Aunty Jane
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Perhaps then we can allow God’s appointed judge to tell us whether we have succeeded or failed in our quest for the truth….? It will all come out in the wash….
Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms
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Wrangler
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Not an excuse not to answer questions.
Your questions are not telling the truth - other than your own ignorance. This thread is not about Australia. Why are you even posting here?
Berean
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Wrangler
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Nope. We don't need permission, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 2 Corinthians 3:17
This post confirms your enslavement mentality, totally contrary to Scripture. Our Lord also said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, this also includes patriotic loyalty, aka citizenship.
M.....I have an objection.
It's not being done quickly enough!
Other than that I do agree with others here the the KJV is really not the way to go with young kids or even older teens or even adults for that matter. The reading skills are not as good as they were decades ago, and even then one had to translate the KJV before they could understand what it was saying.
As to the Catholic bible.
There's no such thing as a Catholic bible.
It has more books in it and they could or could not be used.
No difference in theology except Mac speaks about praying to persons that have passed away, but I doubt any of that would be used.
Anything is better than what is being done to our children today.
The current generations are lost unless they had a really strong family.
My son has very strong beliefs because we raised him that way....
but he didn't pass these on to his kids. He thinks they need to make up their own mind about everything.
My daughter did better with her daughters...although they are both different anyway - at least she did her best.
Good news.
Thanks for sharing....I never would have known.
Aunty Jane
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Does it make you uncomfortable to hear that your love for your country is not shared by those outside of it?
Does God only see your country? Anyone would think so, but you seem to have no idea how insular your nation is. You live in a bubble controlled by the MSM….that bubble is going to burst very soon.
God is not just about MAGA….because no nation ruled by the devil is “great” in God’s eyes…..and America is not the only nation who claims to have Christians living in it…..No “nation” will be saved…..only those who obey Christ regardless of what nation they reside in, or what political party is in control. Salvation is given on an individual basis…..each one of us will answer to God’s appointed judge…so where will that leave those who fail to be “no part of the world” that satan rules?
Open your eyes and see where you have put yourself, and what you swallow on a daily basis that is nothing but political propaganda. So many are swept along in the wave, but cannot see it for what it is.
Will you be banging on the door of the figurative ark, begging to be let in once you realize that your trust was in the wrong people? Too late then….the door will be closed.
While there is time…there is hope…..but once the judgment starts….there are no second chances.
This is not criticism for the sake of it…..it is a rope being extended to you…..you can use it to save yourself….or hang yourself. It’s your choice….
Aunty Jane
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Time will tell….
No, I have no heavenly calling…I am not one of the anointed, but happy to be ruled by them on earth where God meant us to live forever. We have never in our entire history been ruled by God through his appointed King….I look forward to the earth being returned to its original form…..restored to the paradise conditions that God intended at the beginning….and having the best government imaginable…..one that rules for the good of all, not just the wealthy and powerful.
Wrangler
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Aunty Jane
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Wrangler, your short attention span does not allow you to see the answers given. Details are important to me, but apparently not to you. There are readers here making decisions….I want to give them information that seems to be lost on those who can’t see past their patriotism, which is incompatible with genuine Christianity.
True Christianity is not about MAGA…nor is it about putting Bibles into schools. Those things have nothing to do with a true Christian‘s conduct or beliefs….I live in the world, but I am “no part” of it, in obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ….you can’t see past your nation’s constitution and its dirty politics. But Jesus has a code of conduct involving loyalty as well…loyalty to one who actually deserves it….which is nothing to do with this world…..you choose which one is more important…and what disobedience and disloyalty will result in.
I’m not exactly sure what you mean when you say there is no such thing as a Catholic Bible. There are actually a number of them. I use one - NABRE - for casual reading. I also particularly like the Jerusalem Bible.
I’ve spoken a little bit about the (or maybe a?) Catholic attitude toward Protestant Bibles. If you’re interested the link will take you to that thread:
Post in thread 'Queen of heaven'
Queen of heaven
There is a personal story in that thread (post #45) about me verifying the attitude a few months ago at a local St. Vincent de Paul store. (The store was charging a nominal fee for used Catholic Bibles and giving away new and used Protestant Bibles for free. They were glad to get a Protestant Bible off their shelf and I was glad to have it.)
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You mean version. There are MANY versions of the bible Catholics use.
When you state THE CATHOLIC BIBLE it makes it sound like they use a totally different OT.
The OT is the same but 7 books are added.
It's like saying THE NEW WORLD BIBLE.
Now, THAT is really different because some words of the NT have been changed.
This is what I meant.
I like being clear.
Same problem on the Catholic side.
They also think the Protestant bible is different.
Maybe it's just what we mean by DIFFERENT.
Aunty Jane
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Can I ask you who told you that the NWT had erroneously changed words in their rendering?
