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I wonder if the train of thought here is about people being ‘ Christ like ‘ in their actions and motives ect but they have never actually come to faith. ( just a thought following my misunderstanding on the other thread regarding Michael J Fox ) If that is the train of thought, then I agree.
You can have married couples who respect and love one another and work out their relationships together and they can reflect the same values as a Christian couple who follow Christ.
The standards within scripture are permeated within many of our cultures, so they are equally engrained in people within though cultures
Not sure if that is on par, if it’s not then please ignore my ramblings x
 
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I wonder if the train of thought here is about people being ‘ Christ like ‘ in their actions and motives ect but they have never actually come to faith. ( just a thought following my misunderstanding on the other thread regarding Michael J Fox ) If that is the train of thought, then I agree.
You can have married couples who respect and love one another and work out their relationships together and they can reflect the same values as a Christian couple who follow Christ.
The standards within scripture are permeated within many of our cultures, so they are equally engrained in people within though cultures
Not sure if that is on par, if it’s not then please ignore my ramblings x
Your point about people who display Christ-like actions and values, even without explicitly coming to faith, is insightful. There are indeed people who exhibit qualities that reflect Christian values, such as love, respect, and kindness, without necessarily having placed their faith in Christ.

However, Scripture speaks to the importance of faith in Christ as the foundation for true transformation and salvation. As Ephesians 2:8-9 teaches, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." This indicates that while good actions are commendable, salvation and the ability to truly live according to God’s will come through faith in Christ alone.

Furthermore, Matthew 7:21-23 warns that not everyone who exhibits good works or acts in a way that seems morally upright is necessarily aligned with God's will:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

While cultural values often reflect moral truths, Romans 8:7-8 reminds us that without Christ, the natural mind is hostile to God and cannot please Him:

"The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God."

Ultimately, true Christ-likeness comes from a relationship with Christ, as Galatians 2:20 speaks of:

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Your point about cultural influence is valid-many cultures carry moral values that align with biblical teachings. However, Scripture makes it clear that genuine Christ-likeness and salvation come through faith in Him.

My ramblings.

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Your point about people who display Christ-like actions and values, even without explicitly coming to faith, is insightful. There are indeed people who exhibit qualities that reflect Christian values, such as love, respect, and kindness, without necessarily having placed their faith in Christ.

However, Scripture speaks to the importance of faith in Christ as the foundation for true transformation and salvation. As Ephesians 2:8-9 teaches, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." This indicates that while good actions are commendable, salvation and the ability to truly live according to God’s will come through faith in Christ alone.

Furthermore, Matthew 7:21-23 warns that not everyone who exhibits good works or acts in a way that seems morally upright is necessarily aligned with God's will:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

While cultural values often reflect moral truths, Romans 8:7-8 reminds us that without Christ, the natural mind is hostile to God and cannot please Him:

"The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God."

Ultimately, true Christ-likeness comes from a relationship with Christ, as Galatians 2:20 speaks of:

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Your point about cultural influence is valid-many cultures carry moral values that align with biblical teachings. However, Scripture makes it clear that genuine Christ-likeness and salvation come through faith in Him.

My ramblings.

J.
Yes, I agree - growing up It was considered that if you were good you were okay before God and that is also engrained within our societies at times
The sad reality is that despite coming to faith many don’t seem to transform and often convey attitudes ect that reflect badly. Many are far from Christ like………
 
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Yes, I agree - growing up It was considered that if you were good you were okay before God and that is also engrained within our societies at times
The sad reality is that despite coming to faith many don’t seem to transform and often convey attitudes ect that reflect badly. Many are far from Christ like………
Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Many claim to be Christian, but are self-decieved.

Wheat and the tares come to mind.

Probably should start a new thread on this.
 
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Yes, I agree - growing up It was considered that if you were good you were okay before God and that is also engrained within our societies at times
The sad reality is that despite coming to faith many don’t seem to transform and often convey attitudes ect that reflect badly. Many are far from Christ like………
While I agree that many who desire to live a godly life will face persecution, and there are indeed many genuine Christians enduring persecution as we speak, the five wise virgins couldn't definitively say whether the five foolish virgins were truly "Christians."

There are intense moments of fellowship in forums, yet the Scriptures are being reinterpreted to fit the narratives and comfort zones of those who live superficially or artificially.

Negative attitudes or perceived attitudes do not necessarily mean that someone is not a Christian, @Rita.

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Shalom.

