Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

[TribulationSigns]

We've got to allow the "holy man" Zechariah to tell us what all that means, otherwise we'll get bogged down in "private interpretation". "This is the WORD OF GOD" - not "people".

That is your private interpretation. None of Zechariah said that one of the anointed ones is the Word of God itself. You said it, not God.

The anointing ones or the sons of oil are God's people with the power of the Holy spirit (oil) to preach or teach the Word of God. You are the one who got confused with your interpretation.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is your private interpretation. None of Zechariah said that one of the anointed ones is the Word of God itself. You said it, not God.

The anointing ones or the sons of oil are God's people with the power of the Holy spirit (oil) to preach or teach the Word of God. You are the one who got confused with your interpretation.

This will be my last word on it.

What did God tell Zechariah the vision of the olive trees and lampstands and the "sons of oil" represent?

"This is the WORD OF GOD to Zechariah, saying, not by might nor by power, but by My spirit."

Attempting to interpret Revelation 11 while ignoring Zechariah 4 most certainly leads to a private interpretation. Thanks for the info!

 

[TribulationSigns]

This will be my last word on it.

What did God tell Zechariah the vision of the olive trees and lampstands and the "sons of oil" represent?

"This is the WORD OF GOD to Zechariah, saying, not by might nor by power, but by My spirit."

Attempting to interpret Revelation 11 while ignoring Zechariah 4 most certainly leads to a private interpretation. Thanks for the info!

I think you misread the verse in Zechariah 4 without reading the context. But let start with Hosea first before we will deal with Zechariah 4 momentarily:

Hosea 14:5-7

• "I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
• His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the Olive Tree, and his smell as Lebanon."
• They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon."

The Israel of God is ultimately Christ, and the children of God who dwell under the shadow of this tree will have no scorching sun on them. When we are in Christ, we are like a green olive tree in the house of the Lord (Psalms 52:8). This is the Salvation and the hope of the Israel of God. And as we are the light of the world because Christ is the light of the world, so we are the Olive tree because Christ is this Olive tree. He is the Israel of the New Covenant in whom if we abide, we are sons of God. We can see this most clearly in a passage like Romans chapter nine or chapter eleven where the Gentile nations are grafted into New Covenant Israel, which is symbolized by the Olive tree.

Romans 11:17

• "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"

Clearly God is using a wild olive tree to symbolize the Gentile nations, and the natural Olive Tree to symbolize the representation of Covenant Israel into which believers are grafted. For example, we join with Paul and the Apostles into Christ, the true Israel of God (Ephesians 2:11-19) which this Covenant tree merely represents! This is the New Covenant Church, and it is symbolized by the olive tree having Gentiles grafted into it so that they become heirs (right along with the Jews) according to the promises to Israel. And so once again we see the Word of God showing just who the olive tree represents. All those Gentiles coming into this Jewish olive tree are the believers coming into the New Covenant Congregation. Those branches of the tree broken off are those of Israel who come under judgment and are blinded. The Jewish brethren who are Saved are the branches in this same tree right along with us. So we see Jewish people and Gentiles, all in the exact same olive tree of Salvation.

Likewise in Zechariah chapter four, the symbolism of two olive trees and the candlestick (lampstand) are signifying the Church.

Zechariah 4:2-6

• "And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
• And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
• So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
• Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
• Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."

See, per context, the Lampstands and olive tress stand before God, not by their own power or by their own might, but by the Holy Spirit of the Lord. This again illustrating what we've been seeing of the two Witnesses. It is not by any power we have inherently, but because of the power of the Holy Spirit of God given us that we witness or have the testimony of Christ. Not by our own oil, but by the pure oil of the Olive tree. Not by our own light, but by the light of the candle. The two olive trees symbolize the anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth (Zechariah 4:14), not by their own power, but by power of God. This symbolizes the Church, anointed by the Spirit of God. The Word of God within us that we testify! Just as we read the two Witnesses of Revelation also stand by the Lord of the earth.

Zechariah 4:14

• "Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."

The same thing Revelation Chapter Eleven says of the two candlestick/olive trees there! They stand before the God of the earth. They are the anointed ones, meaning they are those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit, by being in Christ. The oil for the light is not theirs, it is that given them!

1st John 2:27

• "But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

So we have seen from God's Word that:

1.) The Witnesses represent the Church
2.) The Candlesticks represent the Church
3.) The Olive Tree represents the Church
4.) And that they are the anointed ones who stand before the God of the earth.

