Mother of James?

[BreadOfLife]

Keeping it outside of Canon, is the same as relegating its authority, Mary. In other words, it doesn't have credibility, not at the inspired level. Not to mention how far removed from the actual events that it is, as far as when it was written is concerned.
You need to try and keep things real, Mary. Going off into mysticism, and exalting conduits to Christ over and above their allotted measure, is foolhardy, and ultimately blasphemous.

This is an asinine statement to make.

Do you believe that the Revolutionary War was faught in the 18th ventury? Do you have any witnesses - or do you simply rely on NON-Scriptural sources to inform you about it?

Just because somnething wasn't considered to be God-inspoired and included in the Body of Scripture DOESN'T mean it isn't true.
The Letter of Clement gives us an inside look at the 1st century Church. It was read from pulpits and considered to be Scripture for almost 300 years until the Holy Spirit, speaking through His Catholic Church declared that it wasn't God-inspired Scripture. Does this "nullify" the Letter of Clement as a fairy tale?

Your arguments are childish and stupid . . .

 

[Pearl]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)

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Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

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The obedience of faith!

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

We are not commanded to read and make doctrine for ourselves but obey those who God puts in authority.

There are still Apostles in the world today. Men and women who take the gospel to people who need to hear about Jesus.

 

[farouk]

Ok, so we throw out our bibles? I always understood that scripture is the written word of God.

@Pearl "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3.15-17)

 

[Pearl]

Do you guys believe in the Virgin birth only or also the Virgin birth and the fact that Joseph was the father of Jesus from the Bible alone please?

I believe in the virgin birth but only in that Mary was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to Jesus. I don't believe she was a perpetual virgin. And I believe that Joseph was recognised as the father of Jesus by the people who knew them at the time. But I also believe that they had a normal marriage and other children.

 

[Pearl]

no one prays to a dead saint.
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am theresurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

I don't understand how that applies. This isn't talking about saints who have 'passed' but of living ones like me and all other born again Christians.

 

[farouk]

I believe in the virgin birth but only in that Mary was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to Jesus. I don't believe she was a perpetual virgin. And I believe that Joseph was recognised as the father of Jesus by the people who knew them at the time. But I also believe that they had a normal marriage and other children.

@Pearl I'm sure it was a normal marriage.

 

[farouk]

But even if it's true and as you believe she gave birth to no other sons or daughters, she was a wife and so would not have remained a perpetual virgin. That is unless she kept herself from her new husband which would have been wrong. Why would God choose that the mother of his Son and her husband would not enjoy the pleasures of sex.

@Pearl They are as the Creator intended for husbands and wives to have. They are natural to pursue.

 

[farouk]

Just means that like my young grandaughter she has NOT YET had sex. And how does it imply a vow of perpetual virginity?

@Pearl Yes; once a married woman, from then onwards it's what is done.

 

[Nancy]

There is more than one James in the account of Jesus' life. Son of Zebedee is one, son of Alphaeus is another. And yet another is James, son of Mary and brother of Jesus.
Matthew 13:55
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

True Pearl, and there seems to be a lot of "Mary's" as well!

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Would you have sex with your wife if you heard that God had conceived in her?

Absolutely. There is nothing disgusting about God and the fact that he knits us ALL together within the wombs of our Mothers. What is more disgusting is having sex with a woman who is NOT known by God. And think of this: God can just as easily plant the Incorruptible, Indestructible Seed of Christ into Mary as He can plant the Holy Spirit within us.

What IS disgusting, is the story of Tamar, Judah and his sons . . . all of which had sex with Tamar. Judah, who is in the genealogy of Christ, thought that Tamar was a hooker at the town gate. He had an itch that needed to be scratched and so he promised remarkable payment for a quickie with his daughter-in-law. And how would you like to be the final brother that Judah was protecting? How would you like to be having sex with the woman that each of your brothers had been with? Now . . . that is just gnarly! No thanks. So, none of the brothers seemed to mind having sex with the same woman, and dad, Righteous and Holy Judah, had no problem sticking it to a prostitute.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There are still Apostles in the world today. Men and women who take the gospel to people who need to hear about Jesus.

WRONG.
There are NO female Apostles - and there never were.

Apostle is a "OFFICE" - and that office is called a "Bishopric" (Acts 1:20).
The office of Apostle wasa a successive office that was handed down through the centuries to other Bishops.

 

[Nancy]

What in the world? You are imposing ideas into Scripture that are completely unsubstantiated. If you can do that, and you want us all to believe you, when and if we do the same thing . . . why do you not believe us? It seems to me that you are enjoying a one-way street, here, and at what point does this one-way thinking stop? Can we just begin to assume anything we want, thus rewriting Scripture altogether?

I would be very, very careful if I were you. I do all that I can to ensure that what I teach is accurate. And if it isn't, I clean it up FAST!

Revelation 22:18-19 KJV - "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."

theefaith . . . I beg of you to please reconsider what you are teaching people. What you are doing is extremely dangerous, not only to your soul, but you may be leading many, many people astray. I beg of you to please reconsider. Please!

Hi 2nd Tim,
This is a battle that has been waged so many times on here. I'd have to say what it all bottoms out to is that, the CC holds The Church (theirs) as the final authority not scripture, as we do. JMHO! :)

 

[Pearl]

Hi 2nd Tim,
This is a battle that has been waged so many times on here. I'd have to say what it all bottoms out to is that, the CC holds The Church (theirs) as the final authority not scripture, as we do. JMHO! :)

I agree Nancy - same old, same old. And because the church preaches it then it must be true. So many deceived and misguided people.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely. There is nothing disgusting about God and the fact that he knits us ALL together within the wombs of our Mothers. What is more disgusting is having sex with a woman who is NOT known by God. And think of this: God can just as easily plant the Incorruptible, Indestructible Seed of Christ into Mary as He can plant the Holy Spirit within us.

YOU shou ask Uzzah (1 Chroin. 13:9-10) if he felt the same way YOU do . . .

 

[Pearl]

WRONG.
There are NO female Apostles - and there never were.

Apostle is a "OFFICE" - and that office is called a "Bishopric" (Acts 1:20).
The office of Apostle wasa a successive office that was handed down through the centuries to other Bishops.

Funny that as I have met apostles who are not bishops. Not sure about female ones though.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Funny that as I have met apostles who are not bishops. Not sure about female ones though.

Really?
So, they have a unbroken chain of succession that goes all the way back to the Eleven in Acts 1?

 

[Pearl]

Really?
So, they have a unbroken chain of succession that goes all the way back to the Eleven in Acts 1?

Don't we all.

 

[Sabertooth]

There is more than one James in the account of Jesus' life. Son of Zebedee is one, son of Alphaeus is another. And yet another is James, son of Mary and brother of Jesus.
Matthew 13:55
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

(It sounds like there were a lot of Jimmys & Johnnys running around back in the day. ;))

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

(Who didn't see that coming...?)

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Hi 2nd Tim,
This is a battle that has been waged so many times on here. I'd have to say what it all bottoms out to is that, the CC holds The Church (theirs) as the final authority, not scripture, as we do. JMHO! :)

Most people choose a Faith system that allows them to live like heathens . . . God forbid they ever believe in Colossians 2:9-15.

But . . . God has blinded the vast majority of people, hence the Holy Remnant. There are very, very few people alive who believes in the Actual Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . for none are able to define what the Work of Christ is.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't we all.

No - we don't.
YOU don't have an unbroken line of authoritative succession and neither do I.

What makes you think you do?