Living in Sin or just roommates who love each other?

[amigo de christo]

I wonder, were you saved then brother, when you stepped out on your wife? And if not...does it still stand that one must remain single, as we were forgiven all our past sins?
Your thoughts?

No , i was not really following GOD at all . I had been going to church and knew about Jesus .
God kept me safe and from remarriage . Later , After coming to HIM , i learned the truth in the scriptures .
What great peace i had , even when i read and learned i could never remarry , still my joy was in just learning and growing in the LORD .
He always gave me joy in the truth . Its a beauty that is hard to desribe . A peace that truly is hard to describe .
The only way i can really say it is , its a peace that passes all understanding . THUS i , by grace , point others to that same truth in all
things JESUS taught and said . In the end , when all is said and done , what really mattered was DID WE KNOW and LOVE CHRIST .
Try and compare this life to eternal life . WE CANT . This life is but a blink compared to eternity as eternity has no end .
ALL that matters is that we KNOW JESUS and if our jesus is not the bibilcal one , well then you know why i did not captilize that last jesus
cause it aint HIM . I have learned and that by marvleous grace , that IF JESUS said to do we do and we LOVE IT and HIS sayings
are truly peace , joy and brings great peace unto the hearer and the doer , but those same words will be the judge
to all who did reject them . We cannot seperate GOD from HIS WORD , JESUS FROM HIS WORD . WE should just live
and eat by every WORD OF THE LORD . OH to even be reminded of that , JUST NOW , brought great joy and much peace to my heart .
THE LORD IS MY HOPE , and the ONLY HOPE of any .

 

[Enoch111]

Are they living in sin?

Not according to your scenario. But why would they not simply get married and move on?

 

[bbyrd009]

Not according to your scenario. But why would they not simply get married and move on?

“they have no desire to get married this late in life”
apparently

 

[amigo de christo]

I feel like someone is hitting me in the bottoms of my feet with a board. I was supposed to eat 3 hours ago but the pain's just got me tied up. I gotta make myself eat.

Truman , no doubt about it , that sounds like dire pain . I hope what i say next will at least encourage you .
We will pray for you my friend . The dire pain you are in now , can be healed my friend , but for sure in the next life
there will be no more pain , no more suffering . FOR LAMBS . Notice i said for lambs .
Cause on your worst day , the pain that racks your body on its worst day is like a harvest of joy compared to the torment of those
who rejected JESUS . JUST as the promise of eternal life is real , so is eternal damnation . CLING TO JESUS and have ALL HOPE IN HIM .

 

[Enoch111]

“they have no desire to get married this late in life” -- apparently

Well, you know as well as I do that that is pure baloney. They have at least another 20 to 30 years before them.

 

[Nancy]

No , i was not really following GOD at all . I had been going to church and knew about Jesus .
God kept me safe and from remarriage . Later , After coming to HIM , i learned the truth in the scriptures .
What great peace i had , even when i read and learned i could never remarry , still my joy was in just learning and growing in the LORD .
He always gave me joy in the truth . Its a beauty that is hard to desribe . A peace that truly is hard to describe .
The only way i can really say it is , its a peace that passes all understanding . THUS i , by grace , point others to that same truth in all
things JESUS taught and said . In the end , when all is said and done , what really mattered was DID WE KNOW and LOVE CHRIST .
Try and compare this life to eternal life . WE CANT . This life is but a blink compared to eternity as eternity has no end .
ALL that matters is that we KNOW JESUS and if our jesus is not the bibilcal one , well then you know why i did not captilize that last jesus
cause it aint HIM . I have learned and that by marvleous grace , that IF JESUS said to do we do and we LOVE IT and HIS sayings
are truly peace , joy and brings great peace unto the hearer and the doer , but those same words will be the judge
to all who did reject them . We cannot seperate GOD from HIS WORD , JESUS FROM HIS WORD . WE should just live
and eat by every WORD OF THE LORD . OH to even be reminded of that , JUST NOW , brought great joy and much peace to my heart .
THE LORD IS MY HOPE , and the ONLY HOPE of any .

