Omicron variant

[Naomanos]

Hippa law makes it illegal to even ask people about their medical status.

False. As someone who had to go through HIPAA training every year, including this year, I can say that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws
Many organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow these laws.

Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:

• Life insurers
• Employers
• Workers compensation carriers
• Most schools and school districts
• Many state agencies like child protective service agencies
• Most law enforcement agencies
• Many municipal offices

From here:

Your Rights Under HIPAA

If you notice, Employers is underlined as it is a hyperlink. When you click the link this is what part of it says:

Requests from your employer
Your employer can ask you for a doctor’s note or other health information if they need the information for sick leave, workers’ compensation, wellness programs, or health insurance.

However, if your employer asks your health care provider directly for information about you, your provider cannot give your employer the information without your authorization unless other laws require them to do so.

Generally, the Privacy Rule applies to the disclosures made by your health care provider, not the questions your employer may ask.

That can be found here:

Employers and Health Information in the Workplace

So, in a nut shell, employers can indeed ask you for your medical status and you have the right to tell them no, however, it is not illegal for them to ask you in the first place.

On the flip side of that, as an EMT I am not allowed to go around sharing people's medical history unless they have given me consent to do so. This doesn't include transfer of care to another care provider such as an ER, primary care physician, dialysis tech or skilled nursing facility. They are considered continuing providers and are privy to information I have for continuation of care.

 

[Curtis]

My nephew is a doctor here in the Tampa Bay area. He only has had 1, that is right 1 patient who got really sick and needed to be in the hospital for over a week in the last 8 months She was not vaccinated. All of the vaccinated people coming into the hospital spend usually 1 day and maybe 2. That's it, then they are sent home as they are doing so good. He has treated hundreds and hundreds of covid patients. The universal take away is if vaccinated and you have covid, your sickness is milder by far than the unvaccinated. Also, the vaccinated even going to the hospital is WAY down.

Now I want to discuss science as not being from God. That is crazy. Plum crazy. God is the author of all science and uses science up to and including science we don't even know about yet to operate the universe and everything in it. If you deny science then you deny God, pure and simple. Now science can be used to kill such as poison gas etc. But that is sinful man perverting Gods fantastic science to further the devils work. I think some people have been taught very incorrect ideas by sinful men trying to make rules on things that they have no right or reason to make the rules. In fact, in making up a bunch of rules that are not in the Bible, you commit the original sin. You want to sit in Gods place on the throne and make laws that he never made and then by decree state that they are from God. Now that is sin, pure simple satanic sin.

I hope no one is being led astray from people who bring up ideas that are from man and then use those ideas to beat other Christians over the head. Doing that is yet another sin! So, I'm not sinning by pointing this out in a general broad brush way with no names attached. But, If I have described you, I would evaluate my personal walk with the Lord and get on board with God. Leave your human rules and ideas at the station!

Except it’s coming out that most deaths occurring now are among the vaccinated, a very inconvenient fact countering your anecdotal evidence.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The only joke here is you, my rights are my freedom and not my company or no one will take that from me.

You try and act like a Christian instead of you and your friend imposing what you think is right on me and others who are against the vaccine, instead of Eternally Grateful your more like Eternally Damned.

Well lets see

1. You claim two people who never met are friends. And when confronted refused to repent or conv=fess your error
2. You scream you are not trying to enforce your rights on people. Yet you want to enforce your rights n the person who pays you work for his company.

All I have done is call you out on these two inconsistencies.

So yeah. Everyone here sees what the issue is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rights are not imposed; they are respected.

The proper term here is Facsism. Government forcing business to do their dirty work. Hippa law makes it illegal to even ask people about their medical status.

I have no argument about what the government is trying to do and I am against it. You know that man.

Thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about an employers right to stop losing money by making it mandatory its employees get vaccinated so they can stop the bleeding.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Except it’s coming out that most deaths occurring now are among the vaccinated, a very inconvenient fact countering your anecdotal evidence.

Yet I still have yet to see or hear of a vaccinated person dieing. But I know many unvaccinated people who have died.

Stop watching the news of any kind and look at reality

 

[JohnPaul]

Well lets see

1. You claim two people who never met are friends. And when confronted refused to repent or conv=fess your error
2. You scream you are not trying to enforce your rights on people. Yet you want to enforce your rights n the person who pays you work for his company.

All I have done is call you out on these two inconsistencies.

So yeah. Everyone here sees what the issue is.

You have called me out on nothing, except in your mind.

