No authority!

[justbyfaith]

your demonic bible

If you are referring to the kjv then I believe that you have committed borderline blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if you haven't crossed the line.

For the kjv, in John 3:5 and in 1 Peter 3:20-21, does in fact teach that we are born again / saved by water.

And is it not true that the Holy Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Therefore in claiming that it is demonic, you are attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to demons.

That is not a wise move on your part.

But I do not presume to be your judge; for Jesus will be your judge on that day.

I would only refer you to 2 Samuel 14:14 and Acts of the Apostles 3:19, and say to you that if you have committed what is unforgiveable, Jesus offers you the equivalent of forgiveness in these verses.

You can take it or leave it.

But it is clear to me that you are in danger of everlasting condemnation (Mark 3:29 (kjv)).

 

[theefaith]

So, here is the reality.
Your cult's doctrine teaches that all that God does, He does through the Water Baptism.
This is what your demonic bible teaches as "born again, BY Water"......not by the Holy Spirit, but "Born again BY WATER".
This is why you believe that Noah was saved by water, as you told me, a few times.
Want to deny that now?

So, See that water cult theology?
This defines your religious organization as a Water Cult, and you as their follower.

If you want to continue to pretend that your "cult of the Virgin" does not teach that you are born again BY water, in the water, and of the water, as your church's doctrine states, then you are just continuing to try to deceive members here.
But, that is why your religious organization exists....So, how could you not be the same?

where is the connection between the do called cult of the Virgin and baptism

the Christian Faith includes a Virgin birth of the savior
And born again by water AND the spirit
The spirit is not left out or grace either

And means both

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Behold]

If you are referring to the kjv then I believe that you have committed borderline blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if you haven't crossed the line.

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Let me tell you how to commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ready.
Simply teach, in public, on a forum for example.... that you can lose your salvation, or that water baptism has the "power" to save.
Have you done this?
Be really careful, that you dont do it every day you are here.

And why is that demonic theology "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". Its because the Message of the Holy Spirit is God's Grace and the Cross of Christ, and to rebuke those, by substituting a theology in public that denies that the Blood of Jesus does not keep you saved as provided by the Cross, is to teach against God's Grace which is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, every time you do it.

Also, the demonic bible, is the "cult of the virgins' (water cult) Bible.
The Douay Rheims, that produces those who teach blasphemy, as i just pointed out how to do..

 

[justbyfaith]

Let me tell you how to commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ready.
Simply teach, in public, on a forum for example.... that you can lose your salvation, or that water baptism has the "power" to save.

I think that if you are going to accuse me in this way, you need to give scripture that substantiates your viewpoint.

You won't be able to find any; because the things that you say that, if I teach, I would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit, are teachings of holy scripture.

That water baptism has the power to save is evident in such passages as John 3:5 and 1 Peter 3:20-21 and Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:1-4 and Ezekiel 36:25-27 (there are more).

That a man can lose his salvation is evident in such passages as Luke 8:12-13 and Romans 11:20-22.

So, I suppose that you are also accusing the biblical authors who wrote these scriptures of blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

 

[Behold]

where is the connection between the do called cult of the Virgin and baptism,

First of all, thank you for being honest.
As you are the only Catholic here who defines your religious organization as "the cult of the Virgin" which is its original title as given in about 4-5AD, in Ephesus, by the "early church Fathers".

And, the connection is that its the "cult of the Virgin", who teach that you are born again by water.
Not born of water.........through your mother, (water breaks, and out comes baby), but BORN AGAIN BY WATER.... "by water"..
Means the water has the supernatural power........to cause, Spiritual Regeneration, or as the "cult of the Virgin's" doctrine teaches.....it as "baptismal regeneration".
This is "water cult" theology, as taught by your religious organization, and by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[Behold]

I think that if you are going to accuse me in this way, you need to give scripture that substantiates your viewpoint.
You won't be able to find any; because the things that you say that, if I teach, I would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit, are teachings of holy scripture.
So, I suppose that you are also accusing the biblical authors who wrote these scriptures of blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

Im not accusing you.
Im showing you that in the 8 months im here, your words have accused you, seemingly every day.

