John Calvinism "TULIP"> : Satan's Masterpiece Theology

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Ronald Nolette

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"QUOTE ME">....where i have written that im a 4 pointer or you'll be trying to find it for a Mod, if you post this lie again, @Ronald Nolette
Maybe you should look up the enormous amounts of time I posted the definition of the five points as expounded by Calvinists and see that you believe in four of the five points as Calvinists define them and not you redefining them.
 

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Well as you have made your own definition of total depravity, I would agree, but as defined by Paul and Calvin- yes you were and you became a four pointer.

Here is what you missed.

Ive never posted to you anything about Total Depravity, as i dont post Calvin's Theology..
I only state that its a "doctrine of Devil's".
So, when you say i "admitted" that i am one of those, then as ive never posted anything about it, that can relate to my Theology.. then ....

= Stop lying.
 

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Maybe you should look up the enormous amounts of time I posted the definition of the five points

I am familiar with it.... and that is why im here to point out that all you are here to do on the Forum is try to Sell : John Calvinism.

Im not that one., nor is Jesus.
 

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I am not going through over a dozen threads and hundreds of you rmethane laden posts to show you your own words.


Listen up...

As all ive ever said when you've asked me 40X or at least to post some calvinsim.

I never do.
Remember?
I always tell you and the other TULIP-HEADS that when you post it, you are """selling it."""
I would never sell John Calvinism, because I dont work for the Devil.

Understand?
See it?

So, What i do is state that Calvin's doctrine is a "Cross Denying LIE" "the 5 points'.. because it Teaches that Jesus's Cross is not given to everyone... as God's Grace.
 

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Not only do you continue to lie and lie anbd make false accusations,

but you are a hard core four pointer. You believe in four of the five biblical points that is coloquially dubbed "the five points of Calvinism".

Calvin did not make them up, god did. YOur anger has blinded you so much you cannot see the forest for the trees.

And you have yet to show from Scripture that the four points you do believe in are demonic as you have called them so often.

1. You believe that T= total depravity, which simply means man is spiritually dead in his trespasses and sins and is as bad off as they can be. Man is 100% lost, not like ivory soap and is only 99 44/100% lost is demonic.

2. U+ Unconditional election You believe man only has to believe to be saved and not perform any or many "religious type " wokrs before He can trust in Christ. YOu believe this is demonic.

3. L=limited atonement YOu believe that Jesus is the propitiation or acceptable sacrifice for th esins of the world, but only those who believe actually have their sin removed. You believe this is demonic.

4. P=perseverance of the saints. IN short this is simply eternal security. YOu also believe this is demonic.

These are four of the five points that are called"the fiv epoints of Calvinism. I have posted ample verses in the past to biblically defe3nd these and will do so again if any ask.

That makes you 80% demonized and you scream and scream and scream against the very beliefs you believe in! There are professionals who are equip[ped to help you. :waves:
Yea... I understand your frustration... But both of you guys are trying to understand scripture... like all of us....

But he there is one important verse... Context... Really...

Now read this verse... and weep... curse... and explian it away... BECAUSE no matter what you believe.... You have no say...

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
Ive shown all this many times for you, as has GodsGrace.

Here is the main thing you need to realize....

God hates TULIP....."the 5 points" because This theology denies Jesus's Sacrifice, as God authored it.
So, that makes Hyper-Calvinism, very demonic, as it assaults The Cross which offends The Lord Jesus and God The Father.
Anyone who teaches it, is God offending and Cross denying.

Anyone who teaches "the 5 points" is doing the Devil's work, and has become : Galatians 1:8.
Does God have Grace.... Of course God has Grace.... but for whom.... ? You did not read my Bat Shit Crazy post did you....

Time to see the truth....


NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

CEV Act 13:48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.


ESV Rom 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

CEV Rom 11:7 This means that only a chosen few of the people of Israel found what all of them were searching for. And the rest of them were stubborn, 8 just as the Scriptures say, "God made them so stupid that their eyes are blind, and their ears are still deaf."

WHY???

NASB Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

Net Eph 1:11 In Christ28 we too have been claimed as God's own possession,29 since we were predestined according to the one purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of his will

29 tn Grk "we were appointed by lot." The notion of the verb κληρόω (klēroō) in the OT was to "appoint a portion by lot" (the more frequent cognate verb κληρονομέω [klēronomeō] meant "obtain a portion by lot"). In the passive, as here, the idea is that "we were appointed [as a portion] by lot" (BDAG 548 s.v. κληρόω 1). The words "God's own" have been supplied in the translation to clarify this sense of the verb. An alternative interpretation is that believers receive a portion as an inheritance: "In Christ we too have been appointed a portion of the inheritance." See H. W. Hoehner, Ephesians, 226-27, for discussion on this interpretive issue.


NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws (DRAGS) him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

CEV Joh 6:44 No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.

NASB Rom 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?


CEV Rom 8:28 We know that God is always at work for the good of everyone who loves him. They are the ones God has chosen for his purpose, 29 and he has always known who his chosen ones would be. He had decided to let them become like his own Son, so that his Son would be the first of many children. 30 God then accepted the people he had already decided to choose, and he has shared his glory with them. 31 What can we say about all this? If God is on our side, can anyone be against us?

NASB Joh 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."


NASB 2 Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

CEV 2Th 2:13 My friends, the Lord loves you, and it is only natural for us to thank God for you. God chose you to be the first ones to be saved. His Spirit made you holy, and you put your faith in the truth.


NASB Act 2:39 "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

CEV Act 2:39 This promise is for you and your children. It is for everyone our Lord God will choose, no matter where they live."

Thus the truth... When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

God is Love...... and Paul said no less than 6 times.... All things are of God!
 

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Yea... I understand your frustration... But both of you guys are trying to understand scripture... like all of us....

I agree that you are trying to understand it., and if you do, ever.........then you'll find out that John Calvinism...(as TULIP.. the 5 Points".. is of the Devil, by the Devil and for the Devil.

Till then, keep trying to "figure it out" @Pierac

So,. When you understand Pauline Theology, then get back with me.

(Google that term and see what you discover) and then come and pretend you "always knew all about it'.
 
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NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Correct.

Notice that the verse does not say they are appointed to believe.

It says they are appointed to Eternal LIFE, and that happens after you BELIEVE..

See, when Paul talks about pre-destined, or when the NT does.. its regarding what happens after you are '"IN Christ".

So, once you are "in Christ" then what is appointed, and what is pre-destined, has started.
 

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NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws (DRAGS) him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

Everyone is Drawn......according to Jesus.

Jesus said..>>"If i be lifted up (on the Cross, and He was), then i will Draw ALL people to me".
 

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He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son

Yes.

This is predestined to occur after you are "in Christ"..

So, you have to be born again first, as that pre-destined many things to occur to the Christian after they are born again.