LuxMundi - this thread is for you.....please go on....

[APAK]

@LuxMundi ..this thread is for you and anyone else that would like to add or chime in.


Maria Valtorta was a Catholic Italian writer and poet, considered by many to be a mystic. She was born on March 14, 1897, in Caserta, Italy, and died on October 12, 1961, in Viareggio, Italy. Valtorta was a Franciscan tertiary and a lay member of the Servants of Mary. She claimed to have received personal conversations and dictations from Jesus Christ and Mary, which she documented in her handwritten notebooks. She is best known for her 5,000-page book "The Poem of the Man-God," first published in 1956, which details the life of Jesus as an extended narrative of the gospels.135+1
Valtorta's works have been influential among Catholics, but the Church has not approved her claims of divine inspiration. In fact, "The Poem of the Man-God" was included on the Index of Forbidden books until the abolition of the Index in the 1960s. Despite this, her writings have gained popularity and have been translated into multiple languages. She is buried at the Basilica of Santissima Annunziata in Florence.

Please explain why your beliefs seem to be influenced by Maria Valtorta as you were saying in the thread that just got closed down?
You were about to discuss how the process of incarnation works according to Maria Valtora.

I'm very keen to know this entire process of incarnation, and I believe many folks here would as well.

It can only add and support clarity and vision and knowledge for this CyB that its leadership should welcome with open arms



Please go on.....

 

[Magdala]

Valtorta's works have been influential among Catholics, but the Church has not approved her claims of divine inspiration. In fact, "The Poem of the Man-God" was included on the Index of Forbidden books until the abolition of the Index in the 1960s.

The first edition of The Poem of the Man-God was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been, because it had received verbal authorization for publication by Pope Pius XII, which is just as binding. Subsequent editions have received imprimaturs, and have been published and translated into various languages. The following excerpts are the Church’s current position regarding Maria Valtorta’s writings from The Current Juridic and Moral Value of the Index (with Maria Valtorta Case Study):

"The Index no longer has the force of ecclesiastical law; therefore, when one chooses to read, publish, or promote the Poem there is no violation of ecclesiastical law. The various letters issued by prelates in the decades following the abrogation of the Index on the subject of the Poem are not (with the exception of the imprimatur granted by Bishop Pakiam), juridically binding. Hence, a Catholic is permitted to think and act in ways different from the opinions expressed therein. For example, a Catholic who believes the Poem to be of supernatural origin or promotes it as such is not being disobedient to Bishop Tettamanzi’s letter, for the letter has no juridic weight."

" [...] Catholics are free to disagree with the opinions of prelates such as Ratzinger or Tettamanzi, who expressed critical opinions with regard to the Poem; or to disagree with prelates such as Kindukulam or Danylak, who expressed favorable opinions with regard to the Poem [...]

You were about to discuss how the process of incarnation works according to Maria Valtora.

For clarity, it's ultimately according to God, because I said that I will provide details surrounding the Incarnation of God given by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, which They dictated to Maria Valtorta.

I'm very keen to know this entire process of incarnation, and I believe many folks here would as well.

It can only add and support clarity and vision and knowledge for this CyB that its leadership should welcome with open arms

I hope that you're genuinely interested, and not only that, but going into this without prejudice, or preconceived notions, because all that's important. And, I'm excited to share the details about the Incarnation of God. It's a loving gift from God, and a wealth of information, so don't expect light reading. I will start putting together information after work. While you wait, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with Maria Valtorta and her Work more here from A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. It includes chapters covering various proofs that Maria Valtorta was a true spokesman of God.

 

[APAK]

The first edition of The Poem of the Man-God was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been, because it had received verbal authorization for publication by Pope Pius XII, which is just as binding. Subsequent editions have received imprimaturs, and have been published and translated into various languages. The following excerpts are the Church’s current position regarding Maria Valtorta’s writings from The Current Juridic and Moral Value of the Index (with Maria Valtorta Case Study):

"The Index no longer has the force of ecclesiastical law; therefore, when one chooses to read, publish, or promote the Poem there is no violation of ecclesiastical law. The various letters issued by prelates in the decades following the abrogation of the Index on the subject of the Poem are not (with the exception of the imprimatur granted by Bishop Pakiam), juridically binding. Hence, a Catholic is permitted to think and act in ways different from the opinions expressed therein. For example, a Catholic who believes the Poem to be of supernatural origin or promotes it as such is not being disobedient to Bishop Tettamanzi’s letter, for the letter has no juridic weight."

" [...] Catholics are free to disagree with the opinions of prelates such as Ratzinger or Tettamanzi, who expressed critical opinions with regard to the Poem; or to disagree with prelates such as Kindukulam or Danylak, who expressed favorable opinions with regard to the Poem [...]



