Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[Hillsage]

In the LIKENESS

try to study why donlt you

Jesus did Not have a sin nature.

Uhh why don't you TRY TO TEACH IT I obviously have studied it and backed my study with SCRIPTURES to your apparent 'impaled chagrin.' Let me TRY again really simple this time.

SON you are the spittin IMAGE of your father.
VERSUS
SON you act just LIKE your Dad!

Final test Which of the above is talking about your hair eyeballs and dumb looks. And which one is talking about your CHARACTER.
IOW....listen to Momma up above.

Sin nature is the innate nature to sin. it is selfish, it must take care of self

it is different than human flesh. Which has free will

OK, I am/was a doctor, so must ask; Have you lost your fleshly BRAIN? It's the thing that TELLS your body what to do if it is alive. And if it tells you to be "angry""unforgiving" "anxious" or any of the things the bible says "DO NOT" to, then it will program sickness and death with those very same emotions. Merk's manual has every disease known to man in it, Read it, I did, but not all, and 80% of those diseases have an EMOTIONAL component associated with their origins. So much for YOUR BRAIN and iits FREE WILL being selfish and taking care of self/flesh. But that's just my professional dx. I'm sure you have more knowledge than I....according to your brain anyway. ;)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Uhh why don't you TRY TO TEACH IT I obviously have studied it and backed my study with SCRIPTURES to your apparent 'impaled chagrin.' Let me TRY again really simple this time.

SON you are the spittin IMAGE of your father.
VERSUS
SON you act just LIKE your Dad!

Final test Which of the above is talking about your hair eyeballs and dumb looks. And which one is talking about your CHARACTER.
IOW....listen to Momma up above.

OK, I am/was a doctor, so must ask; Have you lost your fleshly BRAIN? It's the thing that TELLS your body what to do if it is alive. And if it tells you to be "angry""unforgiving" "anxious" or any of the things the bible says "DO NOT" to, then it will program sickness and death with those very same emotions. Merk's manual has every disease known to man in it, Read it, I did, but not all, and 80% of those diseases have an EMOTIONAL component associated with their origins. So much for YOUR BRAIN and iits FREE WILL being selfish and taking care of self/flesh. But that's just my professional dx. I'm sure you have more knowledge than I....according to your brain anyway. ;)

It’s obvious you do not know the difference between the old nature. And the new nature given By God when we are saved.

I will leave you to your wisdom..

 

[Hillsage]

A few people have been saying this, and things like it.

Anyway, do you really think you have any realistic idea of what it would be like to be Adam in the garden? What his mentality would have been like?

Much love!

Like the song says "I can only imagine" and that's 'that's for sure'. But we all have opinions based upon....uhhh...yeah. I like to say "Everyone one has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't mean everyone's opinion is right.

1CO 2:11 For what person knows a man's thoughts (soul realm) except the spirit (spirit realm) of the man which is in him?


Gnite....I'm done here. Way to much time spent and another post still waiting...maybe, don't know. Not that spiritually minded...just fleshly minded....and that mind is tired.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

How do we separate from the will of God ?

Man has a nature brought to us via " the Adams Family Sins album." ( thanks @Hillsage ) In yielding to this adverse nature born in us, which is against the character & holiness of God, we commit sin, in our flesh. God is holy & righteous and cannot sin, neither will he accept sin.

John 12: 15-17
Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life , is NOT of the Father, but is of the world.

James 1:14-15
but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his OWN lust, and enticed.Then when lust hath CONCEIVED, it bringeth forth SIN: and sin when it is FINISHED, bringeth forth DEATH.

James warns us of the
CONSEQUENCE of giving into our desire, which is falling into sin.
When we say "yes" to the desire to do WHAT WE WANT, instead of trusting God and obeying Him, sin is born. Then sin grows up and produces death. Sin always leads to death. It is a death of the spirit in us to desire a relationship with him ! God said so ! We will then hide from God just as A & E did.

He will forgive you if you're truly repentant of your sins. If you keep doing the same sins over and over, that may not be the case, ( habitual sins) but sincere repentance will bring God's forgiveness.

However not so for this sin; blasphemy....which is unbelief of what God is.

Matthew 12:31-32
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but
blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. ( NEVER, EVER !)

Here is HOW we overcome.
Colossians 3 2
Set your mind on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.

 

[Ritajanice]

difference between the old nature. And the new nature given By God when we are saved.

I will leave you to your wisdom..

This makes sense....again my opinion....so, our old nature was in the first Adam?

Our new nature is now in the second Adam...Jesus?...when God, by his mercy and grace...brought us into his heavenly Kingdom, by Birthing us in the Spirit?

Colossians 3:10-20​

10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts.
17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.





Look at this verse closely, Brother..

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


Does this mean our human spirit must be Born of the Spirit....?....The Holy Spirit ....makes perfect sense to me, does it you?

Again, it’s just an opinion.....

Or is it...because if we look...God says, what he says above....that’s his living word.

Unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Which imo..means Born Again...?

We never stop learning and I love being led through scripture by the Holy Spirit......to really deeply study God’s word, through his Spirit....nothing better than that, Brother.