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While I agree that many who desire to live a godly life will face persecution, and there are indeed many genuine Christians enduring persecution as we speak, the five wise virgins couldn't definitively say whether the five foolish virgins were truly "Christians."

There are intense moments of fellowship in forums, yet the Scriptures are being reinterpreted to fit the narratives and comfort zones of those who live superficially or artificially.

Negative attitudes or perceived attitudes do not necessarily mean that someone is not a Christian, @Rita.

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Shalom.

J.
I don’t think I actually said they were not Christians, merely stated that many do not reflect Christ -that’s not the same thing. We all respond emotionally at times , but non the less if the same people are responding in the same way year after year without changing , then that doesn’t show much growth.
 
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I don’t want to derail this thread, my earlier comment was linked to something that was being discussed here about Christian wives - can you have a Christian wife if they are not born again. I have no idea yet if this is in line with what was being considered. So I will wait and see
 

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So I've learned that a person can believe in Christ, love him, follow his commandments including loving others, but can't yet be considered a "Christian" unless they have been born again. Thank you for the enlightenment.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that only those who are "born again" are considered followers of Jesus?
  • John 3:3: Jesus says to Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
  • John 3:5: Jesus further explains, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
  • John 3:7: Jesus clarifies, “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’”
  • 1 Peter 1:3: Peter writes, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”
Being born again in theological terms is regeneration.

The following is more information that you require, but is essential in understaing what it means to be born-again.

One does not have salvation if they are not born-again (regenerated).

Definition of Regeneration

The word regeneration (Gk. paliggenesia) appears only twice in the New Testament. Once it is used eschatologically, “of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah” (Matt. 19:28);43 the second usage is “of the rebirth of a redeemed person” (Titus 3:5).44 Regeneration should be distinguished from conversion.

Conversion refers to the response of the human being to God’s offer of salvation and approach to man. Regeneration is the other side of conversion. It is God’s doing. In regeneration the soul is passive; in conversion, it is active. Regeneration may be defined as the communication of divine life to the soul … as the impartation of a new nature … or heart … and the production of a new creation.45

Succinctly stated, to regenerate means “to impart life.” Regeneration is the act whereby God imparts life to the one who believes.

Scriptures Concerning Regeneration

Two basic passages of Scripture discuss regeneration as it pertains to the impartation of new life to a believer. John 3:3 (although not using the word regeneration) refers to regeneration as a new birth. The Greek word translated “again” is anothen and may be translated “from above.” In other words, the second birth is a birth from above, from God. The new birth is a spiritual birth in contrast to the first birth, which is a physical birth. In the spiritual birth the Holy Spirit regenerates the person; He is the means of regeneration. In John 3:5 the phrase “is born” is passive,46 indicating it is a work done upon man, not by man. Man does not bring about regeneration; the Holy Spirit produces it. Titus 3:5 is the other passage where regeneration is explained. In this passage regeneration is linked to two things: washing and renewing by the Holy Spirit. It is noteworthy that in both John 3:5 and Titus 3:5 two elements are mentioned: water and the Holy Spirit. It is possible to understand water as symbolic of God’s Word (cf. Eph. 5:26).47 Others link water and the Holy Spirit to cleansing as in Ezekiel 36:25–27. In this case the water would refer to the cleansing that comes through repentance.48

Explanation of Regeneration

It is instantaneous. Just as a child is born at a specific moment in the physical birth, so the spiritual birth occurs instantaneously when the Holy Spirit imparts new life.50
It is not the result of human experience. In other words, it is not something the person does but something that is done to the person. Experience may result from regeneration, but experience as such is not a cause of regeneration.
It is not based on human effort. John 1:13 indicates the new birth is not effected by the will of man. Regeneration is an act of God, not a cooperative effort between God and man.51 That is not to say, however, that faith is unnecessary in salvation. It may be suggested that although regeneration and faith are distinct, they occur simultaneously.52 The two are set side by side in John 1:12–13. In John 1:12, at the moment of receiving Christ (believing), the person becomes a child of God; in John 1:13 it indicates that at that very moment the persons have been born of God. Surely there is a mystery here that surpasses human comprehension.

