My Sister Wants to Become an Atheist and Run Away Because My Mother, My Father and I (Brother) are Christian

[Nancy]

You don't seem to see the contradiction in what you are saying....if everyone is saved....as @Nancy says...why bother?
If Christ died for her sins then what is there to fear? You already believe that she is saved.

If she says those things, then she is not a Christian, and no amount of Bible bashing will turn her into one.

You didn't mention her age, which, if she is a minor, the approach would be a little different to the approach you would take with an adult.
If you keep telling her, battering her with negative words, it will just fuel her hatred of the Christian faith.

Did you never read the parable of the Prodigal Son? What did the father of this son do when he wanted to leave home and take his inheritance to squander it on an immoral life? Did the father brow beat him with scripture? Did he berate him and tell him he was on the road to destruction? NO!!! The father gave him his whole inheritance, and let him go and do what his heart desired, because the son had to come to the right conclusion on his own.
The life lesson, when he hit rock bottom, worked better than all the verbal bashing he could have given him. It takes wisdom and patience to turn things around.....and some people cannot be told.....they have to experience the consequences of their own actions and the pain that goes with it. This is what God did in Eden......his children couldn't be told either, so he turned them out of their comfortable circumstances and let them experience what life was like on their own.....without him. Tough love isn't always just vocal.

He definitely is....but he is holding the majority of mankind hostage, (1 John 5:19) which is why God is allowing all of us to make our decisions before he steps in to finish the lesson....soon now by all accounts. Where we stand on that day of judgment will determine where we will spend eternity.

You can rebuke the evil, but you have to allow this girl to be who she chooses to be (if she is an adult).....regardless of the outcome, because you cannot force anyone to be a Christian. It has to come from their own heart. She will find out soon enough what real friends should be like....ones who look after each other, not those who live on the wild side, doing everything that God condemns, and watching their friend get hurt in the process.

If your sister is deliberately doing what she knows is wrong, then how does Jesus view her.....in his entire ministry, all he ever did was offer his truth to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" because these were the ones he was sent to.....if they refused to listen, or did nothing to alter their course, he never once chased after anyone.....demanding that they repent....and threatening them with hell if they didn't......do you know why? (John 6:44, 65)

Jesus chastised their shepherds for their neglect of those 'lost ones', showing in his parables what a real shepherd should do.

So, do you know why John the Baptist was sent ahead of Jesus to "prepare the way"? What was he preparing?...."hearts" to receive Jesus' message......the majority did not accept him as Messiah, believing instead the lies told about him by their religious leaders. Those are the ones Jesus held accountable for the poor spiritual condition of the people.
He said..."
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . . . .
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves. . . . . “Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·henʹna?"

If God is the one "drawing" right hearted ones, (John 6:44) then no amount of berating will bring anyone to the right conclusions.

I say this also in love.....

 

[Nancy]

Jesus gave people his message and he rebuked demons, he rebuked what is evil, my friend, I tell this with love.

Hebrews 12:6
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

Jesus is the load and He disciplines the one who he loves. Thus, if you hate someone, you do not discipline her. We love her therefore we discipline her. My family has trained her, in kindness and love, which has allowed her to do well academically. Looking at other families, it's clear that there are MANY parents who do not care about their children and simply let them do whatever they want, drugs, crimes, bad friends, etc. It's a great shame! Essentially, those parents HATE their children because they don't protect them. We offer her protection. My parents have rebuked me in the same way as her, and look, I love the Lord.
Hebrews 12:10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.

They are extremely kind people, some of the nicest people I've ever met in my life! And it's truly sickening how so many people in this thread are slandering them, and painting this horrible picture on them. I love them more than my friends outside my family! They've comforted me when I cried, they were there for me for wisdom. And we do this same thing with her.
Ephesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

I am not surprised though. There are many very evil people in this world. People who commit horrible crimes against children and wish for the destruction of people. Those people are like their Father, who is the Devil. I've met people who physically abuse their children, which I am completely against, those people are evil. Those who let children wander around at night and the children get kidnapped and have horrible things happen to them. We live in a very very dangerous world! There are so many criminals out in the world who want to destroy, and some of those evil people use the Internet.
Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love.

