Jews Face a Double Standard

[Cup-of-Ruin]

(tim_from_pa;67615)
The Palestinians? Yeah, that's what I thought. That's the bottom line. Everyone and their brother wants the rights to that land. Show me Scripture that says that regarding Palestinians. I'll wait for your answer, but won't hold my breath in case I die.And in case you haven't read the other post, the link about Jews and Judah is found here.>>>http://www.britam.org/judah.html
The link you supplied me contains information that is incorrect. The "Jews" of today by their own addmission keep the Law of the Talmud, this is the Traditional law and Pharisaism of the Jews, they may have sat in the fasely claimed the seat of Moses, but Jesus tells us that they did not John 5:46 - "For had ye (jews) believed Moses..." They did not believe Moses and neither do they today, neither do they teach or keep the Laws of God, they teach and observe the Tradition of the Elders which is codified in the Talmud, which is the total opposite to the Scriptures."Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and the commandments of men, that turn from the truth" Titus 1:14The Tribe of Judah unlike the Herodian Jews had heeded the prophets, and when Shiloh came, when all prophecises concerning the Messiah were fulfilled in Jesus and as he said "I come only for the lost sheep of Israel", Now His sheep heard Him and they followed and they became the body of Christ and left the land of Jerusalem to join with the "Lost Tribes" who for the most part are still blind to their identity but it is Christians who are the House of israel and the Tribe of Judah as the Covenant was sealed with Divine Blood and the promises to Abraham were fulfilled. The Edomite Jews who became the Khazars stayed in Jerusalem until as Christ prophecised Jerusalem was destroyed and the "Jewish Dispora" of AD 70 began.

 

[Christina]

(Diane;67622)
of course it does, if hamas had invaded israel and were bombing UN schools and told israelis to go to their homes before bombing them then yes. i am in no way condoning hamas or anything they do but there is no excuse for israels actions.
Well your facts are not straight here The Israeli's drop pamphlets warning the people to leave their houses before they bomb not go to them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is Hamas that tells them to stay it is Hamas that sets up their guns in schools and in homes of their own people for the propaganda they get off dead suvillians they hide behind the inocent people because they are terriostsI wonder how any of us would feel if the US government let terrioists send missels into our neighborhoods for 8 years before they finally did anything ........be careful in these matters get the facts not the news media propaganda

 

[Christina]

Well I may not be intellecutual enough for you but I can understand God just fine funny when I give you Gods words you say Im not intellucatual enough LOL..It was scripture God talking "The Whole house of Israel" is alll twelve tribes together 2 of which make up Jews today Ten of which make up the Christian nations these are the two sticks that make The Whole house of Israel and You are the one thats wrong its written throughout scripture both in prophecy and in type ....You may not understand it but its written

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord when I will make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah"[/b]"For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; I will put my Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people"The House of Judah have had the law put in their minds and written on their hearts, they are in Covenant and they know God as it is written, and they know that Jesus is the their Lord and they are Christians that claim the blood of Christ as their sacrifice. This rules out any "Jew" from being the House of Judah, besides the fact that they are from Gomer - Ashkenaz and not even Shemitic let alone from Jacob or Judah.

 

[Jordan]

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Well I may not be intellecutual enough for you but I can understand God just fine funny when I give you Gods words you say Im not intellucatual enough LOL..It was scripture God talking "The Whole house of Israel" is alll twelve tribes together 2 of which make up Jews today Ten of which make up the Christian nations these are the two sticks that make The Whole house of Israel and You are the one thats wrong its written throughout scripture both in prophecy and in type ....You may not understand it but its written
No because Hebrews 8 outlines the the New Covenant it is for the House of Israel and the house of Judah, do I have to inform you of the superiority of the New Covenant over the old?"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord when I will make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah""For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; I will put my Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people"The House of Judah have had the law put in their minds and written on their hearts, they are in Covenant and they know God as it is written, and they know that Jesus is the their Lord and they are Christians that claim the blood of Christ as their sacrifice. This rules out any "Jew" from being the House of Judah, besides the fact that they are from Gomer - Ashkenaz and not even Shemitic let alone from Jacob or Judah.