Result of Regeneration

A new nature. The result of regeneration is the impartation of a “divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4). The believer has received a “new self” (Eph. 4:24), a capacity for righteous living. He is a “new creature” (2 Cor. 5:17).
A new life. The believer has received a new mind (1 Cor. 2:16) that he might know God; a new heart (Rom. 5:5) that he may love God (1 John 4:9); and a new will (Rom. 6:13) that he may obey God.53


50 The Greek aorist tense in John 1:13 and 3:5 would indicate the new birth is an instantaneous act.
51 Walvoord, The Holy Spirit, 133.
52 Ryrie, The Holy Spirit, 64–65.
53 See J. Dwight Pentecost, Designed to Be Like Him (Chicago: Moody, 1966). This is a most helpful work in explaining what has happened in the new birth. Pentecost has separate chapters on the new mind, new heart, and new will.
Paul Enns, The Moody Handbook of Theology, ed. Jim Vincent and Allan Sholes, Revised and Expanded. (Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2014), 354.
 

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  • John 3:3: Jesus says to Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
  • John 3:5: Jesus further explains, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
  • John 3:7: Jesus clarifies, “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’”
  • 1 Peter 1:3: Peter writes, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”
Being born again in theological terms is regeneration.

The following is more information that you require, but is essential in understaing what it means to be born-again.

One does not have salvation if they are not born-again (regenerated).


I didn't ask about salvation.
 

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Is a Christian who continues to sin actually a Christian?
That depends.

If it is a habitual lifestyle of sin, 1 John says no, you are not a Christian.

Christians will fall to sin from time to time, sin is still at work in our flesh.

Paul describes the internal battle perfectly.....

Romans 7:14 - 25 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, having been sold into bondage under sin. For what I am working out, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want, I agree with the Law, that it is good. So now, no longer am I the one working it out, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the working out of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one working it out, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that in me evil is present—in me who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in my members, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a captive to the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Probably would be a good thing to start a new thread on this, we have already derailed the OP.

Grace and peace to you.
 
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Is a Christian who continues to sin actually a Christian?
Depends what you mean by "continues to sin"

1 John 3:6–9
"No one who abides in Him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen Him or known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as He is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."

Syntactical Points:
Present Active Indicative Verbs:

The key phrases "keeps on sinning" (Greek: ἁμαρτάνειν in v.6 and ποιεῖν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν in v.8) are in the present active tense, indicating ongoing, habitual action. John is not describing isolated acts of sin but a continuous lifestyle.

Negation with οὐδεὶς (No one):
The construction "No one who abides in Him keeps on sinning" (Greek: πᾶς ὁ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει) is categorical. It declares that persistent sin is incompatible with abiding in Christ. The use of μένω ("abide") ties this to an ongoing relationship with Christ, which will manifest in righteous behavior.

Causal Clauses:
In v.9, the phrase "because God’s seed abides in him" (ὅτι σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ μένει) provides the reason a believer "cannot keep on sinning" (οὐ δύναται ἁμαρτάνειν). The syntax shows a direct causal relationship between being born of God and rejecting habitual sin.

2. Galatians 5:19–21
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Syntactical Points:
Present Participles:
The Greek verb translated as "do" (πράσσοντες) is a present active participle, indicating ongoing, habitual behavior.

Paul is not addressing occasional lapses but a pattern of life characterized by these actions.


Future Indicative with οὐ:
The phrase "will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Greek: βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν) is a strong negation.

The future indicative κληρονομήσουσιν confirms the certainty of exclusion from God's kingdom for those persisting in such sins.

3. Hebrews 10:26–27
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."

Syntactical Points:
Present Active Participle:

The phrase "go on sinning deliberately" (ἑκουσίως ἁμαρτανόντων) again employs the present active participle, emphasizing continued, willful sin. The adverb ἑκουσίως (deliberately) highlights the intentional and persistent nature of this sin.

Negative Consequence with Conditional Clause:
The condition introduced by εἰ (if) ties the deliberate sin to the consequence of judgment. The phrase "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" (οὐκέτι περὶ ἁμαρτιῶν ἀπολείπεται θυσία) indicates that willful sin places the individual outside the benefits of Christ's sacrifice, signaling a state incompatible with salvation.

4. Romans 6:1–2
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Syntactical Points:
Future Subjunctive Construction:

The rhetorical question "Are we to continue in sin?" (Greek: ἐπιμένωμεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ) uses the subjunctive mood to address the hypothetical idea of ongoing sin. Paul's emphatic response, μὴ γένοιτο ("By no means!"), shows the impossibility of a Christian continuing in habitual sin.