Therefore, I rebuke all the people in this thread who are against r Cor. 5ebuke! Just as the Lord rebukes everyone who He loves! This is TRUE LOVE.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

If your sister has walked away from belief in Christianity (Christ), then we as Christians have NO business judging them, that is God's doing. If we do it, we push them further away, we must get out of God's way and let Him do His perfect work, no mater what we "see".

So, if your sister made the choice to walk away from Christ, you nor any other practicing Christian have any right to "correct" them. The only and best thing to be done is prayer, prayer, prayer. I pray that she will come to the truth as well as all of your family...not everyone will be saved.

1Cor 5:12
"11 "But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside."

 

[Wrangler]

We have established house rules telling her that she is not allowed to go to these dangerous parties.

We? Aren’t you her brother and not her master?

 

[Wrangler]

Frankly Harold, if you were talking to your sister like you do online here I would want to leave as well. :)

Maybe she wants her life to be shortened. Anything to get away from you. (and bulldozer Christianity)

Anyone else see the trend, the pattern?

 

[Harold]

We? Aren’t you her brother?

We as in, my mother and my father who establish the rules I obey them my friend. I have no authority over her, of course, I don't force her, that would be cruel. I only follow the guidance of my mother and my father, to which I agree with them.

 

[quietthinker]

We as in, my mother and my father who establish the rules I obey them my friend. I have no authority over her, of course, I don't force her, that would be cruel. I only follow the guidance of my mother and my father, to which I agree with them.

What is your age Harold?

 

[Harold]

UPDATE Feb 15 2023 11:04 PM. Here’s an update for everyone, just finished talking with my mother and my sister about the situation with her friends talking about weed, cocaine, alcohol, when she’s a minor. My sister has said this exact quote “They are just mean in general” when specifically referencing her bad friends. This is true, since I heard it out loud. So it’s good that we rebuked her to stop hanging out with the bad crowds. She said “It’s over for me now”, an exact quote, when specifically talking about her breaking up officially with her bad friends. So we’re relieved that she recognized this. It’s good she came to these thoughts on her own. I’m here with her, talking with her and my mother is here too. I’m grateful that my sister has recognized her worth. My mother just warned her “They can do harm to you in different ways”. Which is true. Even though my sister has officially cut ties with them, they might not want her to leave the unhealthy relationship and will try to drag her in. So we offer her our advice on how to avoid that too.

Proverbs 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.



She’s been a lot happier in general, which is a huge relief. It’s good. I’ll be accompanying her to an event as well, so she has a buddy to keep her safe so she’s not alone. The outside world can be dangerous so it’s very important to protect your family members. My mother was worried sick for my sister and I was worried too, so it’s good this is over. It was my sister who on her came to this decision, we just rebuke her friends because she requests it. And she requests us for help and guidance, so we always listen to what she has to stay and support her through it. She just sent a text message chain to her friends right now telling them how she’s “breaking up” with them in the sense that she’ll be stopping hanging out with them. Thanks to our rebuke, she’s recognized that wasn’t a healthy relationship she was in.

Ephesians 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.



I am also very thankful for all the prayers that I’ve received from various people on the Christian forums online. Thank you very much my friends! ShanaBrown thank you for your support my friend! Meerkat, thank you for the excellent advice. And St Steven, thank you for understanding the situation in the end, I appreciate your words of wisdom too my friend. And so many other names that would take so many words to mention, I appreciate each and every one of you I intend to use this experience as a learning opportunity and will take all the advice given and apply it into my daily life. It makes me glad that I posted about this circumstance. Usually, I don’t talk about personal matters like this, I stick with Christian Universalist theology, but at the same time, as a brother, I must protect my sister, and my family in general. So I’m glad that by describing the situation, they we got support from these prayers to help resolve it :) So again, thank you all for the prayers. It’s amazing, because a few days after receiving the prayers, my sister has recognized how dangerous these people are. Even for those who are not Christian, I pray for all their safety with love and kindness, as Christ has come to save everyone and all will become believers in Him, they will understand His Love <3

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"