Again more play on words, I explained the friend remark if you can't read or understand sarcasm, it's your problem, you keep repeating yourself saying the same thing over and over again, just using different terms and words that all amount to the same.

And that's the biggest lie you've said yet, turning things around and saying I want to enforce my rights on companies and other's when all I said, is that they won't force me to do anything, that I would quit before that even comes to be, it's you and your "friend" who are infringing on others rights by saying you support companies who require their employees to get vaccinated, when there is no need for that, just require they wear a mask like my company is doing now.

If you're so confident in the vaccine why worry, your protected aren't you?

But like a good Christian, I forgive you and your "friend" and pray to God for both you and others who think like you, go in peace and may God bless and forgive the things you and your "friend" have said in terms of forced vaccinations, because requiring someone to be vaccinated in order to work at a company is forced vaccinations.

Go in peace and may God forgive you and people who think like you, I have no hate or fear, for God is on my side and I only feel love and compassion.

God bless.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have called me out on nothing, except in your mind.

Again more play on words, I explained the friend remark if you can't read or understand sarcasm, it's your problem, you keep repeating yourself saying the same thing over and over again, just using different terms and words that all amount to the same.

And that's the biggest lie you've said yet, turning things around and saying I want to enforce my rights on companies and other's when all I said, is that they won't force me to do anything, that I would quit before that even comes to be, it's you and your "friend" who are infringing on others rights by saying you support companies who require their employees to get vaccinated, when there is no need for that, just require they wear a mask like my company is doing now.

If you're so confident in the vaccine why worry, your protected aren't you?

But like a good Christian, I forgive you and your "friend" and pray to God for both you and others who think like you, go in peace and may God bless and forgive the things you and your "friend" have said in terms of forced vaccinations, because requiring someone to be vaccinated in order to work at a company is forced vaccinations.

Go in peace and may God forgive you and people who think like you, I have no hate or fear, for God is on my side and I only feel love and compassion.

God bless.

Good day sir.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I had to be vaccinated to visit and take my sister out of her adult home she lives in. We live in a democrat run state and they are mandating vaccinations for people here. I don't believe in mandates though and see them as a violation of human rights. On the news recently I saw that they're starting to sue Biden for vaccine mandates.

I also have cystic fibrosis and saw it as wise to be vaccinated against the threat. So I get to visit with my sister and am also protected should I contract the virus.

I'm sorry about what happened to you and your sister. It breaks my heart. And may I recommend that, in the future, if you suspect that you have contracted Covid-19, that you take the vitamin cocktail and Ivermectin or HCQ immediately. Some even suggest that quercetin can be substituted for Ivermectin if the disease is caught early. The most important thing you can do right now is research ways to improve you immune system, which are very simple and inexpensive. Get plenty of rest; establish a regular sleep pattern; take vitamin and mineral supplements with a high absorption rate; reduce stress; wash hands often; eat healthy foods; avoid alcohol; eliminate or reduce sugar intake; and enjoy outdoor activities on a regular basis. And most of all, give your sister a kiss now and then. May the Lord bless you Devin.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Maybe we're not speaking of the same choices. I wasn't forced to be vaccinated. I didn't have a choice based on my situation with my asthma, working on an ambulance transporting Covid-19+ patients and immunocompromised family members.

In other words, there was only one choice to make.

I understand. You meant to say that you only had one option. I get that. I also respect your efforts to protect yourself and your family and for that you should be commended. I don't think it could hurt, though, to take efforts to improve your immune system through diet, exercise and supplementation. It might even help with your asthma.

 

[Naomanos]

immune system through diet, exercise and supplementation.

Thank you for your respect. I have already improved my diet by not working on an ambulance anymore, which means no more multiple days in a row of fast food. Exercise, well, I walk alot for work. Generally, walk at least 6000 steps a day. That is about it for exercise and I do take supplements. I'm not big on exercise. I find it extremely boring. I also walk my dog. So I guess you can say I walk for exercise. That is about all I will do.

My asthma is my asthma and it's not going anywhere unless the Lord chooses to heal me of it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No

But they have a choice. Take the vaccine or find another job, Its still a choice.

Call it whatever you want, an employer has a right to chose who they will employ and who they will not.

My company loses close to 30000 everytime an unvaccinated person has to isolate ten days if they are just a close contact. where if the person was vaccinated, their loss is just a days work.

I think they have the right to make a decision, especially a company as big as mine, where this 30,000 dollar loss is multiplied by everyone in the company who is off..

In my building alone the company has lost close to 300,000 dollars in lost income and wages in the past year it has to pay someone to sit at home.