Rhetorical Question with Personal Identity:
"How can we who died to sin still live in it?" (οἵτινες ἀπεθάνομεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ) ties the believer's identity in Christ (dead to sin) to a lifestyle incompatible with sin. The syntax emphasizes that living in sin contradicts the believer’s new nature.

Summary:
Syntactically, the New Testament consistently uses present active verbs, participles, and causal constructions to demonstrate that willful, habitual sin is incompatible with being a true Christian. A lifestyle of sin contradicts the believer’s identity as someone regenerated, sanctified, and empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Serious verses in Scripture @NotTheRock.

My sincere apologies for derailing the thread. @Rita

J.
 

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Depends what you mean by "continues to sin"

1 John 3:6–9
"No one who abides in Him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen Him or known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as He is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."

Syntactical Points:
Present Active Indicative Verbs:

The key phrases "keeps on sinning" (Greek: ἁμαρτάνειν in v.6 and ποιεῖν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν in v.8) are in the present active tense, indicating ongoing, habitual action. John is not describing isolated acts of sin but a continuous lifestyle.

Negation with οὐδεὶς (No one):
The construction "No one who abides in Him keeps on sinning" (Greek: πᾶς ὁ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει) is categorical. It declares that persistent sin is incompatible with abiding in Christ. The use of μένω ("abide") ties this to an ongoing relationship with Christ, which will manifest in righteous behavior.

Causal Clauses:
In v.9, the phrase "because God’s seed abides in him" (ὅτι σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ μένει) provides the reason a believer "cannot keep on sinning" (οὐ δύναται ἁμαρτάνειν). The syntax shows a direct causal relationship between being born of God and rejecting habitual sin.

2. Galatians 5:19–21
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Syntactical Points:
Present Participles:
The Greek verb translated as "do" (πράσσοντες) is a present active participle, indicating ongoing, habitual behavior.

Paul is not addressing occasional lapses but a pattern of life characterized by these actions.


Future Indicative with οὐ:
The phrase "will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Greek: βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν) is a strong negation.

The future indicative κληρονομήσουσιν confirms the certainty of exclusion from God's kingdom for those persisting in such sins.

3. Hebrews 10:26–27
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."

Syntactical Points:
Present Active Participle:

The phrase "go on sinning deliberately" (ἑκουσίως ἁμαρτανόντων) again employs the present active participle, emphasizing continued, willful sin. The adverb ἑκουσίως (deliberately) highlights the intentional and persistent nature of this sin.

Negative Consequence with Conditional Clause:
The condition introduced by εἰ (if) ties the deliberate sin to the consequence of judgment. The phrase "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" (οὐκέτι περὶ ἁμαρτιῶν ἀπολείπεται θυσία) indicates that willful sin places the individual outside the benefits of Christ's sacrifice, signaling a state incompatible with salvation.

4. Romans 6:1–2
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Syntactical Points:
Future Subjunctive Construction:

The rhetorical question "Are we to continue in sin?" (Greek: ἐπιμένωμεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ) uses the subjunctive mood to address the hypothetical idea of ongoing sin. Paul's emphatic response, μὴ γένοιτο ("By no means!"), shows the impossibility of a Christian continuing in habitual sin.

Rhetorical Question with Personal Identity:
"How can we who died to sin still live in it?" (οἵτινες ἀπεθάνομεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ) ties the believer's identity in Christ (dead to sin) to a lifestyle incompatible with sin. The syntax emphasizes that living in sin contradicts the believer’s new nature.

Summary:
Syntactically, the New Testament consistently uses present active verbs, participles, and causal constructions to demonstrate that willful, habitual sin is incompatible with being a true Christian. A lifestyle of sin contradicts the believer’s identity as someone regenerated, sanctified, and empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Serious verses in Scripture @NotTheRock.

My sincere apologies for derailing the thread. @Rita

J.
Excellent.
 

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That depends.

If it is a habitual lifestyle of sin, 1 John says no, you are not a Christian.

Christians will fall to sin from time to time, sin is still at work in our flesh.

Paul describes the internal battle perfectly.....

Romans 7:14 - 25 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, having been sold into bondage under sin. For what I am working out, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want, I agree with the Law, that it is good. So now, no longer am I the one working it out, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the working out of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one working it out, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that in me evil is present—in me who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in my members, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a captive to the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Probably would be a good thing to start a new thread on this, we have already derailed the OP.

Grace and peace to you.


Well how do you know if you're an actual Christian if you continue to sin? Do you continue to sin? If so, how do you KNOW that you're "born again"?