Let's discuss..cessation after death?

[Johann]

Humph.

Much love
J.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So, for believers it will be "age-during"...wonder how long is that?
For unbelievers it would be "age-during" let me guess, final utter annihilation?
J.

I used that translation just to show a difference in the numerous translations.
Every person's age is different. Every judgment is proportioned to the an individual's sins. Eternal Life we see now during this age. The spiritual realm is outside of time so that is a given. We have it now, then crossover at the resurrection or death whichever comes first.
The idea is that if Hades is part of this physical world, it will end with this massive fervent heat that destroys everything _ the Lake of Fire_ when that takes place.

 

[Johann]

The idea is if Hades is part of this physical world, it will end with this massive fervent heat that destroys everything _ the Lake of Fire_ when that takes place.

Thanks for the feedback Ronald
J.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Thanks for the feedback Ronald
J.

Welcome, I know it's unorthodox and so I won't press it. Just food for thought.

 

[Johann]

Welcome, I know it's unorthodox and so I won't press it. Just food for thought.

Yeah, I definitely opened up a can of worms re this topic Ronald.
I have it from all sides, orthodox, unorthodox...
Blessings
J.

 

[BarneyFife]

Humph.

You slay me, man.

 

[BarneyFife]

Yeah, I definitely opened up a can of worms re this topic Ronald.
I have it from all sides, orthodox, unorthodox...
Blessings
J.

It's all good, J. :cool: We gotta give each other room to make conscientious, informed, uninhibited decisions pertaining to faith and morals. Don't you think that's the way God wants it? I think you do. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Believe it or not, I don't like him and seldom watch movies.
Maybe change the picture?

Up to you, Pal o' mine. But like I say, I kinda like it now. Who knows? It could become widely endearing.

 

[Johann]

Let's discuss. Please.

@The Disciple John

I concede, and apologize for bringing up this topic
Blessings
J.

 

[BarneyFife]

@The Disciple John

I concede, and apologize for bringing up this topic
Blessings
J.

You concede? Surely you wouldn't feign concession.

 

[Johann]

you get upset and personal.

Not getting upset @GEN2REV
You have a blessed day
J.

 

[Johann]

What scriptures and comments do you disagree with, from my posts?

Nothing really, they are spot on
Blessings
J.

 

[Johann]

Why not Johann? Explain to me the reason please.

@The Disciple John
I hold to the literal and spiritual interpretation and to me death here is spiritual and that the nephesh cannot die John.
I may, or may not be wrong.
Blessings
J.

 

[Johann]

Then, they insist the word(s) be translated: "FOREVER"

Not me insisting Barn, just how I read it
Blessings
J.

 

[Johann]

They would find no peace there.
Temporary. Not at all. Quite final.
Sin and sinners gone

Agree to disagree Barn
J.

 

[Johann]

As we can see Ecclesiastes has nothing to do with Gospel truth

Agree, the Old Covenant prophets and saints knew nothing re the seven mysteries given to Paul.
J.

 

[Johann]

but not for those we think it’s uncomfortable for.

Lol! Well said.
It is appointed once for man to die and after that?
J.

 

[Johann]

You slay me, man.

Yeah, politics is his forte
J.

 

[Johann]

Surely you wouldn't feign concession.

Bad vibes. Don't want to disturb the politics club.
J.

 

[Enoch111]

Ronald, you have made several confusing statements below.

I used that translation just to show a difference in the numerous translations.

Agreed.

Every person's age is different. Every judgment is proportioned to the an individual's sins.

If this is a reference to the Great White Throne then that is correct.

Eternal Life we see now during this age.

Eternal life -- by definition -- transcends "this age". It is for eternity.

The spiritual realm is outside of time so that is a given.

That there will be time no more is true. But the spiritual realm and the material realm will be interconnected since there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth.

We have it now, then crossover at the resurrection or death whichever comes first.

If this statement confirms that souls and spirits are imperishable, then that is true

The idea is that if Hades is part of this physical world, it will end with this massive fervent heat that destroys everything _ the Lake of Fire_ when that takes place.

There is a fair bit of confusion here.
1. Hades is "in the heart of the earth" which means within the core of the earth -- deep down.
2. The Lake of Fire is in "outer darkness" -- outside time and space.
3. The supernatural fire which destroys the surface of the earth and all things therein has no connection to either of these region.
4. When the Bible says that Death and Hades (personified) are cast into the Lake of Fire, that needs to be properly interpreted. It simply means that death and Hades are terminated. Death will never again exist on earth therefore there will never again be a need for Hades -- the abode of unsaved souls. At the Great White Throne, all those who were in Hades will be resurrected and judged, then cast into the Lake of Fire in order to experience "the Second Death". This is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

There are several naysayers on this forum who believe in the false doctrine of Annihilationism. But if it were true, there would be no need for the Gospel. All sinners would be simply extinguished -- cease to exist.