 

[MatthewG]

Who says that "close personal connection" was lost the moment they ate, OR even in the 24 hour period after they ate? Does that come from scripture or just the church????

My scripture I am presently basing my opinion on is this;
GEN 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Idk why people say these things. "Did this come from scripture, or some church teaching?" Just sharing information to consider, whether you took it all in or not... I cant tell. And if we can't freely think and decide for ourselves, and share with one another, idk what the point is in sharing thoughts, or information about the bible anyway. People tend to get so defensive over 'thats my bible, and these are my beliefs and if you dont believe like this; shame on you!" Is a response that can be sometimes given.

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ Ephesians 1 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians (Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This makes sense....again my opinion....so, our old nature was in the first Adam?

Our new nature is now in the second Adam...Jesus?...when God, by his mercy and grace...brought us into his heavenly Kingdom, by Birthing us in the Spirit?

Colossians 3:10-20​

10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts.
17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.





Look at this verse closely, Brother..

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


Does this mean our human spirit must be Born of the Spirit....?....The Holy Spirit ....makes perfect sense to me, does it you?

Again, it’s just an opinion.....

Or is it...because if we look...God says, what he says above....that’s his living word.

Unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Which imo..means Born Again...?

We never stop learning and I love being led through scripture by the Holy Spirit......to really deeply study God’s word, through his Spirit....nothing better than that, Brother.

Yes,

Our old nature was separated from God. So it was left with the task of replacing what we lost from God. It took whatever it could from whoever in order to satisfy its lusts and cravings. thinking that would satisfy him, yet it never did.

When God comes into our life. he gives birth to the spirit. and fills the void left when mankind sinned. so the flesh is rendered powerless. Because God now fills our every need.. We are new creatures. no longer tossed to and fro..

Sadly, I sometimes hate when we use religious terms.. Like spiritual death or life.. or other words.. I think it confuses people..

it is how we explain what happened at the beginning, and why we need so great a salvation. It can be hard to grasp.. Even myself struggle at times

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes,

Our old nature was separated from God. So it was left with the task of replacing what we lost from God. It took whatever it could from whoever in order to satisfy its lusts and cravings. thinking that would satisfy him, yet it never did.

When God comes into our life. he gives birth to the spirit. and fills the void left when mankind sinned. so the flesh is rendered powerless. Because God not fills our every need.. We are new creatures. no longer tossed to and fro..

Sadly, I sometimes hate when we use religious terms.. Like spiritual death or life.. or other words.. I think it confuses people..

it is how we explain what happened at the beginning, and why we need so great a salvation. It can be hard to grasp.. Even myself struggle at times

Ok, thank you....

 

[Ritajanice]

We are Born Again in the Spirit of God , therefore receive our new nature , who in Christ....our new nature is in Christ.

My opinion.

@Mathew...yes Brother, we can all voice our opinions...which doesn’t make them true...it’s good to voice with each other....thank you for that.

We are Born Again in the Spirit..not the nature....we receive that new nature when we have been birthed in the spirit..and not before.........our new nature is in Christ.....when we became born of God....by the power of the Holy Spirit...my opinion.

 

[amigo de christo]

We are Born Again in the Spirit of God , therefore receive our new nature , who in Christ....our new nature is in Christ.

My opinion.

@Mathew...yes Brother, we can all voice our opinions...which doesn’t make them true...it’s good to voice with each other....thank you for that.

We are Born Again in the Spirit..not the nature....we receive that new nature when we have been birthed in the spirit..and not before....my opinion.

There is an inclusivian that dwelleth amongst us sister . Just thought you might need to know that .
I often do not respond to a lot of posts , but it dont mean I DONT WATCH the peoples . THERE is an universal
inclusivian much closer than you realize . He knows i know who he is too . I just said this out of love and concern
and to be sure we continue to TEST all things folks say . Be on gaurd rita he is much closer than you realize .
Now , let us cling to the glorious LORD and stay well planted in our bibles . Keep learning and staying refreshed in scripture
and be in prayer . Now lift those hands and praise the glorious LORD .

 

[PinSeeker]

It's difficult for me to imagine how some believe Jesus to have been Himself corrupted by sin.

Agree. But, because He was also God, He remained uncorrupted.

Jesus did Not have a sin nature.

Not... solely. As God, he also had an anti-sin nature. :)

Jesus could have fallen.. But unlike us with a fallen nature. He could also resist. Because that was not his nature.

No, it was because He also had the full nature of God. Yes, He could have sinned, and in His humanness was prone to do so as we are. But in His Godliness, he was able, though tempted in every way you (we) are, to completely overcome His humanness. And thus, He is able to overcome your (our) humanness on your (our) behalf and redeem you (us) and reconcile you (us) to God. If it were otherwise, none of us would be saved; we would all still be without hope. This is how much God loves us.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[marks]

Not... solely.

Not at all!

Jesus was NOT corrupted by sin. That's what a "sin nature", as people call it, is. That claim is, to me, blasphemy.

The truth is, "sin nature" is something men say, not something the Bible says.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, it was because He also had the full nature of God. Yes, He could have sinned, and in His humanness was prone to do so as we are.

