My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

[Waiting on him]

In spite of the condescending and disingenuous remark above, what do the Scriptures say about knowing this?

I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking you guys. How do you know, but to say we understand the scriptures in context.... is what I hear from multiple religious sects.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Then please explain the entire book of Romans. Or how about the Gospel of John?

Ever notice these who when presented with the God of Scripture prove they are hostile to him, rarely, if ever use Scripture in attempt to bolster their error?

 

[Renniks]

Then you are just being dishonest.

Lol, the vast majority of Christiandom must have always been dishonest then.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking you guys. How do you know, but to say we understand the scriptures in context.... is what I hear from multiple religious sects.

So you admit you don't know what Scripture says about it, but you're here arguing about it. Frankly that is a rather foolish endeavor.

Oh, and I don't mind your perpetual labelling us Reformed Christians as a sect, I get what your trying to say, and, it merely shows your ignorance of Scripture, the Gospel, and other biblical truths.

It's also interesting that you won't lift a finger to go search it out for the sake of your own soul. Be careful in examining such things, you may well find you hate the God of Scripture. If this becomes the case I pray he saves your soul. 2 Peter 3:9.

 

[Renniks]

Ever notice these who when presented with the God of Scripture prove they are hostile to him, rarely, if ever use Scripture in attempt to bolster their error?

Let's please look at Romans 9:20, which you all like so much. It actually confirms free will. No one could talk back to God otherwise. In fact in Calvinism, no one talks back to God, they do exactly what he programs them to do.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Let's please look at Romans 9:20, which you all like so much. It actually confirms free will. No one could talk back to God otherwise. In fact in Calvinism, no one talks back to God, they do exactly what he programs them to do.

Lol!!!!!!! Not even close to being true! You simply cannot see what is plainly before your face.

No one is denying sinners can't sin or talk back to God, nor does mans ability to do so mean he has free will to save his soul. Talk about eisegeting Scripture! That's not what that text is discussing at all.

We affirm man is capable of doing this so your latter point is a straw man. No man is free in their will, or otherwise, outside of Christ but is bound in sin; John 8:36f2f.

But to the point and real meaning of Romans 9:20 which characterizes you, the man is complaining against God's purpose to save some, not others, and then crying to God because he can still find fault with man even though he leaves him in such a condition and finally condemns him. He is angry with God and calling him unfair if he does so.

That's you in a nutshell, you call God out, and call him a monster because he can and does do these things. It appears you think God owes every man ever a chance to vote himself into heaven. He owes no man anything and such a notion is not grace whatsoever.

This is why I say it is true that you are in fact hostile in your mind toward God; Colossians 1:21; Romans 8:7-8 &c. You are at this time apparently at enmity with him.

 

[reformed1689]

Let's please look at Romans 9:20, which you all like so much. It actually confirms free will. No one could talk back to God otherwise. In fact in Calvinism, no one talks back to God, they do exactly what he programs them to do.

That is such a shallow and ignorant interpretation of that verse.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

That is such a shallow and ignorant interpretation of that verse.

A case of 1 Corinthians 2:14?

 

[reformed1689]

A case of 1 Corinthians 2:14?

I'm beginning to think those types of people are the majority on this forum.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I want to make it clear that the reason I am in here doing this is because I (we) genuinely care about the souls of others like @Giuliano @Renniks @Jane_Doe22 @Waiting on him and others.

We actually pray for @Jane_Doe22 in our evening bible time. Will add the others to the list.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I'm beginning to think those types of people are the majority on this forum.

Yes, it is a mission field.

 

[Waiting on him]

You guys claim to have been taught of God but in fact are taught of men.

 

[Giuliano]

Then you are just being dishonest.

What do you think I am avoiding? Stop bearing false witness.

Still nothing sensible to say? Insults are all you have left?

How many times do you need to be told that you are praying against the will of God if you're praying for people He's already predestined for hell. I commend you for praying for others, by the way -- but it doesn't go with your take on what predestination is.

 

[Waiting on him]

You guys claim to have been taught of God but in fact are taught of men.

Your apologetics are of self and men

 

[Waiting on him]

Dead men.

 

[Giuliano]

So you admit you don't know what Scripture says about it, but you're here arguing about it. Frankly that is a rather foolish endeavor.

Oh, and I don't mind your perpetual labelling us Reformed Christians as a sect, I get what your trying to say, and, it merely shows your ignorance of Scripture, the Gospel, and other biblical truths.

It's also interesting that you won't lift a finger to go search it out for the sake of your own soul. Be careful in examining such things, you may well find you hate the God of Scripture. If this becomes the case I pray he saves your soul. 2 Peter 3:9.

I want to make it clear that the reason I am in here doing this is because I (we) genuinely care about the souls of others like @Giuliano @Renniks @Jane_Doe22 @Waiting on him and others.

We actually pray for @Jane_Doe22 in our evening bible time. Will add the others to the list.

What if God has already predestined us all for hell? What good would your prayers do?

 

[Giuliano]

Dead men.

And let me repeat, the blind leading the blind.

 

[reformed1689]

How many times do you need to be told that you are praying against the will of God if you're praying for people He's already predestined for hell. I commend you for praying for others, by the way -- but it doesn't go with your take on what predestination is.

I've already explained this and you ignored it.

 

[Waiting on him]

Revelation 20:10 KJV
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I find it interesting that there’s a night and day in the lake of fire.
Tecarta Bible

 

[Preacher4Truth]

What if God has already predestined us all for hell? What good would your prayers do?

2 Timothy 2:8-10.