Yes, it is a peace that surpasses all understanding.
When I too FINALLY came to terms that I would be single for life, same thing brother! Not at first though, as I was a pew warmer back then but, He DID show me that He was my provider and lover of my soul so...instantly recognized that yes! I am CONTENT and then some! And this realization came a good 8 or so years back, although was already single for years before that. Oh this neighborhood heard some nice LOUD praise and worship from this house for sometime, lol! I've turned the volume down a bit though as it was quite loud!
Thanks for sharing brother.
He IS our identity anyhow, we do not "need" another "person" to make us whole, Amen.

 

[Nancy]

Well, you know as well as I do that that is pure baloney. They have at least another 20 to 30 years before them.

Hmm, could be that the woman is still under her husbands SS and does not want to give that up...? I know of a couple like that, they are in their late 70's early 80's. Not saved but, were born and raised Catholic and so they will remain...they don't seem to care much about hearing about Jesus or the bible.

 

[Rita]

My dad left my mum for another women when he was in his 70’s, then he changed his mind and went back, then left again , then returned again. After my mum passed away he started seeing her again and they have been together ( but not living together ) ever since. He will be 90 in two weeks. This lady was his very first love when he was a teenager, then she moved away. She returned after mum and dad were married.
They love each other but would drive each other nuts if they lived in the same house all the time !!

 

[Grailhunter]

I don’t think that is always reality, sadly. Children can be just as damaged when parents stay in a relationship that isn’t working. My oldest children were relieved when the marriage ended because they knew about his affairs and he swore them into secrecy, my oldest tried to end his life because of the guilt, that’s how I eventually found out about all the years of unfaithfulness. My son collapsed into my arms one day and asked for my forgiveness, this was three months after his attempt on his life. He was 27, his dad ‘ confided in him ‘ when he was 15 years old.
Rita

I have a lot of reasons for why I handle relationships they way I do. Some of it is biblical, some experiences, not necessary all mine, and some of it historical.

Basically keep it simple Sam. I treat women with respect, particularly the ones I love. I do not carouse for one night stands.
I believe marriage is for couples that are in love. People that are not in love should not be married. People that are married to abusive relationships should not feel they are on a ball and chain. Too much of that....they end up on the 5 O' Clock news. Abusive relationships cannot produce a good home for Children. They know and can pick up some bad habits.

Going to prayer and counseling is always good, and like Paul said spend some time apart and see if that is what you want or you can work it out. but I am not going to condemn people that marry after a failed marriage

Adultery is whole new ball game. My first wife committed adultery and got pregnant by the guy. Then again should it be an instant latch for divorce?

 

[GaryAnderson]

Do you guys view “The Church” as something evil?

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you guys view “The Church” as something evil?

Not the true church , just rome and her sold out protestant daughters . The true church is full of lambs that love
the BIBICAL JESUS and ALL TRUTH .

 

[GaryAnderson]

Not the true church , just rome and her sold out protestant daughters . The true church is full of lambs that love
the BIBICAL JESUS and ALL TRUTH .

This is a pretty good answer but I wonder if a person can be deceived by pride in his or hers interpretation of the Bible.
I mean if two people talk about God, that’s a church.
This forum is a virtual church.
If you don’t want “a church” then you need to be alone and pray. But some of you have a problem with monks who do this. So it’s all very confusing.

 

[Enoch111]

But some of you have a problem with monks who do this. So it’s all very confusing.

God did not plan for monks to isolate themselves from those around them. Neither does God want a man and woman living in close proximity without getting married. If they don't want to get married he should join the monks, and she should join the nuns. Then they will wish they had gotten married.

 

[GaryAnderson]

God did not plan for monks to isolate themselves from those around them. Neither does God want a man and woman living in close proximity without getting married. If they don't want to get married he should join the monks, and she should join the nuns. Then they will wish they had gotten married.

But if two or more people read the Bible and arrive at different conclusions, then what say you?

 

[Enoch111]

But if two or more people read the Bible and arrive at different conclusions, then what say you?

