Limited atonement !

[brightfame52]

The Cross of Christ is not "compatible" with any "doctrine of devils" that teaches that Jesus's Sacrifice is not John 3:16....."for the World".. and "whosoever" will believe.

So, Hyper-Calvinism.... the 5 points, TULIP>.....is a Cross Rejecting LIE that is spread by people who are very deceived.

See, "CHRISTians" lead you to JESUS.
Whereas lying Calvinists' come to a "Christian forum" and try to lead you to Calvin and His Theology, that started with Him, and was evolved by other demon possessed Calvinists.
Mods should not allow this to happen...Not EVER.

See Reader, JESUS is not a Calvinst......and Jesus would never lead you to this Devil's theology....... whereas a "5 point, hyper calvinists' will try to take you into Calvin's deceptions, and ruin your faith for life.
Its what they do on Forums...Its their Ministry...........which is to try to deceive you with not just Calvin's teaching......but the evolved version of it.........the "Hyper Calvinism"

Jn 3:16 is about limited atonement. The world there is the elect from the Gentiles

 

[Ritajanice]

Jn 3:16 is about limited atonement. The world there is the elect from the Gentiles

All those who have been birthed ,supernaturally by the Living Spirit Of God......some men in their arrogance think that they can invite themselves to become Born Of The Spirit...imo.

Those who have been supernaturally birthed imo are the elect of God.

Limited atonement to me means.....Born Of The Spirit...by the will of God....chosen and predestined to become Born Again....before the foundation of the world...mind blowing.

Does Gods word say....that all will be Born Again...if it does, I can’t find it.

God doesn’t say that we must believe to see the Kingdom Of God.

God says....that we must be “ Born Again “ to see the Kingdom Of God.

 

[Behold]

Jn 3:16 is about limited atonement. The world there is the elect from the Gentiles

You took Hyper Calvinism trash theology and rewrote John 3:16.

Not a good idea to rewrite the bible according to a "doctrine of devils".

 

[Behold]

Does Gods word say....that all will be Born Again...if it does, I can’t find it.

God's word says that all who believe in Jesus shall be saved.....and being saved is to be born again.

And God's word says that if you put your faith in Christ then Christ will give you eternal life, and eternal life is Salvation, and having Salvation is the proof a person is born again.

 

[Behold]

Dont expect me to go out of my way to explain all the sound bites you can muster up,

She's not interested in being deceived by a Hyper Calvinist.
She's not into believing the Devil's lies.

 

[Ritajanice]

God's word says that all who believe in Jesus shall be saved.....and being saved is to be born again.

That is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit ...we are saved from eternal damnation once our spirit is Born Again.

And God's word says that if you put your faith in Christ then Christ will give you eternal life, and eternal life is Salvation, and having Salvation is the proof a person is born again.

Gods word says that we are Born Of The Spirit.....we have eternal life after we are Born Of The Spirit.

You need God’s Living testimony to deliver you from sin.....when Spirit gives birth to spirit.you said you believe the Bible.

I say I believe the testimony of the Living Spirit....just as his word says...the Bible is not God..

 

[Behold]

That is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit ..

Being born of the Spirit, happens, after you give God your Faith in Christ.

God accepts YOUR Faith, then forgives YOUR sin, and then He performs the New Birth..... (Born.. again)

..we have eternal life after we are Born Of The Spirit.

Yes, we can't have Eternal Life, until we receive it from God, as "the Gift of Eternal Life".

You need God’s Living testimony to deliver you from sin.

No, we need the shed blood and death of Jesus on The Cross, as this is how God forgives our sin.

How can you not know why Jesus died on The Cross ?????????????????

Have you turned into Episkopos.????......as He also can't understand why Jesus died on The Cross.

There is no other sacrifice for our sin, as Its only found on The Cross.

..the Bible is not God..

The Bible is From God, and in the Bible are the words of God.
The bible is "God breathed"..

Jesus said... that the word of God "spoke of Him". regarding having eternal life.......and He should know, as He authored the Bible.......through anointed vessels.

 

[Ritajanice]

Being born of the Spirit, happens, after you give God your Faith in Christ.

God accepts YOUR Faith, then forgives YOUR sin, and then He performs the New Birth..... (Born.. again)

That is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit....our spirit is birthed by the Living seed of God...we are Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?

Yes, we can't have Eternal Life, until we receive it from God, as "the Gift of Eternal Life".

We can’t have eternal life..not until our spirit is birthed into the Spirit of God = Spirit gives birth to spirit?

No, we need the shed blood and death of Jesus on The Cross, as this is how God forgives our sin.

How can you not know why Jesus died on The Cross ?????????????????

