They have to have been born again, because their sins were forgiven, which only happens when a person believes--and the rescinding of the forgiveness proves his faith (counted as righteousness) went away.
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1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Anyone who is a son of God NOW will be like Him THEN. This is the clear teaching of this prophetic passage. So . . . no one will become not a son who is a son now. Or else this prophecy will not happen, and I don't think that's a good way to interpret Scripture, that we would disbelieve what He said.
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Jesus said to go disciple the nations teaching them to observe what He commanded, and we have those words there to disciple us.
No, Jesus said 'So My heavenly Father will do to you if you do not forgive your brothers" and "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors", and "disciple the nations teaching them to observe what ever I have commanded", so it applies to us.
So then reconcle the verses I asked you about.
Colossians and Ephesians were we - the gentile church taught by Paul - are instructed to forgive - not to receive forgiveness - because we have been forgiven.
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That's the parable. Look at Jesus' explanation. The parable shows the ridiculousness of not forgiving. Jesus' instruction gives a clear rule. You will earn God's forgiveness by forgiving others. Which is in direct contradiction to Paul's teaching to the church, if in fact they were directing their words to the same audiences.
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Jesus hadn't forgiven the Jews all their debts.
Again, that's only for believers.
Jesus taught these things to the disciples, and told them "Go disciple the nations teaching them to observe when I taught you."
The parable shows forgiveness can be rescinded.
Forgiveness is by faith; forgiveness rescinded is the removal of faith.
This does not answer the objection.
Jesus taught forgiveness in return for performance, Paul taught performance in return for forgiveness. Do you see this in each of their teachings?
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No, Jesus did not teach forgiveness in return for performance; Jesus taught that those who are forgiven ought to forgive, and if they do not forgive, then the forgiveness extended them will be rescinded, because He is fair ("Oh, really? You don't forgive? Let me rescind the forgiveness I extended to you, too, then!").
Do you believe that every detail in a parable is useful in determining doctrine? Does this remain true ( if true ) even if contradicted elsewhere? Consider the parable of the unjust judge . . . are we to take this to mean God can be unjust? I'd answer certainly not. That parables are familiar stories given to teach or illustrate a truth, and that we need to include specifically the didactic statements given in the same context, not to mention comparing to other Scriptures.
I'll leave this here for now. I've posted several passsages which if you are to accept as written will show this all plainly.
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