All roads are leading to the same inescapable conclusion. This imagery represents the Church. Do you think this is a private interpretation? Hardly! I have shown you all the Scripture, including the context!

Selah!

 

[Phoneman777]

I think you misread the verse in Zechariah 4 without reading the context. But let start with Hosea first before we will deal with Zechariah 4 momentarily:

Hosea 14:5-7

• "I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
• His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the Olive Tree, and his smell as Lebanon."
• They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon."

The Israel of God is ultimately Christ, and the children of God who dwell under the shadow of this tree will have no scorching sun on them. When we are in Christ, we are like a green olive tree in the house of the Lord (Psalms 52:8). This is the Salvation and the hope of the Israel of God. And as we are the light of the world because Christ is the light of the world, so we are the Olive tree because Christ is this Olive tree. He is the Israel of the New Covenant in whom if we abide, we are sons of God. We can see this most clearly in a passage like Romans chapter nine or chapter eleven where the Gentile nations are grafted into New Covenant Israel, which is symbolized by the Olive tree.

Romans 11:17

• "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"

Clearly God is using a wild olive tree to symbolize the Gentile nations, and the natural Olive Tree to symbolize the representation of Covenant Israel into which believers are grafted. For example, we join with Paul and the Apostles into Christ, the true Israel of God (Ephesians 2:11-19) which this Covenant tree merely represents! This is the New Covenant Church, and it is symbolized by the olive tree having Gentiles grafted into it so that they become heirs (right along with the Jews) according to the promises to Israel. And so once again we see the Word of God showing just who the olive tree represents. All those Gentiles coming into this Jewish olive tree are the believers coming into the New Covenant Congregation. Those branches of the tree broken off are those of Israel who come under judgment and are blinded. The Jewish brethren who are Saved are the branches in this same tree right along with us. So we see Jewish people and Gentiles, all in the exact same olive tree of Salvation.

Likewise in Zechariah chapter four, the symbolism of two olive trees and the candlestick (lampstand) are signifying the Church.

Zechariah 4:2-6

• "And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
• And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
• So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
• Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
• Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."

See, per context, the Lampstands and olive tress stand before God, not by their own power or by their own might, but by the Holy Spirit of the Lord. This again illustrating what we've been seeing of the two Witnesses. It is not by any power we have inherently, but because of the power of the Holy Spirit of God given us that we witness or have the testimony of Christ. Not by our own oil, but by the pure oil of the Olive tree. Not by our own light, but by the light of the candle. The two olive trees symbolize the anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth (Zechariah 4:14), not by their own power, but by power of God. This symbolizes the Church, anointed by the Spirit of God. The Word of God within us that we testify! Just as we read the two Witnesses of Revelation also stand by the Lord of the earth.

Zechariah 4:14

• "Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."

The same thing Revelation Chapter Eleven says of the two candlestick/olive trees there! They stand before the God of the earth. They are the anointed ones, meaning they are those who are anointed by the Holy Spirit, by being in Christ. The oil for the light is not theirs, it is that given them!

1st John 2:27

• "But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

So we have seen from God's Word that:

1.) The Witnesses represent the Church
2.) The Candlesticks represent the Church
3.) The Olive Tree represents the Church
4.) And that they are the anointed ones who stand before the God of the earth.

All roads are leading to the same inescapable conclusion. This imagery represents the Church. Do you think this is a private interpretation? Hardly! I have shown you all the Scripture, including the context!

Selah!

A "lion" can mean different things in prophecy: Satan, Babylon, Jesus.

However, the Lord leaves no doubt as to what Zechariah's vision meant: "the Word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit". The symbolism is easy to see:

Olive Trees/Olive Oil = Divine Holy Spirit (God's people are not divine)
Lampstand Light = Word of God (God's people reflect - not generate - light)
Anointed Ones "Sons of Oil" = "offspring" of inspiration of God - Scripture (not God's people)

When interpreting Revelation 11, its similarity with Zechariah 4 is too great for us to disallow the impact of the one on the other - doing so, as you've done, is nothing short of textbook "private interpretation".

 

[Phoneman777]

None of Zechariah said that one of the anointed ones is the Word of God itself.