I do know why Jesus died on the cross....you are the one who is accusing me of not knowing why Jesus had to die on that cross....so that our spirit can become Born Again by the will of God.....no Jesus, death and resurrection..then no reconciliation back to God....we are reconciled back to God when, Spirit gives birth to spirit...you have no say in that supernatural rebirth.

Have you turned into Episkopos.????......as He also can't understand why Jesus died on The Cross.

LOL...not worth a reaction...Praise God.

There is no other sacrifice for our sin, as Its only found on The Cross.

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus..that our “ spirit “ can then be reconciled back to the “ Living Spirit “ Of God..

The Bible is From God, and in the Bible are the words of God.
The bible is "God breathed"..

The Bible is not God..it confirms it’s not God..God is Alive and Active in Spirit...he is not contained in the Bible...His Living Spirit is everywhere.

Jesus said... that the word of God "spoke of Him". regarding having eternal life.......and He should know, as He authored the Bible.......through anointed vessels.

Like I explained....the Living Spirit testifies with our spirit who God is...the Bible also confirms this.

 

[Behold]

That is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit....our spirit is birthed by the Living seed of God...

"The preaching of The Cross is the Power of God, unto Salvation, for everyone who Believes"". Paul teaches.

"The preaching of the Cross"" is : The Gospel

We can’t have eternal life..not until our spirit is birthed into the Spirit of God = Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Yes, the HS, who is God, birth's the believer's Spirit, as "born again"/

I do know why Jesus died on the cross.

Me too.
Jesus died For your sin, and mine, and for the sin of the entire """"WORLD"""... .. John 3:16.

This is what Jesus means when He said....>"I came into the world to save sinners".

He is saving them, on The Cross........One person at a time, who gives their Faith in Christ , to God.

LOL...not worth a reaction...Praise God.

Well,. you are reacting, yet, you told me 90mins ago you were finished discussing all this with me.

But here you are...

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus..that our “ spirit “ can then be reconciled back to the “ Living Spirit “ Of God..

Yes... had Jesus not shed His blood and died.. then God would have no means to forgive our sin, so that He can then save us.

The Bible is not God.

Can you tell us who told you that the Bible "is God"?

So, as i said.. the bible is GOD BREATHED........its Spiritual......its a Light for our path and a lamp for our feet. Its the roadmap to heaven.. Its our spiritual food. Its our Revelation Knowledge.

 

[brightfame52]

You took Hyper Calvinism trash theology and rewrote John 3:16.

Not a good idea to rewrite the bible according to a "doctrine of devils".

You calling the Truth trash ! Judgment day is approaching friend

 

[brightfame52]

She's not interested in being deceived by a Hyper Calvinist.
She's not into believing the Devil's lies.

I Could care less

 

[Ritajanice]

"The preaching of The Cross is the Power of God, unto Salvation, for everyone who Believes"". Paul teaches.

"The preaching of the Cross"" is : The Gospel

That is not how we are Born Of The Spirit....I go by Gods Living testimony..the Living Spirit...the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit.

Yes, the HS, who is God, birth's the believer's Spirit, as "born again"/

Me too.
Jesus died For your sin, and mine, and for the sin of the entire """"WORLD"""... .. John 3:16.

The word does not say that the whole world...will become Born Again....that is up to God...man has no say in the matter.

This is what Jesus means when He said....>"I came into the world to save sinners".

He is saving them, on The Cross........One person at a time, who gives their Faith in Christ , to God.

So you keep saying...but...that is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit....those are your words.

Well,. you are reacting, yet, you told me 90mins ago you were finished discussing all this with me.

LOL....I thought this was a different topic....oh well...never mind...

But here you are...

LOL.

Yes... had Jesus not shed His blood and died.. then God would have no means to forgive our sin, so that He can then save us.

So that he can birth us in the Spirit...then and only then are we saved from eternal damnation.

Can you tell us who told you that the Bible "is God"?

Quite a few on here at one time...mentioning no names..

So, as i said.. the bible is GOD BREATHED........its Spiritual...

The Bible was written under the influence of the Spirit, by men.....God is who we are to seek out...his heart that is....and one can only seek the heart of God out, if one’s spirit is Born Again.

...its a Light for our path and a lamp for our feet. Its the roadmap to heaven.. Its our spiritual food. Its our Revelation Knowledge.

My revelation knowledge is delivered to my heart...I then go to the word..to see / read if what I heard came from the Living Spirit Of God who indwells my spirit.


Not everything about God is recorded....can the Bible love us....no it can’t....only the Living Spirit can love us...which we truly know in our heart, when it’s been birthed.

 

[Behold]

You calling the Truth trash ! Judgment day is approaching friend

Calvinism, and its evolved state..... "hyper Calvinism" is s Demonic Cult.

Its defined by Hebrews 13:9, as a man made "doctrine of devils".

