Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

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Show me where God says we inherited spiritual sin from Adam?

This is more regarding death than sin,

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 KJV
21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

What does this part mean to you?

Much love!

 

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Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In the day you eat . . . you shall surely die.

Do we believe these words, whether or not we understand them?

Did Adam die on that very day, or were God's Words proven false, even at the beginning of history?

Some will say, they began to die, but this is clearly not what the Bible itself says, so if we are going to stand on the very words of God, those were His words.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

This is more regarding death than sin,

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 KJV
21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

What does this part mean to you?

Much love!

In Adam all die...we all die physically.

We are made alive in Christ by becoming Born of the Spirit.

Number 21 what does that mean to you?

 

[Ritajanice]

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In the day you eat . . . you shall surely die.

Do we believe these words, whether or not we understand them?

Did Adam die on that very day, or were God's Words proven false, even at the beginning of history?

Some will say, they began to die, but this is clearly not what the Bible itself says, so if we are going to stand on the

Some will say they began to die...this is clearly not what the Bible itself says...please clarify?

Adam and Eve died physically did they not?...so how can this be untrue?..my opinion again.

very words of God, those were His words.

Much love!

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You didn’t, because you added your own words to God’s word...you added spiritual.

Nope

I took the whole of the scripture to see what God says concerning this death.

And came up with what most people in the church believe and call it. we are seperated from God spiritually (hence the name)

 

[Ritajanice]

Some will say, they began to die, but this is clearly not what the Bible itself says, so if we are going to stand on the very words of God, those were His words.

God said they will die....so, it can be interpreted that they would die a physical death , and they did ,did they not..again my opinion?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is your own understanding of scripture..it’s not biblical.

show me otherwise

Plus imo with respect, it doesn’t make sense.

show me something that makes more sense

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not sure how we could know what Adam did or didn't know, or how he acted prior to that, can we?

How long was it after his creation that he sinned?

Much love!

did he walk with God. did he know God?

why did he think he was naked. Why did he blame God for his sin

why did he try to hid from God.

All these things show the things of God became foolish or hard to understand for him.

 

[Ritajanice]

Nope

I took the whole of the scripture to see what God says concerning this death.

And came up with what most people in the church believe and call it. we are seperated from God spiritually (hence the name)

Yes you did.

You dismissed the word of God...when I said they did not die spiritually, God did not say that.

Most of the church that believe this, can believe what they like.

I don’t...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God said they will die...therefore I see it differently to you..what I mean is they will die one day.

Couldn’t they have lived forever?

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'

physically yes.

but he did not die physically. nor were we born dead physically

 

[Ritajanice]

show me otherwise

show me something that makes more sense

I’ve already quoted God’s word.

I said your post does not make sense to me!.......again you are twisting my words and adding your own.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes you did.

You dismissed the word of God...when I said they did not die spiritually, God did not say that.

Most of the church that believe this, can believe what they like.

I don’t...

no I did not dismiss it all all

the fact you can not tell me what death they died just shows me that I must be right

again, I am open, show me what death they died.. I am open.

 

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Some will say they began to die...this is clearly not what the Bible itself says...please clarify?

God said that on the day Adam ate from the tree he would die. You seem to think this means he actually died on a different day, but "began to die" on that day. I don't see that being allowed by the text.

Adam and Eve died physically did they not?...so how can this be untrue?..my opinion again.

They did, but not on that day.

Genesis 3:22 KJV
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

How then can these things be true, all true? Did he die or not? Could he still live forever or not? To me the only way each of these passages can be fully and exactly true is if there are different "kinds" of life. Athe Bible teaches, "and you has He made alive" Ephesians 2 how did He make you alive? Were you already alive?

In Adam all die...we all die physically.

We are made alive in Christ by becoming Born of the Spirit.

I hadn't died physically yet when Christ made me alive, though.

Number 21 what does that mean to you?

Can you be more specific?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’ve already quoted God’s word.

I said your post does not make sense to me!.......again you are twisting my words and adding your own.

why are you being this way? Is it because you said something to another member and someone said you were incorrect? Is it pride?

 

[Ritajanice]

physically yes.

but he did not die physically. nor were we born dead physically

Who didn’t die physically?...they died in old age did they not?...that’s physical death...my opinion

Nor were we born physically....I was born of flesh..from my mother womb.

 

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God said they will die....so, it can be interpreted that they would die a physical death , and they did ,did they not..again my opinion?

Except, God said that on the very day he ate, on that day he would die.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

God said that on the day Adam ate from the tree he would die. You seem to think this means he actually died on a different day, but "began to die" on that day. I don't see that being allowed by the text.

He started dying the day he ate the fruit...prove he wasn’t then in scripture...again my opinion.

They did, but not on that day.

I didn’t say they died on that day did I?

Genesis 3:22 KJV
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

How then can these things be true, all true? Did he die or not? Could he still live forever or not? To me the only way each of these passages can be fully and exactly true is if there are different "kinds" of life. Athe Bible teaches, "and you has He made alive" Ephesians 2 how did He make you alive? Were you already alive?



I hadn't died physically yet when Christ made me alive, though.

Neither have I,I’m still alive physically.

Can you be more specific?

Much love!

Can you be more specific also.

 

[Ritajanice]

Except, God said that on the very day he ate, on that day he would die.

Much love!

Which can be interpreted as he would die physically...

 

[Ritajanice]

Except, God said that on the very day he ate, on that day he would die.

Much love!

Show me where God said.

On that very day he ate, on that day he would die?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In Adam all die...we all die physically.

thats not the death spoken of here.

That is why we must be born again. because we are dead in tresspasses and sins

We are made alive in Christ by becoming Born of the Spirit.

Number 21 what does that mean to you?

Born of the spirit. spiritual birth, or spiritual life, as compared to spiritual death