If you are not teaching that "water has the power to save", then you are teaching that Jesus does not have the power to keep you saved.

IN fact, you teach that YOU have the power to do that, which is '"another gospel.""" Galatians 1:8
See, you teach devout DEVOUT Legalism, with water baptism as a secondary Part.

Let me prove that you are a Legalist, justbyfaith.
The reason you can't say that "i can't lose my salvation" is because you can't honestly believe that Jesus keeps you saved.
Thats a fact, you can't deny, unless you lie.
Will you?

So, Thats your reality.....
All you can do is post verses , that are symbolic, that talk about WATER, or ABIDING, and then say...>"see, thats the BIBLE".

And yeah, its in there, but NO, its not connected with doctrinal Truth or God's Grace, or Paul's "My Gospel"= revelation that Came from Christ.
So, you have a problem.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Let me tell you how to commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ready.
Simply teach, in public, on a forum for example.... that you can lose your salvation, or that water baptism has the "power" to save.

How is that unforgivable? I don't care about the arguments themselves. They are not important. Just explain how those arguments are unforgivable in this age and the age to come.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you are teaching that "water has the power to save", then you are teaching that Jesus does not have the power to keep you saved.

I don't see that at all. I am not getting baptized every day. I am not renewing my salvation every day in baptism. I entered into the Christian faith by identifying with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection; and this was a confession of Jesus before men.

The water does not have any magical properties; but it is the symbol of going under the water that represents my death, burial, and resurrection with Christ as a confession of Jesus before men.

IN fact, you teach that YOU have the power to do that, which is '"another gospel."

Where is my power in any of that? God does the work of regeneration with the application of the water in the name of Jesus (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39, Ezekiel 36:25-27, Colossians 2:12, Romans 6:1-4, etc.)

All you can do is post verses , that are symbolic, that talk about WATER, or ABIDING, and then say...>"see, thats the BIBLE".

So, you discount the verses on abiding by teaching that they are SYMBOLIC.

I would only say that the scriptures tell us that they are to be taken literally.

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

That baptism is a figure that now saves us is not something that I deny. It is not the water that saves (it has no magical properties); but it is the representation of being buried and risen that identifies the baptizee with Christ so that he is confessing Jesus before men in the act of baptism.

And of course, if the person is not volitionally involved in going to the waters of baptism, it is no such confession and the person is only getting wet.

But if it is the free will choice of the baptizee that he is getting baptized as a confession of Jesus before men, then that act of going underneath the water and coming up out of it to "walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4) has the power to save him (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

Let me prove that you are a Legalist, justbyfaith.
The reason you can't say that "i can't lose my salvation" is because you can't honestly believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

I think that you have misunderstood my teaching.

Jesus does keep me saved if I am sealed by the Holy Spirit.

I encourage believers to "give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10) so that they can be certain that they are filled with / sealed by the Holy Ghost.

In such a case, they cannot lose their salvation; that is, if they have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14); for their faith is unto everlasting life (John 6:47)...which can never come to an end; otherwise it would have been identified as temporal.

But if someone has a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith, they can fall away (Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22).

Do you presume to teach that if someone falls away, they continue to have salvation?

Such a thing would identify you as a heretic.

Thats a fact, you can't deny, unless you lie.
Will you?

I have not lied in denying your false accusations but have repeated my teaching on the matter; and anyone can see that your accusation is faulty by looking over my teaching on the matter.

 

[justbyfaith]

Galatians 1:8

I find that, while Paul the apostle wrote this verse in order to deter people from preaching a false gospel, that today it is being used by the devil in an attempt to deter people from believing in the true gospel.