God's already settled the matter by telling us the Zech 4 vision is all about the "Word of God". A blind man can see that the "anointed ones" aka "sons of oil" are the "offspring of oil" which is what? God's Word.

NOW FOR SOME CHURCH HISTORY:

I. The "Two Witnesses" (Word of God) prophesied clothed in sackcloth 1,260 days.
The papacy misrepresented the Word of God for 1,260 years, while the true church - comprised of anti-papal Waldenses, Albigenses, Bogomils, Huguenots, Lollards, etc. - that had "fled into the wilderness" for the same 1,260 year period did their best to spread the true Gospel.

II. At the very end of the 1,260 days, the Bible was finally "killed".
Then the Bible was then completely taken from the people - by the French Revolution.

III. It was left dead in the streets 3 1/2 days while people rejoiced and exchanged gifts.
The 3 1/2 year atheistic French Revolution rejoiced that the Word was replaced by "Goddess of Reason".

IV. After 3 1/2 days, the Two Witnesses revived and their enemies began their final descent
The end of the French Revolution saw the launch of the greatest end times evangelistic effort to spread the Word of God throughout the entire earth, tearing down satanic atheistic strongholds everywhere.

How long was the Bible "dead" until the Reign of Terror left everyone desperate for it's revival? Yep. It's sad so many presume to teach the meaning of prophetic passages sent to the church while having little to no understanding of what happened in church history - it's why Jesuit ideas are so loved by "Protestants".

 

[TribulationSigns]

However, the Lord leaves no doubt as to what Zechariah's vision meant: "the Word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit". The symbolism is easy to see:

Olive Trees/Olive Oil = Divine Holy Spirit (God's people are not divine)
Lampstand Light = Word of God (God's people reflect - not generate - light)
Anointed Ones "Sons of Oil" = "offspring" of inspiration of God - Scripture (not God's people)

When interpreting Revelation 11, its similarity with Zechariah 4 is too great for us to disallow the impact of the one on the other - doing so, as you've done, is nothing short of textbook "private interpretation".

You have no clues about what you are talking about!

Didn't God say that He gave the power, His spirit to his witnesses to prophecy? The Olive Trees represents those with the POWER with the Spirit of God!

Act 1:8

• But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The "Word of the Lord" is found within people! Have you forgotten that our bodies are the temple of God - the Word of the Lord Himself and that we represent Him? LOL!

 

[TribulationSigns]

God's already settled the matter by telling us the Zech 4 vision is all about the "Word of God".

False. It is about His witnesses who come with the Power of the Holy Spirit who preaches the Word of God.

A blind man can see that the "anointed ones" aka "sons of oil" are the "offspring of oil" which is what? God's Word.

You are right. Guess you are blind man who believes this nonsense. The "offspring of oil" is your invention being added to God's Word.

NOW FOR SOME CHURCH HISTORY

Let's see...

I. The "Two Witnesses" (Word of God) prophesied clothed in sackcloth 1,260 days.
The papacy misrepresented the Word of God for 1,260 years, while the true church - comprised of anti-papal Waldenses, Albigenses, Bogomils, Huguenots, Lollards, etc. - that had "fled into the wilderness" for the same 1,260 year period did their best to spread the true Gospel.

Huh?

Rev 11:3

• And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

And you already talked about Papacy that will misrepresent the "Word of God" for 1,260 literal years?!

Sigh!

II. At the very end of the 1,260 days, the Bible was finally "killed".
Then the Bible was then completely taken from the people - by the French Revolution.

Wait, what? You think the Word of God (Bible) will be taken away after 1,260 years of testimony? By the French Revolution?! Where is this nonsense coming from?! That's right, a spiritual blind man!

III. It was left dead in the streets 3 1/2 days while people rejoiced and exchanged gifts.
The 3 1/2 year atheistic French Revolution rejoiced that the Word was replaced by "Goddess of Reason".

Hold on!!! Read verse again:
Rev 11:7-8

• And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
• And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Note the "Word of God" is not "they". DO you dare to think the Word of God will have dead bodies in the street of the great city. What great city is this if you think "they" was killed by French Revolution anyway?!

IV. After 3 1/2 days, the Two Witnesses revived and their enemies began their final descent
The end of the French Revolution saw the launch of the greatest end times evangelistic effort to spread the Word of God throughout the entire earth, tearing down satanic atheistic strongholds everywhere.