We can see eye bags on her face, so hopefully she can get more sleep now. She was up until 2:00 AM at the middle of the night worrying about the situation, so hopefully she can get some much-needed rest. I pray that her friends, the bad crowd ones, they will recognize their badness and believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone to be saved. In this case it was first my mother who rebuked my sister for lying about the reason why she wasn’t coming at home on time. She admitted that it was wrong of her to lie and disobey her parents in this situation, and apologized for it, so we forgive her. We have unconditional love for her no matter what. And we’re glad that she can now be free because she was in danger with these drug friends, to which I supported my mother who initially noticed and gave correction to my sister, because she was worried sick about her daughter who is a minor going with this drug crowd. Cocaine, weed, alcohol, very dangerous combinations when driving in icy winter roads. Our bridges have black ice that forms under them, and many people die in car crashes, so I’m relieved that was avoided. I do not wish any harm on her friends as well, but I hope they can understand the error in their ways before something bad happens to them.

Colossians 3:14 And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.



Honestly, though, I’m proud of her. We all are. We won’t be here all the time to protect her from dangerous like this, so when we rebuke her feelings of guilt and harmful self-accusation, we do it in a way that helps her learn to recognize whenever she’s in an unhealthy relationship. She says that she officially doesn’t have a crush on the person who she told us herself weeks ago she has a crush on. Another good sign, since that person was talking about doing drugs like weed and cocaine, so a huge bullet dodged right there. She liked him at first, because she didn’t know about these dangerous things, but as she hung out with him, she found out about this criminal talk, which we warned her about, so I’m grateful to God that she took our “rebukes” aka our warnings of love and kindness to heart and is officially severing her ties with this bad crowd

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Continuation of the thread here, with a more fitting title: My Sister Cried Tears of Joy When I Showed Her the UR Gospel

 

[strepho]

You have my support. I'm Christian. Your doing right to try get her on the right path. No one is judging you. When she hits 18, she is a adult. Proverbs 15:12. A SCORNER loves not one that reproved him; Neither will he go to the wise. Rebellion is in the heart of the young. Many years ago, before I converted to christianity. I refused to listen to man of the clothe, who warned me of consequences of rejecting Jesus. I was wise in my own conceit. I was ignorant. 20 year's ago I began my journey studying the bible and repentance of sins to God. The power of darkness has hold on many of our brothers and sisters. Acts 26:18. To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me. Some people have spirit of stupor for their protection. Only Jesus can remove those blinders. Servants of God plant seeds and admonish or rebuke. My heart bleeds for former friend, woman, I was friends with. I planted seed. She rejected it. She chose to stay in darkness. It does hurt. Shes a adult and made her decision. As servant of God, I did my job. You can't force anyone to love God or carry their own cross daily. Love has to generate from within. Proverbs 16:6. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: And by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil. Before I converted to christianity 20 years ago. I was bad person. I hurt people, stole, caused trouble. I thought it was normal behavior. It wasn't. When I converted to christianity, I saw the errors of my ways. How depraved and spirtualty sick I was. Jeremiah 3:15. And I will give you pastors according to Mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. Jesus had mercy on me and revealed pastor Arnold murray to me. He teaches sound doctrine, the truth. My mentor had lot patience with me. I'm grateful to Jesus for this man of God. I needed swift kick in the butt. Hebrews 10:38. Now the just shall live by faith : but if any man draw back, My soul have no pleasure in him. 10:39. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Do the best you can to get her on the right path isolate her from her bad influence friends. When she reaches adulthood, your no longer responsible for her. Ezekiel chapter 18, every one answers for their own sins. Remember, they're is the millennium, it's time of teaching and discipline for the spirtualty dead, documentation, revelation chapter 20, Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48.

 

[Harold]

Hello everyone in this thread. Please see this thread as an update to this situation.

Prayer Request: My family is worried my sister (a minor) will get sexually assaulted

My family is worried that my sister who is a minor, under the age of 18, is at risk of getting sexually assaulted. My mother and I, we humbly ask for your prayers to support her during these trying times. Philippians 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and...

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My family has unconditional love for my sister, we will always forgive her, and out of kindness, will protect her from this bad crowd that puts her at risk of getting sexually assaulted.