 

[theefaith]

First of all, thank you for being honest.
As you are the only Catholic here who defines your religious organization as "the cult of the Virgin" which is its original title as given in about 4-5AD, in Ephesus, by the "early church Fathers".

And, the connection is that its the "cult of the Virgin", who teach that you are born again by water.
Not born of water.........through your mother, (water breaks, and out comes baby), but BORN AGAIN BY WATER.... "by water"..
Means the water has the supernatural power........to cause, Spiritual Regeneration, or as the "cult of the Virgin's" doctrine teaches.....it as "baptismal regeneration".
This is "water cult" theology, as taught by your religious organization, and by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The church fathers are catholic bishops
Who with the popes, saints and doctors taught both that Mary is mother of God Lk 1:43 perpetual Virgin may 1:21-23 immaculate conception Lk 1:49 mother of our savior and salvation Lk 2:30 and our spiritual mother the throne of grace and mother of divine grace 4:16
And the sacraments with water baptism as the initiation into the new covenant
Church 1 cor 12:13

 

[Behold]

How is that unforgivable? I don't care about the arguments themselves. They are not important. Just explain how those arguments are unforgivable in this age and the age to come.

Well, you asked 2 questions, thinking you asked one, Ferris.
Thanks for the questions.

Notice the difference ::

1. Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit = Pharisees 2000 yrs ago, saying....>"Jesus you are doing miracles by the Devil's power.""""
So, you can't commit that one, as Jesus is not here standing in front of you, ...so.... you have no way to say that to His Face.
If you did that one 2000 yrs ago, then you are found lost, (Hell bound) in this world and in the world to come

2. Blasphemy OF the Holy Spirit. This is different, as you can commit that one sitting right there in your chair., simply typing on a Forum.
That one, is to block someone from Gospel truth, or its to do this. John 3:36.

An example of blaspheming would be to tell someone......>. "you dont need to go to church.....you dont need to be born again......listen, you are as good as any of those hypocrites in the church..... all you need to do is just live right and be a good person,"""

Another example would be. "No, you can't just believe and be born again..ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE...... you have to live a holy life and you have to keep commandments and you have to do this, and do that, and dont do that, and you have to endure, and abide, and confess every sin, if you DO ALL THOSE SELF RIGHTEOUS WORKS on that LIST, THEN IN THE END GOD WILL TAKE YOU".

And why does that 2nd example blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Because it does not give God and the Blood of Jesus FULL CREDIT DO THEM for Salvation. It in fact takes the credit and applies it to "doing",= credits Yourself.

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So, there is a True Gospel and its not "born again BY water", and its not "God started my salvation, and now i keep myself saved by doing something'

Your NT says you are to check to make certain you are "in THE Faith".
THE Faith, concludes, that there are many, but only one is TRUE.
And, a believer can be one of the many, and is going to heaven, but is causing harm to other believers because this person is fallen from Grace and is teaching a gospel of """""God started my salvation, and now i do the rest if i want to go to heaven""""""

Here is real faith... "JESUS SAVES".
Thats it.
You take Jesus and God takes you. DONE.... born again.
God does it all, and God gives this BLOOD to us. This Blood of JESUS is why we are saved, and why we stay saved.
= "what SAVED YOU< keeps you saved".

So, if you totally relate to this, then you are "in the Faith".....If you feel the need to bite back and talk about "keep doing something"< then you are not in the faith, you are fallen from it.


Ok then. i'll be back tomorrow.....


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[Ronald Nolette]

how do you get saved?
How can you say you are saved? Matt 24:13 say not

As Paul said i Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed

Matt. 24:13 is not about salvation but deliverance! save (sozo) primarily means to deliver. Jesus is referring to a different dispensation and how to be spared. this is not about eternal salvation.

 

[Behold]

I find that, while Paul the apostle wrote this verse in order to deter people from preaching a false gospel, that today it is being used by the devil in an attempt to deter people from believing in the true gospel.

The effect of the True Gospel is that.. "what saved you , keeps you saved".
Who is it that keeps you saved?
Philippians 1:6
Thats the "true Gospel" when its taught correctly.