It causes its deceived to try to deceive Real Christians and non-christians, by leading them into Calvinism.

This is Satanic.

 

[Behold]

I Could care less

Your "care" is only concerned with spreading the Lies of Your Idol, John Calvinism....and His followers.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Limited atonement has already been refuted by God's Word.

All one has to do is actually believe all that the Lord teaches in His Word instead of just the parts they like

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:1-4 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Acts 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

Clearly there's nothing to debate or argue over.

 

[Behold]

Clearly there's nothing to debate or argue over.

Well, the problem is.......a Calvinist - Hyper-Calvinist, will read any NT verse that says....>"ALL, or any, or Whosoever", and they dont see those words, they see "ELECT"..
Now how does this happen?
Its a mental issue, the bible defines as "stronghold", and Paul defines as "who has BEWITCHED YOU"..


So, a person who is not mind infected by Calvinism..........will read...>>>"For God so loved THE WORLD".. John 3:16...... and instantly know that is = EVERYONE.........or as the verse defines everyone as "whosoever"...

Yet... when a mentally "bewitched" Calvinism victim reads that verse, they only SEE "ELECT" or "Pre-destined". as that is what Calvinism, the mental and spiritual infection, does to their HEAD, when they read the New Testament.

 

[Ritajanice]

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Walking by the Spirit (Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26) 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God. 9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Heirs with Christ 12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption to sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Future Glory (2 Corinthians 5:1–10) 18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently. 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. God Works in All Things (Ephesians 1:3–14) 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us. More than Conquerors (Psalm 44:1–26) 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: “For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman,

The greater truth of God's word, is given "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little." Which is to say that all of scripture is not complete by any one verse--or seemingly even several, but must be reconciled with all of scripture. In 2 Corinthians 5: 14 Paul was referring to "we who are alive and remain" (1 Thessalonians 4:15). Meaning, the context is limited to those made "alive" by the spirit of God.

As for Titus 2:11, it is required that we reconcile it with: "many are called but few chosen" (Matthew 20:16).

But do not consider it error to agree with the fact that God "is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9)-- Your heart is in the right place, even if your understanding of this matter is not.

To not quote entire chapters that either explain, describe, or by example show how salvation from sin is obtained, I only quote a couple of select texts. On the other hand, there are no at-length discussions in the Bible about limited atonement in the Bible. This is the difference between theology and Scripture. We can make the Bible appear to say any number of things.

I could sit here and preach Paul as having pre-existed in the garden of Eden. I could decorate it with Bible verses and successfully defend it to my last breath. Should I do that? I don't think so. There are many ways to miss the forest for the trees with the Bible. Limited atonement, as Calvin explained it, is not Biblical, and comes from a poor Biblical foundation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Christ's reconciled the world to God by His death and resurrection. That has nothing to do specifically with believers. It had to do with the sin of the world. I John 2:2.
His sacrifice atoned for the sin of the world. It makes it possible that Christ, now as High Priest can forgive sin when we confess our sin. There is no unilateral forgiveness. It is a mutual joining of Christ and a person who answers His call to come.
The Holy Spirit is in this world calling all men to repentence. This phrase of itself condemns the idea of limited atonement.

Depends on whose eternal life one is referencing. By His resurrection by virtue of His Incarnation, He will raise all men to an eternal existence. another reason limited atonement is an impossibility.
Now, those that see and believe will be granted eternal life with Him if they remain faithful. I Pet 1:3-5
If you are referencing those who don't believe, they will be judged also and suffer the second death, which is spiritual separation from God for an eternity.

Those that believed and were faithful on all things He will grant eternal life.

The Father gave all things to Christ. Col 1:20, Then corresponding texts is John 10:39 which states that Christ will raise all things, He will lose none.
Then vs 40 says, those that believe and see, He will also raise them up and give them everlasting life.
These three texts condemns outright the whole idea that there is such a thing as a limited atonement.
Another you should read is I Cor 15:12-22. That is universal redemption, reconciliation of all things
that Col 1: 20, II Cor 5:18-19 are speaking about.
You can also check Rom 5:12, vs 18 also spells out universal fall of man and universal redemption of man.

I don't understand what you are saying. You are suggesting universalism. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. The Bible doesn't teach universal reconciliation or atonement.

Consider Matthew 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Only a select few individuals truly discover the essence and meaning of life, contrasting sharply with the concept of universalism, which suggests that everyone should find and experience fulfillment. While universalism implies that life's truths and significance can be universally accessible to all, the reality is that for many, this journey of discovery is a uniquely personal pursuit that not everyone undertakes successfully.

 

[Runningman]

I haven't seen anything you posted scripturally that's not compatible with limited atonement, its not even possible in fact

Normally it takes a while for someone to run out of excuses before the denials begin. It's up to you. It's between you and God at this point.