Lambano
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@NotTheRock, can you tell us what you think Jesus meant by "born again" (or "born from Above")?
Ladies, can you talk about what it means and doesn’t mean to be a Christian wife?
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1 John 5:13
Ταῦτα ἔγραψα ὑμῖν τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἵνα εἰδῆτε ὅτι ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἔχετε, καὶ ἵνα πιστεύητε εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
John 5:24
Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ὅτι ὁ τὸν λόγον μου ἀκούων καὶ πιστεύων τῷ πέμψαντί με ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ εἰς κρίσιν οὐκ ἔρχεται, ἀλλὰ μεταβέβηκεν ἐκ τοῦ θανάτου εἰς τὴν ζωήν.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
John 6:47
Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ὁ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
Romans 8:16-17
Αὐτὸ τὸ Πνεῦμα συμμαρτυρεῖ τῷ πνεύματι ἡμῶν ὅτι ἐσμὲν τέκνα Θεοῦ. εἰ δὲ τέκνα, καὶ κληρονόμοι· κληρονόμοι μὲν Θεοῦ, συγκληρονόμοι δὲ Χριστοῦ.
"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ."
2 Corinthians 5:1
Οἴδαμεν γὰρ ὅτι ἐὰν ἡ ἐπίγειος ἡμῶν οἰκία τοῦ σκήνους καταλυθῇ, οἰκοδομὴν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἔχομεν, οἰκίαν ἀχειροποίητον αἰώνιον ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς.
"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."
2 Timothy 1:12
...οἶδα γὰρ ᾧ πεπίστευκα, καὶ πέπεισμαι ὅτι δυνατός ἐστιν τὴν παραθήκην μου φυλάξαι εἰς ἐκείνην τὴν ἡμέραν.
"For I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."
John 10:27-28
Τὰ πρόβατά μου τῆς φωνῆς μου ἀκούουσιν, κἀγὼ γινώσκω αὐτά, καὶ ἀκολουθοῦσίν μοι· κἀγὼ δίδωμι αὐτοῖς ζωὴν αἰώνιον, καὶ οὐ μὴ ἀπόλωνται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, καὶ οὐχ ἁρπάσει τις αὐτὰ ἐκ τῆς χειρός μου.
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Titus 1:2
ἐπ’ ἐλπίδι ζωῆς αἰωνίου, ἣν ἐπηγγείλατο ὁ ἀψευδὴς Θεὸς πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων.
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began."
These references collectively emphasize the believer's confidence in eternal life as a promise from God, grounded in faith in Christ and affirmed by the testimony of the Spirit.
J.
Lambano
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@NotTheRock, you've expanded the scope of your thread from Christian wives to what it means to be a Christian, period. Did @Pearl hit a nerve? Do you want talk about it?
I simply disagree with their doctrine that a person CAN accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, declare that "Jesus is Lord", strive to follow his commandments, including the commandment to love one another, BUT can NOT be described as a "Christian" unless they have been "born again".
There's nothing Biblical about that doctrine and when asked for it they provide scriptures that have NOTHING to do with being a follower of Christ HERE ON EARTH.
Wrangler
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No, you asked about the color of music. You are asking about 2 unrelated things - even if both beautiful.
I have disdain for those who push the "born again" narrative because it is internal. Being a follower of Christ is external, for it is a matter of obedience to God's will. I primarily care that believers DO God's will. The "born again" part is between them and God, not within our pay grade.
Pearl and others say one isn't a Christian unless they're "born again". According to them, one is either a heathen or they are a "born again", REAL Christian; there is no in-between.
Funny coming from the guy who preaches that Jesus tortures souls forever in Hell. Yea, you're "born again" alright!
Lambano
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Okay; she did strike a nerve. Brother @NotTheRock, I decided to move my response to your new thread. Among other reasons, a couple of our sisters' testimonies got buried, which is regrettable.
Why don't you respond with more Koine Greek to further demonstrate your intellectual superiority along with your spiritual superiority?
Well the goodwill ambassador says that the only Christians are "born again" or else they're not actually Christian and now here we are.
Lambano
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ElectedbyHim
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You do not understand.
Hell
The Bible presents the eternal reality of hell. Hell is a real place of fiery torment for the unrepentant that lasts forever. Of the twelve references to “hell” in the Bible, the vast majority come from Jesus’s own mouth. The following is a sample of Jesus’s words on this topic.