Please point out these errors so we can bring them to light…..and discuss them.
This is a serious accusation without evidence.
So do I….so let’s clear this up…..
Are you serious?
Try John 1:1
John 8:58
and more....
And I hope you're aware that Charles Russell did NOT know Greek.
What an embarrassing situation.
Anyway,,,I have no desire to discuss this since it's kind of like discussing if water is wet.
But if anyone reading along is interested,,,
they could start here:
How accurate is the New World Translation? – Jehovah's Witnesses Bible
How accurate is the New World Translation? No! Many verses were mistranslated to make them agree with the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.
www.neverthirsty.org
Wrangler
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PS
Get yourself a REAL bible and read it on your own and come to your own understanding of God and His nature
and how He became a human man to save your soul.
Wrangler
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Oh my.
You're one of those persons that sat idly by while our country was being destroyed by all sorts of different weird and generally unacceptable ideologies.....and I mean going all the way back to the 60's.
Thanks for your service.
I'm sure the Christians living in this messed up world appreciate what you didn't do.
Aunty Jane
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I know that you think you know about us but you really don’t….you know what happens when you listen to hearsay…that is basically gossip. If you want to believe gossip, that is entirely up to you.Are you serious?
Try John 1:1
John 8:58
and more....
And I hope you're aware that Charles Russell did NOT know Greek.
What an embarrassing situation.
Anyway,,,I have no desire to discuss this since it's kind of like discussing if water is wet.
But if anyone reading along is interested,,,
they could start here:
How accurate is the New World Translation? – Jehovah's Witnesses Bible
How accurate is the New World Translation? No! Many verses were mistranslated to make them agree with the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Let me explain John 1:1 from the Greek…the language in which it was originally written, for the benefit of those who might want to know, rather than be put off by the gossip of determined detractors…they might like to consider the evidence, rather than a superficial reading of a biased translation.
You do know that the Bibles used in Christendom are translated by trinitarians….?
So, in the original Greek, there are two “gods” mentioned in that verse.…the true God, who is identified as “ho theos” and his “divine” son, who is identified as just ”theos”. One tiny little word is missing from the English translation that should have been used to identifiy and recognize the only true God, as separate from his son because failing to use it changes the whole meaning of what John wrote.
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
Let’s unpack what most people think is a relatively simple statement regarding the trinity…..?
In Greek there are no capitals and no punctuation, which are put in by the English translators.
So first of all we have “In the beginning”….in the beginning of what, we have to ask…because God had no beginning…..he alone is “eternal”. His son is not. (Rev 3:14)
Secondly, “the Word” whom we know is the son of God, was “with” “ho theos”…so the son was “with” his God and Father (Yahweh) in heaven, but is John saying something that none of the apostles or the first Christians believed? Did he say that the Word was “ho theos” (God with a capital “G”? )
If we look up the word “theos“ in Greek, we can see what it means…the primary definition given by Strongs is…
- “a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities”.
- “spoken of the only and true God
- refers to the things of God
- his counsels, interests, things due to him
- whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
- God's representative or viceregent
- of magistrates and judges”.
- of magistrates and judges”.
- God's representative or viceregent
The word “theos“ can refer to God’s divinely authorized representatives….even to human judges. (John 10:31-36)
Calling Jesus “theos” never made him God, or in any way equal to his Father….but he was the divine “son of God” as he himself said.
If you go to John 1:18 you will see another verse that challenges the trinity….”No man has seen God at any time”…..how many people saw Jesus?
Now, what about John 8:58…again what is the original text in Exodus 3:15 with which this statement is supposedly connected.
I have shown this text in the Jewish Tanakh many times but I will include it again for the sake of clarity….
| 13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" | יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם: | |
| 14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" | ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם: | |
| 15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.” | טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר: |
We can see here the translation from the Hebrew, the meaning of God’s name…..”I Will Be What I Will Be”.
He wasn’t telling them that he existed because they already knew that, but they were about to know him in a way that they had not known him before….he would “be“ or “become” whatever he needed to be, in order to fulfill his purpose in connection with them.
If we go then to John 8:58, we see that the Jews were asking Jesus about his age, not his status as a deity.
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
This was a past tense question with which Jesus did not respond with a present tense answer. It makes no sense!…until you see that the word Jesus used is “eimi” which can mean…”I am, have been, it is I, was”.
So Jesus is saying that “before Abraham was even born I was” in existence.
Can you see again, bias in translation is promoting a doctrine that Jesus never did.
It is ironic that others accuse us of the same thing when all we have done is correct old errors in translation.
We’ve done our research and we can see clearly where Christendom fudges Scripture to paint their own picture. The ones screaming heresy are actually the real heretics.
Make of it what you will. I can defend the NWT as accurate in every instance.
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