Netanyahu The False Prophet, Trump The AntiChrist?

[Heart2Soul]

I ask the above questions of everyone. Who has what it takes to face up to the false narrative of modern dispensationalism and the deceptions a misdirection of false prophecy can bring. The false prophecies regarding a future temple and blasphemously calling it "the temple of God" and associating it with antichrist has so deeply affected American Christianity it has impacted political foreign policy.
And all the while the true antichrist is laughing at the confusion he has created, and gloats to himself as to how cleverly he has deceived the world into looking for him in the completely wrong direction, and leans over the back fence inviting you to a community barbecue.

That may be true but it doesn't negate the fact that they are seriously planning to build a temple in Jerusalem. My understanding is that the Jews believe the Messiah cannot come unless there is a temple.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I am aware all that is happening. But it has nothing to do with prophecy, except as it is a core focal point in the deceptions Jesus spoke about as pertaining to the last days.
Despite all the evangelical rhetoric surrounding the subject and the political focus of American foreign policy, Israel is not the nucleus of prophecy.
Please explain how Christians can so readily recognise that Babylon the Great is a spiritual entity and a metaphor for apostasy and global rebellion in the last days, but take Israel/ Jerusalem literally? Why would God be so inconsistent in His Revelation, having 2 cities from history being so diametrically opposed to one another, one representing rebellion and Satan's 5000 year old vehicle for attacking truth and the purposes of God, the other God's vehicle through which to bring forth the Messiah and spread truth and righteousness and hope throughout the earth, and while one becomes the spiritual home of every form of wickedness and evil, the other... well, what is the other doing H2H? It's a secular nation of faithless people of many nations, very few of them actually from Palestine, many of which having no Hebrew heritage at all, a nation set up by political allies to those who control spiritual Babylon. But Jesus never chose Israel as His vehicle through which to spread and teach truth, righteousness, and hope. In fact, He outright rejected the nation, and chose 12 individuals through which He formed the foundation of a church, a spiritual global nation of kings and priests, chosen and Spirit led front line warriors for Christ. Some of them were Jewish. And for a time those Jews thought they were it. But God had other plans. First Peter, them Paul and others, learned that God's kingdom isn't about Israel. It's about the world. Jew and Gentile. It's a kingdom not of this world, but a movement directed and empowered from Heaven. It isn't political. It isn't concerned with territory, personal political aspirations, control, or in establishing an earthly reign. Is a spiritual movement... it's spiritual Israel, and spiritual Babylon's mortal enemy. We fight not against flesh and blood, and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal. One day many Jews will accept Christ after the latter rain falls and the whole world become embroiled in religious fervour and debate over right and wrong, truth and error, and which gospel is true. Babylon's false gospel as being taught by the 3 frog like demons from the mouth of the dragon, the antichrist, and the false prophet (i have more to say on that), or God's 3 angel's messages being taught by the church? Propecy isn't about Israel. It's about the church and God's final revelation of love, joy, peace, truth and righteousness in His people. His righteousness. His truth. His character formed in His children, the image of Jesus, a bride prepared without blemish and without spot. The church is the final Revelation of Jesus Christ and the Father, and the final vindication for all that God has accomplished through man since creation. It is the final vindication of God's true character, and the final proof that Satan is a liar.
Prophecy isn't focused on Israel. That's just one of the many deceptions of these last days. A teaching that is less than 200 years old. You've been had.

I believe everything happening in Israel has to do with prophesy. So we are just at a point to agree to disagree. God Bless.

 

[Douggg]

What scriptural evidence do you actually have to say they are not fallen angels.

Jay, the persons who become the beast-king, the false prophet, the ten kings, will all have a known record of when they were born, where they were born, and their ages based on when they were born.

Fallen angels, on the other hand, will not have those sort of records. Showing up out of nowhere on earth to become kings ? No.

 

[Brakelite]

That may be true but it doesn't negate the fact that they are seriously planning to build a temple in Jerusalem. My understanding is that the Jews believe the Messiah cannot come unless there is a temple.

H2S. I'm sure you have noticed, the Messiah has been and gone. And when He returns, He isn't touching ground, He's coming to take His bride to meet His Father. He doesn't need a fake temple to do that.

 

[Brakelite]

What scriptural evidence do you actually have to say they are not fallen angels.

I don't have any evidence that they aren't spoiled bottles of mayonnaise.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

My point exactly. And they are believing the lie...2 and a half billion Catholics joining with billions of Muslims, Hindus, Protestants and growing. Include the Mullins of secular non religious people who admire the papacy and hang on every word the pope says, and you have almost the whole world fulfilling prophecy before your very eyes. And even you are under that came strong delusion, and cannot see it.

 

[Douggg]

My point exactly. And they are believing the lie...2 and a half billion Catholics joining with billions of Muslims, Hindus, Protestants and growing. Include the Mullins of secular non religious people who admire the papacy and hang on every word the pope says, and you have almost the whole world fulfilling prophecy before your very eyes. And even you are under that came strong delusion, and cannot see it.