Faith comes by hearing the Gospel. "the preaching of the Cross". "Jesus did not send me to water baptize".
God sees this faith in your heart, and accepts it.. as "Abraham believed God and his FAITH (not water, or abiding, or self effort) was ACCEPTED, as Righteousness.

This is "Justification by Faith", and not by water.
This is "Grace through Faith", and not by water.

Faith does not not save you.
God saves you through your faith, and does it ONCE... = Born again, is the proof.

Born Again, is eternal life.
Eternal Life is Jesus Himself, come to live in all the born again.
You can't get Him out, and you can't stop being "in Christ".
You can't stop being "born again".

But, you can twist the bible into a Legalistic pretzel, trying to prove that you can lose what God has Created by the Blood Atonement through Faith.
If you do that, you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, when you teach it.

 

[justbyfaith]

"Jesus did not send me to water baptize".

I have addressed this contention elsewhere so I will refrain from doing so again now.

But here is the elsewhere:

Discerning : The Water Cults

The effect of the True Gospel is that.. "what saved you , keeps you saved".
Who is it that keeps you saved?
Philippians 1:6
Thats the "true Gospel" when its taught correctly.

Men can indeed fall away from the faith if their faith is nominal, lukewarm, or shallow (Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22).

Do you presume to teach that if someone falls away, they will continue to have salvation?

Such a thing would identify you as a heretic.

But it is true that if a man is sealed by the Holy Spirit, what saved him, keeps him saved.

But, you can twist the bible into a Legalistic pretzel, trying to prove that you can lose what God has Created by the Blood Atonement through Faith.
If you do that, you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, when you teach it.

So, you are saying that Luke was blaspheming the Holy Spirit when he wrote Luke 8:12-13 and Paul was doing the same when he wrote Romans 11:20-22.

I did not go so far as to say that you absolutely blasphemed the Holy Spirit when you called the Holy Bible, which is inspired of the Holy Spirit, demonic. But I think that I will go so far as to say it now. Because it is written, "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged." (Matthew 7:1).

 

[theefaith]

How is that unforgivable? I don't care about the arguments themselves. They are not important. Just explain how those arguments are unforgivable in this age and the age to come.

gal 5:4 fallen from grace
Rev 22:19 taken out

 

[justbyfaith]

Simply teach, in public, on a forum for example.... that you can lose your salvation, or that water baptism has the "power" to save.

How is that unforgivable? I don't care about the arguments themselves. They are not important. Just explain how those arguments are unforgivable in this age and the age to come.

gal 5:4 fallen from grace
Rev 22:19 taken out

You believe in those doctrines yourself!

And so, now, why are you condemning yourself by saying that those who teach those doctrines have blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

 

[Wrangler]

If you are referring to the kjv then I believe that you have committed borderline blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Wow! Flagrant KJVism.

Criticism of a translation of a book a half a millennia old is no kind of blasphemy against the HS.

While it is common knowledge the KJV is the most important book ever written in the English language:

1. It does contain some errors.
2. Is written in near Middle English.
3. As a result, not a translation I would ever read myself.

If the best translation of the Bible is in Italian, I would not read that because I do not speak Italian. Also, I do not speak (near) Middle English. In Bible Study, I read the CEV, which is often criticized as an inaccurate thought translation. Yet, many in the Bible Study told me how impressed they were at my knowledge of the Bible - even though, at that time, I did not even read it all the way through.

How is this possible? The Holy Spirit guided me in a translation that most appealed to my way of speaking.

Shalom

 

[justbyfaith]

While it is common knowledge the KJV is the most important book ever written in the English language:

1. It does contain some errors.

Name one.

 

[theefaith]

You believe in those doctrines yourself!

And so, now, why are you condemning yourself by saying that those who teach those doctrines have blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

I did not behold started this mess

 

[CadyandZoe]

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

What's the point you are trying to make?