Mother of Jesus?
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Huh? Your not going to condescend again? When did you the first time?
It looks like you are unable to name a single blasphemous teaching so I guess our conversation is done and your words are hollow.
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So says me, I didn't quote the pope. None of the early reformers support your fad theology, and your hostility towards anything Catholic is typical of Bible cults founded less than 15 years ago. You can't trace your inventions back to the Apostles, the Early Church Fathers, or even the early reformers. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies, which sparked the fundamentalist movement in reaction against it, as well as papal encyclicals condemning it. Whether you realize it or not, you are a Modernist.
THE BROTHERS OF JESUS by Brant Pitre - THE SPLENDOR OF THE CHURCH If you insist on twisting and distorting SCRIPTURE ALONE evidence, I can't be bothered reading any more of your posts. Good bye.
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BreadOfLife
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You're avoiding your original objection.
YOU said:
"A human person having a mother isn’t a controversial concept. God himself having a mother is a controversial concept."
Explain to me WHY this is 'controversial" - given the reality of the Hypostatic Union (FULLY human & FULLY God).
BreadOfLife
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WRONG.
There are THREE Marys at the Crucifixion:
1. Mary, mother of Jesus
2. Mary Magdalene
3. Mary, "Sister" (Adelphe") of Mary, Mother of Jesus and wife of Clopas/Alphaeus. It is THIS Mary who is called the mother of James and Joses (Joseph) and NOT Mary, Mother of Jesus.
Allow me to educate you:
Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".
Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Younger and of Joses, and Salome."
Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas (also called "Alphaeus" Luke 6:16), and Mary Magdalene."
When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they CLEARLY show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.
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BreadOfLife
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You're NOT addressing the issue.
Jesus is 100% HUMAN as well as being 100% God.
Now - explain to me why you have a problem with calling Mary the "Mother of God" when Jesus, in His hypostasis, unites to Himself TWO Natures - Divine and Human - and these 2 natures are INDIVISIBLE.
Mattathias
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Jesus is a human person. God isn’t a human person.
Mary is the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God.
101G
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book chapter and verse that states this......
and lastly, Jesus don't have a Mother or father biologically. no woman is a mother of a "spirit", she is only a "birth mother of flesh and blood, but not a "spirit"... and I have scripture for that.
Mary was only the surrogate mother to the "BODY"/Flesh that JESUS .... "Came" in. and that's all.
now BOL, a direct question, "do a woman give birth to a spirit", yes or NO?
looking to hear your answer.
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BreadOfLife
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101G
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that was not the question, read, and answer post #72, and quit stalling....
lol.your answer please.......
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Mattathias
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I’m not sure you do, but it appears to me that we were able to agree that trinitarianism teaches us that Jesus is a divine person, not a human person.
BreadOfLife
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Mary was a "surrogate" mother?
Show me where the BIBLE makes this claim - Chapter and Verse, please.
THIS is what the Word of God says about that:
Luke 1:31
And behold, YOU will conceive in YOUR WOMB and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
Surrogate mothers don't "conceive".
They are implanted with an embryo and carry it to gestation.
As to your question - did YOUR mother give birth to a meat puppet - or a human person with a SOUL and SPIRIT?
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You're talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth.
FIRST, you say that Jesus is NOT a human person.
THEN, you say that Jesus IS a human person.
Sooooo, which is it??
Jesus is God and Jesus is Human.
Mary gave birth to the only Man God (Theanthropos).
Mattathias
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As I suspected, you don’t get it.
I assert, against the teaching of trinitarianism - and have from the beginning (see post #6) - that Jesus is a human person.
Jesus is God (in the same sense that Moses was) and Jesus is a human person. (My belief as a Jewish monotheist. That’s not what trinitarianism teaches.)
All I was seeking in our conversation is confirmation that trinitarianism teaches us that Jesus is not a human person.
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101G
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sure,
Place #1. Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" AND THAT BODY DIDN'T COME BY ANY MALE OR FEMALE INTERVENTION, OR UNION,
Place #2. Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
(thing, here means flesh), and that flesh was concieved by the term "overshadow", which means,
the Greek word G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo) v.
1. to cast a shade upon
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence
see that term "preternatural influence", it means, out of the ordinary course of nature; exceptional or abnormal. the meaning here, not in the natural way of conception between a man and a women. BINGO.
and as for your birth and all of us was the meat of FLESH, (which was an IGNORANT ANSWER FROM YOU), which you're still in.... (smile).
Now mind answering post #72? ... now.
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101G
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see BOL, if you knew the difference between "TOOK PART" vs "PARTAKER", then you would not have answered foolishly. .... YIKES!
REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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YIKES!REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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