No, the revealed man of sin has nothing to do with the papacy. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground in Revelation 17:16 by the ten kings who will align themselves with the beast-king.

 

[The Light]

No, the revealed man of sin has nothing to do with the papacy. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground in Revelation 17:16 by the ten kings who will align themselves with the beast-king.


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Your answer is correct.

However, the chart is way off. There are not 5 stages of the little horn. There are two beasts that you have combined into one. There is no Gog Magog war until after the 1000 years.

 

[The Light]

What scriptural evidence do you actually have to say they are not fallen angels.

The beasts are one the earth long before the fallen angles arrive. The fallen angels fall to earth at the 6th seal.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Additionally, the MAN of sin is revealed, not the angel of sin.

 

[Heart2Soul]

H2S. I'm sure you have noticed, the Messiah has been and gone. And when He returns, He isn't touching ground, He's coming to take His bride to meet His Father. He doesn't need a fake temple to do that.

We are not on the same page. I am speaking in regards to what the Jewish religion believes. They rejected Jesus as the Messiah and are still waiting for the one that was prophesied to come. So for them it's as though it will be the first appearance of a Messiah. And this is how the antichrist gains acceptance as being the Messiah that was prophesied. He deceives the Jewish priests and congregation... right?
Thanks for the debate, I want to move on and visit some other threads.
I pray your day is blessed.

 

[TLHKAJ]

They rejected Jesus as the Messiah and are still waiting for the one that was prophesied to come. So for them it's as though it will be the first appearance of a Messiah. And this is how the antichrist gains acceptance as being the Messiah that was prophesied. He deceives the Jewish priests and congregation... right?

This is what Jesus said....

John 5:43
[43]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the persons who become the beast-king, the false prophet, the ten kings, will all have a known record of when they were born, where they were born, and their ages based on when they were born.

Fallen angels, on the other hand, will not have those sort of records. Showing up out of nowhere on earth to become kings ? No.

Where is your scriptural confirmation for your quoted statements above. All you are stating is simply your own private understanding.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't have any evidence that they aren't spoiled bottles of mayonnaise.

You are funny ROFL

 

[Jay Ross]

The beasts are one the earth long before the fallen angles arrive. The fallen angels fall to earth at the 6th seal.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Additionally, the MAN of sin is revealed, not the angel of sin.

You are welcome to hold to your private interpretation. This understanding in my opinion is flawed and leads to delusion.

 

[The Light]

You are welcome to hold to your private interpretation. This understanding in my opinion is flawed and leads to delusion.

Thankyou Jay. You are also welcome to hold your private interpretation even though I disproved it with the Word of God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Thankyou Jay. You are also welcome to hold your private interpretation even though I disproved it with the Word of God.

No. you did not disprove my understanding at all. All you did was present what you hoped was what the scriptures stated. I was not been challenged by what you had posted. If anything your post only confirmed what I hold to be the truth.

 

[ewq1938]

What scriptural evidence do you actually have to say they are not fallen angels.

That avoids my question.

 

[Jay Ross]

That avoids my question.

When you provide the evidence that I am actually wrong, then we will see where we go from there.

 

[quietthinker]

What is the factor which makes each of us conclude that the way we see is the right way?
Some would argue, 'it's in the bible' In my view, that doesn't hold up. The OT has slavery as an acceptable tick as well as the subjugation of Women. It also says 'an eye for an eye....' etc. Are those who use 'it's in the bible' really going to measure out those norms today?
I could go on but suffice it to ask again, what is the factor which makes each of us conclude that the way we see is the right way?

 

[ewq1938]

When you provide the evidence that I am actually wrong, then we will see where we go from there.

No, you say they are angelic host so I ask you what you base it on. If it is just guesswork, then say that don't dance around so much to avoid a simple question.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, you say they are angelic host so I ask you what you base it on. If it is just guesswork, then say that don't dance around so much to avoid a simple question.

No, it is not guesswork, my understanding comes from an OT prophecy which mirrors the Armageddon judgement mention in Rev 16:12-16.

I have referenced it many times on this forum, but people want to just ignore it. The verses are Isaiah 24:21-22. It talks of the judgement of the heavenly hosts as well as the judgement of the kings of the earth and that they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

This means that Satan, the beasts and the Little Horn, called the False prophet in the NT, and the kings of the earth who have helped to trample God's sanctuary and his earthly hosts, Israel, will all go into the pit, i.e. the Bottomless pit, immediately after God has judged them.

I would also reference and Daniel 7:2 and 9-12 that the four winds of heaven, i.e. spiritual entities that can only be wicked fallen heavenly hosts are the beasts described in Daniel 7.

On this forum there are many funny explanations given by some members as to how this is not so based on their reading of the NT prophecies.

Now you have demanded that must not dance around so much to avoid a simple question, yet you have made a claim that I am wrong but will not provide the scriptural evidence to show me where my understanding is wrong. You are the one who needs to stand up and put your reasoning forward to be judged.