Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses
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St. SteVen
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@Hillsage
This is an interesting reference below.
The word "holy" appears in the Greek in the first instance of "spirit", which infers definite article as [the]. ???
The second "spirit" has the definite article but does not have "holy".
Luke 4: NIV
Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
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Hillsage
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Brother SteVen, now you are complicating that which I am trying to bring up from the deep to those who won't go deep. WHY? Because they think they are Holy Spirit led and don't need the words of 'truth' that comes from the fivefold ministry whose job it is to bring the body of CHRIST into "the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ;" . One of those is words from PROPHETS and another is 'words' from TEACHERS.
EPH 4:11* And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
13* until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ;
Now I'll answer your question.
JESUS is an exception to the rule. Because his spirit never had to be BORN AGAIN into the spirit of Christ IN HIM. He was born with the spirit we weren't born with.
That's why scripture said;
HEB 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.
He wasn't made like all humans in every respect because no human but Him ever had the spirit of Christ DWELLING IN them. Oh sure that HOLY SPIRIT did touch the hearts of PROPHETS in the old testement when it was revealing the things of God to men through them. But that spirit didn't DWELL permanently IN THEM like it does IN US.
1PE 1:10 The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation;
11 they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory.
Anyway, back to your question.
In the Greek...SOMETIMES...when it is talking about ''the spirit" WITH the definite article, it is talking about 'the spirit' we received from God (before and after new birth), or it is talking about 'the spirit' Jesus received from God (at birth). In those verses you really need to check the CONTEXT to correctly determine the interpretation.
You should have noticed in your EPH 4:1 GREEK INTERLINEAR translation the Greek says 'spirit holy'. But sometimes it says 'holy spirit '? Say WHAT?? And in your verse of question I believe it is talking about Jesus being full of the Christ spirit which was holy and it was that spirit which led Him into the wilderness to have His soul tested/tempted by the devil concerning the words that should be spoken when HE or any of US is tempted. He certainly didn't do any supernatural miracles in the wilderness.
That would have been manifesting the POWER of the person of THE SPIRIT of GOD. BUT Jesus proved His character worthy enough that GOD could trust Jesus with THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST in Him, to speak the WORDS FROM GOD WITHOUT MEASURE. JOHN 3;34
EW Bullinger in his Word Study on the Holy Spirit Book concerning John 3:34 says: ""This verse would be better translated "He whom God hath sent (Jesus) speaketh the words of God: for THE Spirit (Of Christ in Him) giveth not the words of God by measure unto Him. (His soul)""
The GREEN is mine above.
Eternally Grateful
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I am blessed. By a great salvation and savior
Hillsage
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Now I'll tell you why your scriptures 'above' aren't talking about the only "a great salvation" you think there is.
KJV 1TI 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,
I throw this translation in just to show which spirit is correctly not capitalized. Also in Revised Version and Rotherhams Trans.
YLT 1TI 3:16 and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety - God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit,
But notice what SALVATION Romans 4 is referring to in the post above. It is the salvation of our SPIRIT which is saved by JUSTIFICATION. And 'that salvation' is the only salvation of our triune being, which is Once Saved Always Saved.
Grace is the power to do the works. Jesus was FULL of GRACE/POWER after dwelling among us for 33 years. He started with none in Him as a child and grew into being full of it as an adult.
LUK 2:40 And the child grew, and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
JOH 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
Hum, the GRACE of God started out UPON him as a child, but filled Him more and more as he "grew stronger in the SPIRIT" OF CHRIST which was in Him. That's also why "I can do all things THROUGH (the) CHRIST (SPIRIT) IN ME too.
JESUS DID THE WORK FOR THE FIRST SALVATION A TRIUNE HUMAN GETS....THAT IS OUR SPIRIT. WE DON'T WORK FOR THAT SALVATION. WE RECEIVE IT BY ACCEPTING BY FAITH THE MERITORIOUS WORK & GRACE THAT JESUS DID FOR US.
And Jesus needed UNDESERVED FAVOR from God, in order to do so....according to 'the church's grace definition anyway.
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Eternally Grateful
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Let's not forget .....God new we would fail in our true commitment...the reason He gave us unlimited number of times of sin forgiveness. All we have to do is ...the best of efforts and ask forgiveness
Also remember the Lords prayer for daily use...."forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...".
Further, if any thought was given to OSAS...there would have been to need for God's judgement after physical death.
Sounds like we can go ahead and live in all the sin we want, and just occasionally mumble a little something to the Lord about forgiveness and it's all good.
Un intelligence cannot mask it's presence.
Obviously u do not understand ......what best of efforts means......your level will come round..... if you can find common sense. Study will help.
You ...mumble....... to God for forgiveness? I would not chance that.
Be blessed.
Eternally Grateful
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Typical of someone who has never experienced Gods forgiveness?
Gods people do not want to sin.. They are new creatures.. Your straw man fails
I'm not the one speaking sin friendly that the devil peoples are
And yet the false teachers you follow and idolize keep telling everyone that it's not possible to lose your salvation EVEN if they were to live in sin.
Eternally Grateful
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Nor are we who hold to eternal security speaking of sin friendly things
lol
John said a child born of God can not live in sin.. No one I follow or fellowship believes a child can live in sin.. we believe in the POWER OF GOD to change people.
So again, your straw man argument is refuted.
Sure you do! You OSAS peoples are living in sin by preaching OSAS since God's Word does not teach that.
REPENT sinner!
And yet a;; you OSAS people go on living in sin by telling everyone it's not possible for one to lose their salvation which is in direct opposition to God's Word.
Eternally Grateful
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I have eternal life.
Not conditional life
You repent sinner
John said we can not live in sin because we have been born of God
You can spout the nonsense all you want. Your calling John a liar
Now when will you trust God to change you? if you have not already, and if you have, Why are you attacking others?
mailmandan
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This is "type 2 works salvation" or salvation by works at the back door.
mailmandan
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Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
St. SteVen
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