So, how will the "Word of God" be revived?! What death did it revive from anyway? Didn't Christ, being the Word Himself, went to the Cross to die ONCE FOR ALL?! Your interpretation is maddening!

How long was the Bible "dead" until the Reign of Terror left everyone desperate for it's revival? Yep. It's sad so many presume to teach the meaning of prophetic passages sent to the church while having little to no understanding of what happened in church history - it's why Jesuit ideas are so loved by "Protestants".

Again, you have no clue what you are blabbing about. None of your Revelation 11 interpretation makes any sense becasue all of it is purely speculation and without Bible support whatsoever!

 

[Phoneman777]

You have no clues about what you are talking about!

Didn't God say that He gave the power, His spirit to his witnesses to prophecy? The Olive Trees represents those with the POWER with the Spirit of God!

Would you read "the devil as a roaring lion".......then read "ye (Judah) are of your father the devil".......then read "the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David" (who was shaped in inquity and sin)........and conclude that lion is Satan?

No, that would be a "private interpretation". Why? Because "line upon line, here a little, there a little" disqualifies Satan as the "lion" and qualifies Jesus.

Therefore, when Zechariah 4 contains a prophecy that's ALMOST IDENTICAL to Revelation 11, it's nothing short of reckless private interpretation to ignore "hear a little, there a little" and disallow God's own interpretation of the former as the basis for interpreting the latter.

Question:
Who do the Two Witnesses describe?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah.

Question:
What did Moses write and what did the prophets write?
Answer:
Moses wrote the Law and the prophets wrote everything else.

Question:
What Biblical colloquialisms are used to describe the Word of God?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah; Moses and the Prophets, the Law and the Prophets, the Law and the Testimony

Therefore, the Olive Trees cannot be but Divine agents pouring forth the "sons of oil" which are the "Two Witnesses" which are are "Moses and Elijah" which are the WORD OF GOD.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes - but when we come across an OT prophecy that's ALMOST IDENTICAL to a NT revelation, it's nothing short of reckless private interpretation to disallow the former from interpreting the latter.

Question:
Who do the Two Witnesses describe?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah.

Question:
What did Moses write and what did the prophets write?
Answer:
Moses wrote the Law and the prophets wrote everything else.

Question:
What Biblical colloquialisms are used to describe the Word of God?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah; Moses and the Prophets, the Law and the Prophets, the Law and the Testimony

Therefore, the Olive Trees cannot be but Divine agents pouring forth the "sons of oil" which are the "Two Witnesses" which are are "Moses and Elijah" which are the WORD OF GOD.

So, let me get this straight. When I see that the two witnesses are symbolically called "the two olive trees" and I see two olive trees (natural and wild) described in Romans 11, I'm being reckless by comparing Revelation 11 to Romans 11? Do I have that right? If we compare scripture with scripture, but not exactly in the same way you do, we are being reckless. Do I have that right?

 

[Phoneman777]

So, let me get this straight. When I see that the two witnesses are symbolically called "the two olive trees" and I see two olive trees (natural and wild) described in Romans 11, I'm being reckless by comparing Revelation 11 to Romans 11? Do I have that right? If we compare scripture with scripture, but not exactly in the same way you do, we are being reckless. Do I have that right?

I edited my post with an additional point, so please refer back to it

 

[Phoneman777]

So, let me get this straight. When I see that the two witnesses are symbolically called "the two olive trees" and I see two olive trees (natural and wild) described in Romans 11, I'm being reckless by comparing Revelation 11 to Romans 11? Do I have that right? If we compare scripture with scripture, but not exactly in the same way you do, we are being reckless. Do I have that right?

Two things:
I. The Olive Tree is the DIVINE agent of which human branches can be broken off and grafted in.

II. Zech 4's prophecy is almost identical to Revelation 11's prophecy, so ignoring Zech and looking to Romans or Acts is a self evident, textbook example of "private interpretation".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Two things:
I. The Olive Tree is the DIVINE agent of which human branches can be broken off and grafted in.

Yes. The natural olive tree represents the kingdom of God. Jesus told the unbelieving Israelite chief priests and Pharisees that they would have the kingdom of God taken from them and "and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" (Matthew 21:43-45). The natural branches that were broken off because of unbelief (Romans 11:20) represented the unbelieving Israelites like the chief priests and Pharisees that Jesus told would have the kingdom of God taken from them.