And whoever says, “You fool!” will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matt. 5:22)
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt. 10:28)
You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? (Matt. 23:33)
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. (Mark 9:43)
The Greek term translated “hell” in the above passages is gehenna, which occurs twelve times in the New Testament and relates to the Valley of Hinnom on the south and east sides of Jerusalem. In this place children were sacrificed in fire to the god Molech (2 Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31–32). Some hold that the Valley of Hinnom was also the place where dead bodies of criminals and animals were burned.9 This awful place of fiery doom was used by Jesus and New Testament writers to symbolize the future place of punishment for the wicked. These references show that hell is real. People should strive to avoid this dreadful place. Other passages, while not using the term “hell,” further describe the eternal fire awaiting the wicked:
Then he [Jesus] will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matt. 25:41)
If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night. (Rev. 14:9–11)
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:15)
The fiery torment of hell is unending. Also, hell is not merely a “state of mind” or some sort of spiritual existence. The language used cannot be attributed to metaphor alone.
Hell is associated with three everlasting negative consequences: (1) punishment, (2) destruction, and (3) banishment. Not one of these concepts explains all of what hell is, but together they offer a multidimensional understanding of why hell is so terrible. First, the wicked are punished and receive retribution for their deeds (Luke 12:47–48). God’s punishment is not a vindictive but a righteous retribution for wrongs committed. Second, hell involves destruction (2 Thess. 1:9), which entails the concepts of ruin and waste. Those who die in unbelief have squandered opportunities to live a life that mattered for God. They are enemies of God, and loss and ruin are their fate (Matt. 7:19). Third, hell includes banishment. Not only are the wicked punished and not only do they suffer ruin, but they are also banished from the blessings of the kingdom of God and are denied access to the glories of the new earth. God as King has removed them with no hope of entering his presence (Rev. 22:14–15).
SHEOL
Other terms in the Bible are connected with hell. The Hebrew term sheol is found sixty-five times in the Old Testament. Depending on the context, the term is translated as “grave,” “pit,” or “hell.” In general, sheol refers to the abode of the dead. Psalm 88:3 states, “For my soul is full of troubles, and my life draws near to Sheol.” Being in sheol means one is cut off from the living with no access to matters on earth. Yet sheol does not mean escape from God’s presence. As Psalm 139:8 declares, “If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!”
TARTARUS
Another reference to hell is found in 2 Peter 2:4: “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy p 846 darkness to be kept until the judgment …” The Greek term for “cast them into hell” here is not gehenna or hadēs. It is tartaroō, from which we get tartarus, the only time this term is used in the New Testament. In Greek mythology, tartarus was a subterranean realm, even lower than hades, where the wicked were punished. According to Roman mythology, tartarus was the place where the enemies of the gods were banished. The Jews eventually came to use this term to describe the place where fallen angels were sent. It was the lowest hell, the deepest pit, and the most terrible place of torture. According to 2 Peter 2:4, angels were sent to tartarus when they sinned. This could refer to the angels (“sons of God”) in Genesis who sinned by trying to pervert the human race by cohabitating with the daughters of men (Gen. 6:2).
ABYSS
While not identified as “hell,” another term used for confinement in the Bible is Abyss (Gk. abyssos). The Abyss is a prison for fallen angels that halts them from having any access to or influence on the earth. As Jesus was about to cast out many demons from a man, Luke 8:31 reports that the demons “begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss.” The demons feared the Abyss since it would mean the total cessation of their activities on earth. In Revelation 9, demon-like creatures are released from the Abyss to inflict damage on the people of the earth (Rev. 9:1–2). It is their release from the Abyss that allows these creatures to harm people, since they cannot touch people on the earth while in the Abyss.
The Abyss is mentioned again in Revelation 20:1–3. It is a “pit” into which Satan will be thrown after the second coming of Jesus. Once Satan is incarcerated, the Abyss will be “shut” and “sealed … over him” so that Satan cannot deceive the nations for a thousand years (Rev. 20:3). The Abyss functions as a prison to hold the person of Satan. As a result, Satan himself and his deceiving activities will totally cease on the earth, since captivity in the Abyss absolutely removes his influence on the earth. Once the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from the Abyss to deceive the nations one more time, but he will immediately be destroyed and sent to the lake of fire forever (Rev. 20:7–10).
A real, torturous, and unending hell for the lost is so horrible to contemplate that many refuse to believe it. Some have offered alternatives to the biblical doctrine of hell.
Biblical Doctrine: A Systematic Summary of Bible Truth
ElectedbyHim
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They think God is to loving to do decree someone to hell, He unloving and a monster.
Or they try to explain it away, kind like how an aetheist tries to explain away God so that they are not found guilty of their sin.
The Lords knows everything, and nothing is hidden from Him.
There are many redefinitions happening here to align with the culture, but a diamond is formed under immense pressure.
J.
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