For clarity, it's ultimately according to God, because I said that I will provide details surrounding the Incarnation of God given by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, which They dictated to Maria Valtorta.



I hope that you're genuinely interested, and not only that, but going into this without prejudice, or preconceived notions, because all that's important. And, I'm excited to share the details about the Incarnation of God. It's a loving gift from God, and a wealth of information, so don't expect light reading. I will start putting together information after work. While you wait, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with Maria Valtorta and her Work more here from A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. It includes chapters covering various proofs that Maria Valtorta was a true spokesman of God.

I will stay objective and listen to you since you have taken the time and effort. Count on it...APAK

 

[Magdala]

I will stay objective and listen to you since you have taken the time and effort. Count on it...APAK

Thank you so much, and I thank you on behalf of Maria who served God faithfully for almost a decade by writing down all that she heard and saw whilst suffering from an ovarian tumor, spinal lesion, and so on. She shouldn't have been able to write all that she did while suffering from all the physical ailments that she had, as well as know some of the information that she did before it was discovered and proven true after her death, etc., unless she had divine help. Ok, starting work, I'll talk to you later

 

[APAK]

I began reading your link to the pdf file....scanning it with absorbing much yet...one part of a page caught my eye..

Quite an intense one-on-one with Christ and why her infirmaries....

".....Jesus said to Maria Valtorta in a dictation to her: 312 You are a nothing. But I have called you to this mission. I formed you for this, watching over even your mental formation. I have given to you an uncommon faculty for composition, because I needed to make you the illustrator of My Gospel.... I have crucified you in heart and flesh for this. So that you could be free of any bondage of affection, and would be the mistress of many more hours of time than anyone who is healthy could have. I have suppressed in you even the physical needs of nourishment, of sleep, and of rest, reducing them to an insignificant minimum, for this. 294 In your body, tormented and consumed by five grave and painful major illnesses, and by another ten minor ones, I have increased your energy in order to bring you to be able to do that which a healthy and well-nourished person could not do, for this. And I would wish this to be understood as an authentic sign. But this arid and perverse generation understands nothing. ...You are a nothing. But into this, your "nothing," I have entered and said: "See, speak, write." That "nothing" has become My instrument. Her illnesses included progressive paralysis, myocarditis, an ovarian tumor, lung ailments, chronic peritonitis, volvulus, neuritis, a spinal lesion, and others. It was this compendium of illnesses that made her best doctor exclaim:31..."

 

[GTW27]

When The Lord speaks His words are perfect and flow like a river. Anyone who has stood in The Presence of The Lord would know that they are "nothing" and proclaim it while giving glory to The Lord. The gift of the discernment of spirits is given to The Body for a reason. The above words are from the same spirit that afflicted this woman. Blessings!

 

[Magdala]

I began reading your link to the pdf file....scanning it with absorbing much yet...one part of a page caught my eye..

Quite an intense one-on-one with Christ and why her infirmaries....

".....Jesus said to Maria Valtorta in a dictation to her: 312 You are a nothing. But I have called you to this mission. I formed you for this, watching over even your mental formation. I have given to you an uncommon faculty for composition, because I needed to make you the illustrator of My Gospel.... I have crucified you in heart and flesh for this. So that you could be free of any bondage of affection, and would be the mistress of many more hours of time than anyone who is healthy could have. I have suppressed in you even the physical needs of nourishment, of sleep, and of rest, reducing them to an insignificant minimum, for this. 294 In your body, tormented and consumed by five grave and painful major illnesses, and by another ten minor ones, I have increased your energy in order to bring you to be able to do that which a healthy and well-nourished person could not do, for this. And I would wish this to be understood as an authentic sign. But this arid and perverse generation understands nothing. ...You are a nothing. But into this, your "nothing," I have entered and said: "See, speak, write." That "nothing" has become My instrument. Her illnesses included progressive paralysis, myocarditis, an ovarian tumor, lung ailments, chronic peritonitis, volvulus, neuritis, a spinal lesion, and others. It was this compendium of illnesses that made her best doctor exclaim:31..."

Regarding the line "[...] because I needed to make you the illustrator of My Gospel", that is in reference to her visions that made up The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, which consists of scenes from Jesus's life on earth. In other words, the events that we read about in the four Gospels? Well, Jesus showed them and more to her in full, and then she wrote down all that she saw and heard with great detail, with divine help. It's a monumental Work and that's why He had to prepare her for it the way He described.

Additionally, Jesus said that this Work is not a fifth Gospel, and that there are four, and four there will remain, but that it fills in the gaps brought about by natural causes and supernatural will. He also said that the four Gospels are sufficient for bringing people to belief and salvation, but it's still an incomplete knowledge of Him, as we can all agree. This Work by Jesus through Maria brings the Gospel to life and helps us know Him more. He even dictated His seven reasons for this Work.