Your argument doesn't hold water and here is why.
First, whatever can be said about Covid-19 can be said of any other disease that causes lost time. Does your company fire employees who spend time in a hospital due to a car accident? Heart attack? Major surgery? Does your company fire those who spend three days at home during a bout with the flu? Get the point?

I assume your company tests for the virus or requires employees to get tested on a regular basis. What about other communicable diseases. Does your employer also require tests for HIV? Hepatitis A, B and C? Ebola? CRE? Cold? Flu?

I assume your company required employees to wear a mask. (Many still do). Why now? Why didn't the company require employees to wear a mask during the Bird Flu pandemic? Why not mask everyone to prevent the common cold or the flu, both of which result in lost time for the company?

Why? Because the state and the employer aren't acting to save people from a pandemic. They are using coercion to force people to take an unnecessary vaccine, especially when cures are available. We all suspect this is true because the state and the employers aren't acting like they want people to get well and live a happy life. Something else is going on, and even if we can't understand the true motivations, we can't deny what we see with our own eyes.

I think we are talking about the conditions employers set after an employee has been hired. And I believe our country (The United States) has established, over time, the principles that guide labor relations and the rules that dictate fair treatment of employees. In our country, neither the state nor businesses have rights. Rather the people reserve the rights to themselves, granting powers to the state and employers to serve them.

Employers must follow labor laws, which were instituted to protect the rights of individuals. This is an important concept that each of us must remember and maintain or the world will continue to slip into the darkness and pain of totalitarian rule. We are not the slaves of those who employ us. Rather we are trading our time for payment in accordance with the rules and ethics of a fair exchange, understanding that both employers and employees work together in mutual respect of one another.

When the state dictates actions to businesses, without the approval of the people, and the businesses enforce mandates, even after the Supreme court has ruled against it, then we are now living in a fascist state. The United States is in the grip of fascism right now.

Your company is suffering under it's own foolishness, which is why it looses money. Don't blame the employees for stupid, idiotic rules, that make no sense. Nobody in their right mind would isolate the unvaccinated for 10 days. This is foolishness and unproductive. Everyone over the age of 30 already knows, from experience, how viruses behave and how to deal with them. And yet, all of a sudden, everyone has gone mad, punch drunk and fearful.

We already know, for instance, that those with the flu manifest with fever, sneezing, cough, and lethargy. And we know that only those with these symptoms are infectious. We know, from experience, that such people should stay at home, and get plenty of bedrest. For this reason, it would make sense and be very reasonable demand that employers require folks with a communicable disease to self-quarantine.

The fact that employers are treating this disease differently than all the others is indicative of ulterior motives.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your argument doesn't hold water and here is why.
First, whatever can be said about Covid-19 can be said of any other disease that causes lost time. Does your company fire employees who spend time in a hospital due to a car accident? Heart attack? Major surgery? Does your company fire those who spend three days at home during a bout with the flu? Get the point?

I assume your company tests for the virus or requires employees to get tested on a regular basis. What about other communicable diseases. Does your employer also require tests for HIV? Hepatitis A, B and C? Ebola? CRE? Cold? Flu?

I assume your company required employees to wear a mask. (Many still do). Why now? Why didn't the company require employees to wear a mask during the Bird Flu pandemic? Why not mask everyone to prevent the common cold or the flu, both of which result in lost time for the company?

Why? Because the state and the employer aren't acting to save people from a pandemic. They are using coercion to force people to take an unnecessary vaccine, especially when cures are available. We all suspect this is true because the state and the employers aren't acting like they want people to get well and live a happy life. Something else is going on, and even if we can't understand the true motivations, we can't deny what we see with our own eyes.

I think we are talking about the conditions employers set after an employee has been hired. And I believe our country (The United States) has established, over time, the principles that guide labor relations and the rules that dictate fair treatment of employees. In our country, neither the state nor businesses have rights. Rather the people reserve the rights to themselves, granting powers to the state and employers to serve them.

Employers must follow labor laws, which were instituted to protect the rights of individuals. This is an important concept that each of us must remember and maintain or the world will continue to slip into the darkness and pain of totalitarian rule. We are not the slaves of those who employ us. Rather we are trading our time for payment in accordance with the rules and ethics of a fair exchange, understanding that both employers and employees work together in mutual respect of one another.

When the state dictates actions to businesses, without the approval of the people, and the businesses enforce mandates, even after the Supreme court has ruled against it, then we are now living in a fascist state. The United States is in the grip of fascism right now.