I would say that one party is mistaken. So go back and study the Bible until there is agreement. There should be total agreement on fundamentals.

 

[GaryAnderson]

I would say that one party is mistaken. So go back and study the Bible until there is agreement. There should be total agreement on fundamentals.

Noble goal. As we find ourselves in the midst of hundreds of denominations, one thing that unites us all is Jesus Christ.

 

[TEXBOW]

Well, you know as well as I do that that is pure baloney. They have at least another 20 to 30 years before them.

I've really enjoyed catching up and reading the responses after being out of town. WOW. First the couple in the OP is fictitious. For the record I'm 62 and happily married.

Could it not be possible to love someone and care for them deeply but not the kind of love that would cause you to marry? I understand Paul's message on the avoidance of a stumbling block but I'm not so sure that if just getting out of bed in the morning is not a stumbling block for some people these days. Some individuals can stumble over someone sending a Hallmark card. I'm not sold on the stumbling block argument in this scenario.

I also see some try to make the argument that the Church should lock the doors and not let sinners in. I'm certain if you think that an examination is necessary. Now I do think the scriptures gives us guidance on a Church member's or person of leadership within the Church related to their sinful behavior. The scriptures gives us clear steps to take. BUT in step one if it is discovered that no sin is actually being committed than no need for step 2. At that point you have an embarrassed elder who's judgement might be in question.

I can think of many people that I love dearly that do not love in the way you should love a spouse. It could get silly. What if they each live in an attached duplex and one provide cooking services and the other cleaning services and visited each other 6 hours a day? Looks like some Church members would desire to put together a posse and cast them into the lake of fire.

 

[Nancy]

God did not plan for monks to isolate themselves from those around them. Neither does God want a man and woman living in close proximity without getting married. If they don't want to get married he should join the monks, and she should join the nuns. Then they will wish they had gotten married.

 

[Nancy]

I've really enjoyed catching up and reading the responses after being out of town. WOW. First the couple in the OP is fictitious. For the record I'm 62 and happily married.

Could it not be possible to love someone and care for them deeply but not the kind of love that would cause you to marry? I understand Paul's message on the avoidance of a stumbling block but I'm not so sure that if just getting out of bed in the morning is not a stumbling block for some people these days. Some individuals can stumble over someone sending a Hallmark card. I'm not sold on the stumbling block argument in this scenario.

I also see some try to make the argument that the Church should lock the doors and not let sinners in. I'm certain if you think that an examination is necessary. Now I do think the scriptures gives us guidance on a Church member's or person of leadership within the Church related to their sinful behavior. The scriptures gives us clear steps to take. BUT in step one if it is discovered that no sin is actually being committed than no need for step 2. At that point you have an embarrassed elder who's judgement might be in question.

I can think of many people that I love dearly that do not love in the way you should love a spouse. It could get silly. What if they each live in an attached duplex and one provide cooking services and the other cleaning services and visited each other 6 hours a day? Looks like some Church members would desire to put together a posse and cast them into the lake of fire.

Okay, now...SIX hours is pushin it! lol.
God knows who are His. They will obey Him and not put a stumbling block before others purposely. We are to judge rightly, and not by appearances. But then how to reconcile:
1 Thessalonians 5:22 ?
"22 Abstain from all appearance of evil."

We can become virtual slaves of how all or any see us! God only judges righteously and perfectly, IMHO.

No stumbling blocks. Like, do not openly have an alcoholic beverage in the presence of one who has struggles with it and is trying to abstain. I have seen MANY try to push alcohol on recovering alcoholics and even back in those days I thought it was a terrible thing. If you are a smoker and one is trying to give it up, do not smoke in their presence. Things like this should be no brainers but, the OP is chock full of gray areas, for sure!
In Him,
nancy

 

[Bob Estey]

Two seniors in their 70's one widowed one divorced love each other. They decide to move in together. They have no desire to get married this late in life. They have separate bedrooms, no sexual relations, no joint bank accounts but truly love each other and for the most part are viewed as in a relationship.

Are they living in sin?

It would seem to me there is no sin till sexual relations commence.