absolute FACT!

1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,