II. Zech 4's prophecy is almost identical to Revelation 11's prophecy, so ignoring Zech and looking to Romans or Acts is a self evident, textbook example of "private interpretation".

Nonsense. What the two witnesses do, which is preach the gospel throughout the world with power, is the same thing that the wild branches of the wild olive tree that were grafted in with the natural branches of the natural olive tree do. The grafting in of the branches from the wild olive tree with the natural branches in the natural olive tree represent Jew and Gentile believers being joined together in the church. The church has the same power that it shows the two witnesses having because of the power of the Holy Spirit, which is limitless.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The two witnesses are also symbolically called "the two candlesticks" and candlesticks represent churches in the book of Revelation (Rev 1:20). The church is the joining together of the Jew and Gentile congregations/churches as one (Eph 2:11-22), so I believe that is why the two witnesses are called the two candlesticks. It's worth noting that there is only one candlestick referenced in Zechariah 4. What I'm describing is NOT a private interpretation since plenty of people see the two witnesses as representing the church the same way I do.

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes. The natural olive tree represents the kingdom of God.

God is the divine Olive "Vine" and we are the human branches. Zechariah's Olive Tree points to a divine agency, not a human one.

Nonsense.

God said Zechariah's vision referred to "the Word of God" (Zechariah 4:6 KJV)
Zechariah's Two Witnesses are "sons of oil" aka "the offspring of oil" - the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16 KJV)

Those who read the identical prophetic language in Revelation 11 and choose interpretations that kick Zechariah to the curb perfecty exemplify what Peter meant by "private interpretation".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God is the divine Olive "Vine" and we are the human branches. Zechariah's Olive Tree points to a divine agency, not a human one.

I said it represents the kingdom of God. Is that not a divine agency? Do you not think the natural branches being broken off because of unbelief relates to Jesus telling the unbelieving Israelites that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof (Matthew 21:43-45)?

God said Zechariah's vision referred to "the Word of God" (Zechariah 4:6 KJV)
Zechariah's Two Witnesses are "sons of oil" aka "the offspring of oil" - the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16 KJV)

Those who read the identical prophetic language in Revelation 11 and choose interpretations that kick Zechariah to the curb perfecty exemplify what Peter meant by "private interpretation".

You do nothing but speak arrogantly and condescendingly towards anyone who dares disagree with your view. You need an attitude adjustment, buddy. You are just kicking Paul to the curb by acting as if what he wrote in Romans 11 about the two olive trees can't be used to help understand the identity of the two witnesses. The two witnesses are called "the two candlesticks" (Rev 11:4). There is only one candlestick referenced in Zechariah 4. In my understanding of the two witnesses I don't ignore that it says they are two candlesticks instead of just one.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Would you read "the devil as a roaring lion".......then read "ye (Judah) are of your father the devil".......then read "the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David" (who was shaped in inquity and sin)........and conclude that lion is Satan?

No, that would be a "private interpretation". Why? Because "line upon line, here a little, there a little" disqualifies Satan as the "lion" and qualifies Jesus.

No. The lion could refer to Satan or could refer to Jesus Christ... DEPENDING on the CONTEXT! You are working too hard to divide the Word of God.

Therefore, when Zechariah 4 contains a prophecy that's ALMOST IDENTICAL to Revelation 11, it's nothing short of reckless private interpretation to ignore "hear a little, there a little" and disallow God's own interpretation of the former as the basis for interpreting the latter.

I have explained how the book of Zechariah 4 has reconciled with the book of Revelation 11 with many supporting Scripture. Yet you have NOT refute anything I wrote. You only forced Zechariah 4 to talk about the "Word of God" just like Keraz to force Revelation 16:9 to talk about the physical scorching sun to support his CME theory nonsense.

Question:
Who do the Two Witnesses describe?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah.

God's chosen Elect who received power with the Holy Spirit to prophecy Gospel. Not two human men.

Question:
What did Moses write and what did the prophets write?
Answer:
Moses wrote the Law and the prophets wrote everything else.

Okay... and your point is?

Question:
What Biblical colloquialisms are used to describe the Word of God?
Answer:
Moses and Elijah; Moses and the Prophets, the Law and the Prophets, the Law and the Testimony

Therefore, the Olive Trees cannot be but Divine agents pouring forth the "sons of oil" which are the "Two Witnesses" which are are "Moses and Elijah" which are the WORD OF GOD.