Your company is suffering under it's own foolishness, which is why it looses money. Don't blame the employees for stupid, idiotic rules, that make no sense. Nobody in their right mind would isolate the unvaccinated for 10 days. This is foolishness and unproductive. Everyone over the age of 30 already knows, from experience, how viruses behave and how to deal with them. And yet, all of a sudden, everyone has gone mad, punch drunk and fearful.

We already know, for instance, that those with the flu manifest with fever, sneezing, cough, and lethargy. And we know that only those with these symptoms are infectious. We know, from experience, that such people should stay at home, and get plenty of bedrest. For this reason, it would make sense and be very reasonable demand that employers require folks with a communicable disease to self-quarantine.

The fact that employers are treating this disease differently than all the others is indicative of ulterior motives.

all those things you mention are real sicknesses and real issues.

Getting EXPOSED to covid 19 and giving to isolate for ten days even if you have no symptoms is nothing like that. and tp try to compair them to each other is not a real comparison.

It would be like someone was exposed to the flu so they have to have ten paid days off.

No company is going to complain for paying for short term disability of someone who is seriously ill. Being exposed to covid is not a serious illness.

 

[Wrangler]

We are talking about an employers right to stop losing money by making it mandatory its employees get vaccinated so they can stop the bleeding.

Bleeding?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bleeding?

this just shows you do not realise how much employers have to pay out in costs for this

 

[Wrangler]

this just shows you do not realise how much employers have to pay out in costs for this

You are driven by circumstances, not principles. When I hired in, they offered health insurance. I accepted that offer. What medical choices I make are mine to make, not their's to make.

If they want to change the health insurance policy as part of the overall benefit program, that is up to them. What is not up to them is what health care choices I make.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are driven by circumstances, not principles. When I hired in, they offered health insurance. I accepted that offer. What medical choices I make are mine to make, not their's to make.

If they want to change the health insurance policy as part of the overall benefit program, that is up to them. What is not up to them is what health care choices I make.

this has nothing to do with health insurance.

It has to do with them losing labor hours to you because you were exposed to covid and have not gotten the shot (a person who is vaccinated they say does not need to isolate)

even if they gave you time off without pay. they would still lose the income they would have gained if you were working. (at least in my line of work) which costs a company thousands..

 

[Wrangler]

this has nothing to do with health insurance.

It has to do with them losing labor hours

Friend, there are limits to what one can do given the moral choices one has. Fire people.

 

[CadyandZoe]

all those things you mention are real sicknesses and real issues.

Getting EXPOSED to covid 19 and giving to isolate for ten days even if you have no symptoms is nothing like that. and tp try to compair them to each other is not a real comparison.

It would be like someone was exposed to the flu so they have to have ten paid days off.

No company is going to complain for paying for short term disability of someone who is seriously ill. Being exposed to covid is not a serious illness.

Don't miss the point though. Your company, the nation, and the world is treating this particular virus much differently than any other disease, illness, infirmity, or disability. An excessive escalation of a response to perceived threat is a sign of irrational fear, or even mental illness. No company or person deserves the right to cause someone else injury based on an irrational emotional fear of a disease that is easily treated with vitamins and Ivermectin.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Don't miss the point though. Your company, the nation, and the world is treating this particular virus much differently than any other disease, illness, infirmity, or disability. An excessive escalation of a response to perceived threat is a sign of irrational fear, or even mental illness. No company or person deserves the right to cause someone else injury based on an irrational emotional fear of a disease that is easily treated with vitamins and Ivermectin.

‘Excuse me but quick question: why is everyone a doctor all of a sudden and suggests things which doctors don’t suggest? Was this Ivermectin …. Dare I say …. Suggested by a crazy old uncle called Donald Trump?

 

[Enoch111]

‘Excuse me but quick question: why is everyone a doctor all of a sudden and suggests things which doctors don’t suggest?

You don't have to be a doctor to know what works and what doesn't. Indeed medical doctors are trained to ignore everything except what Big Pharma dishes out. As well a Big Pharma's propaganda.

Was this Ivermectin …. Dare I say …. Suggested by a crazy old uncle called Donald Trump?

Donald Trump failed to do the right thing and ensure that every citizen had full and easy access to very cheap and very effective ivermectin and hydroxycroquine (HCQ) or the HCQ combo pack. He was a part of the conspiracy to promote bogus vaccines, and he was the one who threw away 10 billion dollars of tax-payer funds on Operation Warp Speed (a total scam). He continues to take credit for the bogus vaccines instead of apologizing to the American public. So now Alex Jones is challenging him to do what is right and admit that he never should have trusted Fauci et al so that they could destroy America.