Let's discuss..cessation after death?

[Brakelite]

I thought it meant separatist.

Let's ask the internet!

Who Were the Pharisees? Bible Definition and Meaning

The root meaning of the word "Pharisee" is uncertain. It is probably related to the Hebrew root prs [v;r'P], meaning "separate" or "detach."

There you have it!

Much love!

Oh my goodness. So Jesus is asking us all to be separatists. (2 Cor.6:17) sounds ominously rebellious... Fundamentalist. Which of course it is. Grounds for charges of sedition right there.

 

[Brakelite]

There is so much I want to say but I'm afraid I will be branded as hypocritical old senile man.
I believe in absolute holiness in all spheres of our lives, a life of self denial, a life that is praying (and wrestling) with our heavenly Father, no comforts, a life that is fully yielded...going to stop right here since it is 1:04 in the morning here
I don't want to be remembered as a common Christian, but radically un-common...like my wife was.
Hope this make sense since I think in Afrikaans and speak in English.
Actually in a couple of languages lol!
I noticed many are cracking jokes here and that is not me.
Shalom laChem chesed panav Elohim eloheinu.
J.
You have a blessed day.

That kind of mindset will find a harmony with a few here, a hope for some, and fanaticism with most. Radically uncommon is not a bad thing.

 

[Brakelite]

Or maybe just careful.

Much love!

And wise.

 

[Brakelite]

Or maybe just careful.

Much love!

Whereas some of us just love a good scrap.

 

[Brakelite]

I think it goes without saying.

Mmm. A symbolic fire having a literal impact. Dunno about that.

 

[Johann]

for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”'

Question
...you shall surely die..literally
or figuratively?
If they died in a literal sense then the story would have end right there John.

V-Qal-InfAbs (BSB Morphology)
Verb - Qal - Infinitive absolute
Lemma: מוּת
Word: you will surely
Hebrew: מ֥וֹת
Transliteration: mō·wṯ
H4191 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments)
H4191 מוּת muwth (mooth) v.
1. (literally or figuratively) to die.
2. (causatively) to kill.


Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular
Lemma: מוּת
Word: die.”
Hebrew: תָּמֽוּת׃
Transliteration: tā·mūṯ
H4191 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments)
H4191 מוּת muwth (mooth) v.
1. (literally or figuratively) to die.
2. (causatively) to kill.

I assume you are familiar with the Jewish mode of interpretation?
Peshat, Remez and Derash or the literal, allegorical, moral and anagogical approach to study the Scriptures?

So, did our first parents die in a literal or in a figurative sense?

 

[Johann]

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

Agree, how should we interpret the scripture now after the resurrection of our Lord?

 

[Lambano]

It’s Lambano cue time to come in and start talking about how delicious an octopus pizza with shallots is…lol.

I've had veggie-burgers at a restaurant in San Antonio as a concession to my vegan future grandson-in-law, and believe it or not, they don't suck!

Put enough of this stuff on it, and even plant-based burgers are delicious:
Wholly Spicy Guacamole Minis (instacart.com)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

In trust. Mmm. Sounds more challenging and intrusive than 'in faith'.

More uncomfortable. The word faith is a bit vague in a lot of people’s minds. They think of faith as sets of doctrines and they think they must be defended. But faith means trust, and examining where you trust God versus where you trust govt, institutions, authority figures, stockpiles of money, world views, is not so vague. And because it’s precision rather than vagueness its, yes, more intrusive. You begin to get the inkling that someone has held you back by distracting you with busy brickmaking when it’s not a race of brickmaking but a race of trust. At that point is where a man begins to shed a lot of the worlds weight and begins to make great strides. He refuses the weights, the demands, the unnecessary. He sees them now for what they were and he just…shrugs them from his shoulders. It makes him appear lazy and undutiful to others since he no longer involves himself in busy brickmaking. It can create problems in his home life because family can feel they’ve “lost” him or her. He becomes quite practical and uninvolved in conventions. Like…he will set the table but he will no longer set it the way the world says he has to because two forks is nonsensical to him. Use the same fork for salad and meat and don’t expect him to pick up weights again that he has shed for no good or practical reason or make unnecessary work for whoever has to wash the extra forks because he really won’t do such unnecessary things anymore because they make no practical sense. He might even stop wearing ties or…well, I’m coming up with very little examples but you get the picture.

 

[Johann]

well, I’m coming up with very little examples but you get the picture

Painting pictures with words, now that's a gift
J.

 

[Brakelite]

Question
...you shall surely die..literally
or figuratively?
If they died in a literal sense then the story would have end right there John.

V-Qal-InfAbs (BSB Morphology)
Verb - Qal - Infinitive absolute
Lemma: מוּת
Word: you will surely
Hebrew: מ֥וֹת
Transliteration: mō·wṯ
H4191 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments)
H4191 מוּת muwth (mooth) v.
1. (literally or figuratively) to die.
2. (causatively) to kill.


Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular
Lemma: מוּת
Word: die.”
Hebrew: תָּמֽוּת׃
Transliteration: tā·mūṯ
H4191 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments)
H4191 מוּת muwth (mooth) v.
1. (literally or figuratively) to die.
2. (causatively) to kill.

I assume you are familiar with the Jewish mode of interpretation?
Peshat, Remez and Derash or the literal, allegorical, moral and anagogical approach to study the Scriptures?

So, did our first parents die in a literal or in a figurative sense?

So what you are saying perhaps is that Adam and Eve hid because they thought God was going to kill them?

 

[Brakelite]

Quite...So, did our first parents die in a literal or in a figurative sense?

Well they certainly died literally, but were given a time of probation before that death sentence was carried out. During that time it can be assumed they taught the 3rd child well, whose progeny sought God and 'did that which was right in the sight of the Lord', died, and were buried with their fathers, awaiting the resurrection.