Thats where we disagree. He was not prone to sin. That was not his nature..

Again, He was not born with the nature to sin.. hence he was not prone to sin.. But that did not mean he could not sin..

 

[Ritajanice]

As God’s word says right here...who knew no sin in.

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" >2 Corinthians 5:21
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He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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" >Hebrews 4:15
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For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
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" >Luke 1:35
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The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
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"">1 John 3:5
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You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

 

[PinSeeker]

Not at all!

Okay, well, I disagree. I say that while He walked the earth, He was fully man... but also fully God.

Jesus was NOT corrupted by sin. That's what a "sin nature", as people call it, is.

No, those two things are not congruent. The sin nature speaks of our propensity to sin. In other words, since we have this sinful nature from birth, the fact ~ the inevitability, because of who/what we are ~ that we will sin, even though for a short time we may not have yet actually committed any sin. Likewise the sinless nature of God is His absolute propensity not to sin. Though we cannot fully wrap our minds around it, we know it's true that Jesus, from birth, had both.

That claim is, to me, blasphemy.

Well no, blasphemy would be claiming to be God when that's not the case... and also speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things, synonymous with irreverence and disrespect of God or Christ. No one here is doing either.

The truth is, "sin nature" is something men say, not something the Bible says.

When Paul, for example, speaks of the flesh, he is speaking of the sin nature. And in Ephesians 2:3, Paul says that before we were born again of the Spirit, we once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind, and (in Ephesians 2:5) dead in our sin/trespasses. This is the natural human condition.

That's where we disagree. He was not prone to sin. That was not his nature.

Well, okay. :) But I say again that that was not his only nature, He was also 100% God. I'm sure you will absolutely agree that God is more powerful... much, much, much more so... than man. And that's how/why He was able to remain sinless ~ this is what it means that He knew no sin; He did not commit sin; the verb "to know" in both the Hebrew of the Old Testament and the Greek of the New Testament means much, much more than mere cognitive knowledge, but an acting upon, even synonymous with "to love" ~ without blemish, the spotless Lamb of God.

Again, He was not born with the nature to sin.. hence he was not prone to sin.. But that did not mean he could not sin..

See, this statement ~ no offense intended, of course ~ doesn't make sense, and it's because it's an inadvertent conflation of two things.

Okay, so, to both of you (and @Ritajanice too)... think of it this way. James, in James 1:13, says God cannot be tempted. But the writer of Hebrews says that Jesus was tempted in every way we are (Hebrews 2:18, 4:15). Yet ~ yet ~ we know that Jesus is God. How do you reconcile those things, @Eternally Grateful (and @marks, and @Ritajanice)? How can those seemingly mutually exclusive... or opposing... statements be reconciled? They are not irreconciliable. :)

Grace and peace to you all!

 

[amadeus]

How was it possible for Adam to sin, if he didn’t have a sin nature like Jesus?

As a member just posted.

Jesus was the flawless sacrifice. Remember how carefully the natural children of Jacob/Israel had choose a lamb for their sacrifices? No blemishes or flaw allowed.

God knew that no man born of a carnal man and a carnal woman could qualify to complete this part of His plan. This is why Jesus was sent to be that sacrifice... tempted indeed, but always without sin... always flawless. He was the Door to open the Way for us.

Joh 10:7	Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8	All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9	I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

And also...

Ac 2:17	And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Ac 2:18	And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, okay. :) But I say again that that was not his only nature, He was also 100% God. I'm sure you will absolutely agree that God is more powerful... much, much, much more so... than man. And that's how/why He was able to remain sinless ~ this is what it means that He knew no sin; He did not commit sin; the verb "to know" in both the Hebrew of the Old Testament and the Greek of the New Testament means much, much more than mere cognitive knowledge, but an acting upon, even synonymous with "to love" ~ without blemish, the spotless Lamb of God

But it was not his nature. He did oto have a nature that needed him to serve self because he was in a relationship with God. He was not dead..

 

[PinSeeker]

We are Born Again in the Spirit of God , therefore receive our new nature , who in Christ....our new nature is in Christ.

Well, yes, but not yet completely. Otherwise we would now be sinless also (instead of, for now, no longer being condemned for our sin... because our our having been imputed the righteousness of Christ. Right?

But it was not his nature. He did oto have a nature that needed him to serve self because he was in a relationship with God. He was not dead..

He was fully God... and fully man. I will fully and absolutely agree with you that He was never dead in sin as we at one time were. I understand the difficulty of fathoming it... and don't claim in any way to fully fathom it myself. We cannot really relate to it, but we can understand it and accept it; it is what it is.

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well, yes, but not yet completely. Otherwise we would now be sinless also (instead of, for now, no longer being condemned for our sin... because our our having been imputed the righteousness of Christ. Right?

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

He was fully God... and fully man. I will fully and absolutely agree with you that He was never dead in sin as we at one time were. I understand the difficulty of fathoming it... and don't claim in any way to fully fathom it myself. We cannot really relate to it, but we can understand it and accept it; it is what it is.

There are some things we will never be able to fathom,Brother..just Praise God that he has saved us from eternal damnation.

Grace and peace to you both.