Ahem... I will leave it up to the Holy Spirit to correct your flawed doctrine. I have explained my position with solid Scripture support.

Good bye! :-)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Two things:
I. The Olive Tree is the DIVINE agent of which human branches can be broken off and grafted in.

II. Zech 4's prophecy is almost identical to Revelation 11's prophecy, so ignoring Zech and looking to Romans or Acts is a self evident, textbook example of "private interpretation".

Geez! You keep coming up with phrases that are not found in Scripture. For example, the "offsprings of Oil," "Divine agent", "divine Olive "Vine" etc. These are obviously private interpretations on your part because we can see that you do not know how to compare Scripture with Scripture. You just created phrases in place of God's Word and then built a doctrine upon it.

 

[Phoneman777]

Geez! You keep coming up with phrases that are not found in Scripture. For example, the "offsprings of Oil," "Divine agent", "divine Olive "Vine" etc. These are obviously private interpretations on your part because we can see that you do not know how to compare Scripture with Scripture. You just created phrases in place of God's Word and then built a doctrine upon it.

Look, I can't trust you "scholars" to think beyond the nose on your faces and recognize the obvious - that "sons of oil" also means "offspring of oil" in like manner that "sons of Abraham" means "offspring of Abraham".

The oil represents the Holy Spirit and the "sons of oil" - within the context of Zechariah 4's vision which God Himself says is symbolic for the Word of God - must be the Law and the Testimony, the Word of God which is brought forth by (Holy Spirit) inspiration of God".

 

[TribulationSigns]

Look, I can't trust you "scholars" to think beyond the nose on your faces and recognize the obvious - that "sons of oil" also means "offspring of oil" in like manner that "sons of Abraham" means "offspring of Abraham".

The oil represents the Holy Spirit and the "sons of oil" - within the context of Zechariah 4's vision which God Himself says is symbolic for the Word of God - must be the Law and the Testimony, the Word of God which is brought forth by (Holy Spirit) inspiration of God".

Scholar? Me? LOL! Why thank you! Guess it's because...

2Ti_2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

And not making up speculations with "phrases" of your own and built a docrine upon it like you do. Your interpreation of Revelation 11 and Zechariah 4 aren't correct. I will let you be and I will move on because the Lord Judges and I am comfortable with it! Because the Victory belongs to Him.

 

[Phoneman777]

No. The lion could refer to Satan or could refer to Jesus Christ... DEPENDING on the CONTEXT! You are working too hard to divide the Word of God.

Wow, knowing this, you still reject the Isaiah 28 principle and allow Zechariah 4 interpret Revelation 11.

I have explained how the book of Zechariah 4 has reconciled with the book of Revelation 11 with many supporting Scripture. Yet you have NOT refute anything I wrote. You only forced Zechariah 4 to talk about the "Word of God" just like Keraz to force Revelation 16:9 to talk about the physical scorching sun to support his CME theory nonsense.

Forced?
Have you read Zechariah 4?
God plainly tells you the vision of the candlesticks, Olive Trees, oil, Two Witnesses "sons of oil" all point to the Word of God, as does the Revelation's Two Witnesses which describe "Moses and Elijah" - a Biblical colloquialism for God's Word.

God's chosen Elect who received power with the Holy Spirit to prophecy Gospel. Not two human men.

I didn't say the Two Witnesses were "Moses and Elijah" and neither does Scripture - I said the symbolism is descriptive of Moses and Elijah, which in turn is a Biblical colloquialism for "THE WORD OF GOD" - the exact same meaning of Zechariah's vision.

Okay... and your point is?

That the Two Witnesses describe "Moses and Elijah" which is a Biblical colloquialism for the Word of God, along with "Moses and the Prophets" aka "The Law and the Prophets" aka "The Law and the Testimony".

Ahem... I will leave it up to the Holy Spirit to correct your flawed doctrine. I have explained my position with solid Scripture support.

 

[Phoneman777]

Scholar? Me?

Jesuit scholar, maybe.

And not making up speculations with "phrases" of your own and built a docrine upon it like you do.

A blind man can see these references all through Scripture...why can't you?

Your interpreation of Revelation 11 and Zechariah 4 aren't correct. I will let you be and I will move on because the Lord Judges and I am comfortable with it! Because the Victory belongs to Him.

Too good to waste on just one of you ;)