 

[APAK]

On break at work. So, that is in reference to her visions that made up The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, which consists of scenes from Jesus's life on earth. In other words, the events from Jesus's life that we read about in the four Gospels? Well, Jesus showed them and more to her in full, and then she wrote down all that she saw and heard with great detail, with Jesus's help. It's a monumental Work and that's why He had to prepare her for it the way He described.

Additionally, Jesus said that this Work is not a fifth Gospel, and that there are four, and four there will remain, but that it fills in the gaps brought about by natural causes and supernatural will. He also said that the four Gospels are sufficient for bringing people to belief and salvation, but it's still an incomplete knowledge of Him, as we can all agree. This Work by Jesus through Maria brings the Gospel to life and helps us know Him more. He even dictated His seven reasons for this Work.

I'm reading an actual copy of the poem, off the internet. Lots of pages..nearly 500

 

[Magdala]

Thank you for your patience while I put the following information together for you about the Holy Trinity, and the Incarnation of the Word (the Son), either spoken by Jesus during His three-year ministry, as seen and heard by Maria Valtorta via visions, or dictated by the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and Mary to Maria Valtorta directly:

Visions of scenes during Jesus's ministry, and dictations by Jesus, from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I:
A dictation by Jesus on August 31st, 1944 — Chapter 9
A dictation by Jesus (pp. 322-323) following a vision on February 13th, 1944 (chapter 100)
February 24th, 1945 — Chapter 116

Visions of scenes during Jesus's ministry from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II:
June 28th, 1945 — Chapter 203
July 3rd, 1945 — Chapter 207
August 20th, 1945 — Chapter 257
September 2nd, 1945 — Chapter 268

A vision of a scene during Jesus's ministry from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III:
November 8th, 1945 — Chapter 323

Visions of scenes during Jesus's ministry, and dictations by Jesus, from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV:
July 15th, 1946 — Chapter 455
July 30th, 1946 — Chapter 462
September 3rd, 1946 — Chapter 484
November 5th, 1946 — Chapter 523
A dictation by Jesus (pp. 497-498) following a vision on December 16th, 1946 (chapter 538)

Visions of scenes during Jesus's ministry, and dictations by Jesus, from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V:
January 15th, 1947 — Chapter 553
February 15th, 1947 — Chapter 565
March 9th, 1945 — Chapter 598
February 10th, 1944 — Chapter 599
April 22nd, 1947 — Chapter 631
A vision of a scene post-Ascension received by Maria on April 26th, 1947 — Chapter 635
A dictation by Jesus (pp. 461-462) following a vision on August 7th, 1944 (chapter 641)

The Notebooks: 1943
A dictation by Jesus on July 1st, 1943 — A Comparison of the Holy Trinity to Light (pp. 55-56)
A dictation by Jesus on August 16th, 1943 — Christ as the Firstborn and His Spiritual Kingdom (pp. 103-104)
A dictation by Jesus on August 28th, 1943 — The Eternal Knowledge of Events in Creation and the Eternal Immolation of Christ (pp.117-118)
A dictation by Jesus on September 4th, 1943 — Mary's Cooperation with Grace (pp. 122-123)
A dictation by Jesus on September 26th, 1943 — The Need for the Incarnation and Mary's Role (pp. 124-125)
A dictation by Jesus on November 3rd, 1943 — Jesus, Mary, and Joseph: Models of Obedience (pp. 189-190)
A dictation by the Father on November 18th, 1943 — The Voice of the Father (pp. 208-209)
A dictation by the Father on November 24th, 1943 — The Father's Words for Christians (pp. 214-215)
A dictation by Jesus on December 6th, 1943 — Christ's Tie to Israel (pp. 231-232)
A dictation by Mary on December 7th, 1943 — Mary's Explanation of Two Passages (p. 233)
A dictation by Jesus on December 11th, 1943 — Periods in the Life of the Church (pp. 239-240)
A dictation by the Holy Spirit on December 25th, 1943 — Words of the Holy Spirit (pp. 255-256)
A dictation by the Father on December 29th, 1943 — The Father's Lesson on the Name of His Son (pp. 260-261)

The Notebooks: 1944
A dictation by Jesus on January 4th, 1944 (pp. 10-11)
A dictation by Jesus on May 18th, 1944 (pp. 241-245)
A dictation by Jesus on July 14th, 1944 (pp. 374- 378)

The Notebooks: 1945-1950
A dictation by the Holy Spirit on June 1st, 1946 (pp. 265-266)
A dictation by Jesus on February 18th, 1947 (pp. 347-373)
A dictation by the Holy Spirit on May 16th, 1947 (pp. 397-398)
A dictation between September-November, 1950 (pp. 548-621)

The Little Notebooks
This isn't currently available online to read for free, but I own this book. So, I'll have to type out word for word the dictations in it.

[Note: the above isn't a comprehensive list]