 

[The Disciple John]

Symbolic of what? What is torment a symbol of?

Good question.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Seriously though, the angel did not tell us.
I can tell you what the best understanding is, but as quoted above, that would in no way be of any benefit to anyone here. It actually would make no difference. However...
I'll trade with you.

If you can tell me the meaning of the symbolism of the great harlot Babylon the great's demise, as mentioned in Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Then I will tell you the meaning of the symbolism for the smoke, and torment of the Lake of Fire.
Deal? :)

Oh. It can't be just any made up craziness.
This one isn't part of the deal, but just curious... What do you believe the harlot Babylon the Great represent? The angel didn't give us the meaning ther either.

 

[Brakelite]

More uncomfortable. The word faith is a bit vague in a lot of people’s minds. They think of faith as sets of doctrines and they think they must be defended. But faith means trust, and examining where you trust God versus where you trust govt, institutions, authority figures, stockpiles of money, world views, is not so vague. And because it’s precision rather than vagueness its, yes, more intrusive. You begin to get the inkling that someone has held you back by distracting you with busy brickmaking when it’s not a race of brickmaking but a race of trust. At that point is where a man begins to shed a lot of the worlds weight and begins to make great strides. He refuses the weights, the demands, the unnecessary. He sees them now for what they were and he just…shrugs them from his shoulders. It makes him appear lazy and undutiful to others since he no longer involves himself in busy brickmaking. It can create problems in his home life because family can feel they’ve “lost” him or her. He becomes quite practical and uninvolved in conventions. Like…he will set the table but he will no longer set it the way the world says he has to because two forks is nonsensical to him. Use the same fork for salad and meat and don’t expect him to pick up weights again that he has shed for no good or practical reason or make unnecessary work for whoever has to wash the extra forks because he really won’t do such unnecessary things anymore because they make no practical sense. He might even stop wearing ties or…well, I’m coming up with very little examples but you get the picture.

Totally see the picture. Hey @Johann , here is one of those harmonious types. One you were talking about...a life yielded... Radically uncommon... Self denial.
On another note, I'm sorry J that your wife was radically uncommon. A good wife is such a blessing...

 

[Johann]

So what you are saying perhaps is that Adam and Eve hid because they thought God was going to kill them?

No, asking John when Adam and Eve "died" was it literal or figurative a Remez, different modes of doing hermeneutics.
That's all.
J.
Not trying to sound like a learned scholar for I ain't.

 

[Johann]

I'm sorry J that your wife was radically uncommon. A good wife is such a blessing...

My wife passed away two years ago friend and looking after my severely handicapped son.
Be thankful you have a wife for behind every successful man is a praying, godly woman.
J.

 

[Brakelite]

Good question.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Seriously though, the angel did not tell us.
I can tell you what the best understanding is, but as quoted above, that would in no way be of any benefit to anyone here. It actually would make no difference. However...
I'll trade with you.

If you can tell me the meaning of the symbolism of the great harlot Babylon the great's demise, as mentioned in Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Then I will tell you the meaning of the symbolism for the smoke, and torment of the Lake of Fire.
Deal? :)

Oh. It can't be just any made up craziness.
This one isn't part of the deal, but just curious... What do you believe the harlot Babylon the Great represent? The angel didn't give us the meaning ther either.

A global union of church and state. As the river of Babylon, Euphrates was the source of sustaining the wealth and living of the literal city, so when the symbolic river dries up,
KJV Revelation 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
KJV Revelation 17:1
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Those people, and their rulers who originally supported her recognize her true character and realize, too late, that they've been betrayed and lied to. So they destroy her. Her support dries up. She's alone, and being an adulteress, suffers the OT death sentence for adultery... Is burnt. Now you may be wondering, hold on, I thought they were stoned. Well, most were... But not the daughters of priests. Babylon is a child of the counterfeit priesthood. I'll leave it to you too identify who they are.

 

[Johann]

Totally see the picture.

..and I don't "see" the picture.
Guess Christ is still speaking in parables.
J.

 

[Johann]

Lemma: Φαρισαῖος
Word: Pharisees
Greek: Φαρισαίων
Transliteration: Pharisaiōn
G5330 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments)
G5330 Φαρισαῖος Pharisaios (fa-riy-sai'-os) n/g.
1. a separatist, i.e. exclusively religious.
2. a Pharisean, i.e. Jewish sectary.

..and this is without going online..
Blessings
J.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Love this, keeping it simple and straightforward shooting from the shoulder, that's the way I prefer it.
I'm here to learn like I have said on numerous times, all I get is reams and reams of nonsensical jargon having learned, by experience, Satan can also quote scriptures.
I am a simpleton, just me and the scriptures and the Holy Spirit and have forgotten the art of "intelligent communication"
Reminds me of the simplicity of the scriptures confounds the wise in their own esteem.
Can you teach me Robert?
J.

If you are willing to listen Joe. As you know hell is an English word. The original word in Hebrew was Sheol. The word means the abode of the dead. Sheol is sheol of course, but for some reason translators of the KJV chose to translate that word into 3 different English words. The translated it 31x as hell; 31 times as grave; and 3 times as pit in its 65 occurrences in the Hebrew Scriptures. In Greek the original word is Hades, which most have heard of. Sheol and Hades are the same place, how do we know this? A prophecy about Jesus and it's fulfillment confirm this:
Ps 16:10leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 2:31before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Psalms was Sheol, and Acts was Hades.
All people who die go there as did Jesus, awaiting a resurrection. When the resurrection is complete, hell is emptied, and since there is no more death, it is no longer needed so both death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire.
Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

There is no suffering or consciousness at all when we die Joe, so no one is suffering or being tortureds 146:4breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ec 9:10hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Hope that helps Joe.