Do I have to inform you that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed? There is nothing new under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 1:9)The New Testament is in no way superior over the Old Testament. Nor does the Old Testament is superior over the New Testament.Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[Christina]

No because Hebrews 8 outlines the the New Covenant it is for the House of Israel and the house of Judah, do I have to inform you of the superiority of the New Covenant over the old?"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord when I will make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah""For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; I will put my Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people"You just prove my point with the above post the only thing wrong is your commentary on it I will put it hasn't been done yet and wont be until he returns and we have one King the King of Kings you are missing the fact that all these prophecies have NOT!!been fulfilled yet its still the time of the gentile

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The whole Book of Hebrews and the entire New Testament is a testament to the superiority of the New Covenant.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

(Christina;67638)
No because Hebrews 8 outlines the the New Covenant it is for the House of Israel and the house of Judah, do I have to inform you of the superiority of the New Covenant over the old?"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord when I will make a new Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah""For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; I will put my Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a people"You just prove my point with the above post the only thing wrong is your commentary on it I will put it hasn't been done yet and wont be until he returns and we have one King the King of Kings you are missing the fact that all these prophecies have NOT!!been fulfilled yet its still the time of the gentile
It is not a prophecy it is the New Covenant, I don't know if you are aware of it but as a Christian you are under blood covenant, that covenant is PROPHECISED in Jeremiah 31. then it is confirmed and sealed by the blood of Christ and the new Covenant with the House of Judah and the House of Israel is accomplished.Hebrews 10:7-9"Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the Book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offerings, offerings for sin thou wouldest not, neither had pleasure therein, which are offered by the law. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second"The Covenant is sealed, not partly enacted, or partly achieved, it is as it is written, there is no other Covenant other than that that is given in Jeremiah 31. and Hebrews 8 and it is only with the House of Israel and the House of Judah, not a part of Judah or a fraction or a few, NO, it is the whole House, all of Israel heard the Great Shepard and became Christian as Christ said "It is done"!!!!

 

[tim_from_pa]

(Cup-of-Ruin;67626)
The link you supplied me contains information that is incorrect. The "Jews" of today by their own addmission keep the Law of the Talmud, this is the Traditional law and Pharisaism of the Jews, they may have sat in the fasely claimed the seat of Moses, but Jesus tells us that they did not John 5:46 - "For had ye (jews) believed Moses..." They did not believe Moses and neither do they today, neither do they teach or keep the Laws of God, they teach and observe the Tradition of the Elders which is codified in the Talmud, which is the total opposite to the Scriptures."Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and the commandments of men, that turn from the truth" Titus 1:14The Tribe of Judah unlike the Herodian Jews had heeded the prophets, and when Shiloh came, when all prophecises concerning the Messiah were fulfilled in Jesus and as he said "I come only for the lost sheep of Israel", Now His sheep heard Him and they followed and they became the body of Christ and left the land of Jerusalem to join with the "Lost Tribes" who for the most part are still blind to their identity but it is Christians who are the House of israel and the Tribe of Judah as the Covenant was sealed with Divine Blood and the promises to Abraham were fulfilled. The Edomite Jews who became the Khazars stayed in Jerusalem until as Christ prophecised Jerusalem was destroyed and the "Jewish Dispora" of AD 70 began.
Well, you still did not answer the question then who does keep the Law, who keeps the Sabbaths and who keeps the feasts by which the people of God were known? That link supplies prophecies to show that Judah would do that. If you do not believe the Jews are Judah, then you have to FIND a people who do just as the scriptures say and stop dancing around plain scriptures like that. To say that Judah are lost like the house of Israel does not cut it. And if I may add Ezekiel 37 was not fulfilled yet, so Judah and Israel must still be separate, unlike what you are saying.

 

[Diane]

(Christina;67628)
Well your facts are not straight here The Israeli's drop pamphlets warning the people to leave their houses before they bomb not go to them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is Hamas that tells them to stay it is Hamas that sets up their guns in schools and in homes of their own people for the propaganda they get off dead suvillians they hide behind the inocent people because they are terriostsI wonder how any of us would feel if the US government let terrioists send missels into our neighborhoods for 8 years before they finally did anything ........be careful in these matters get the facts not the news media propaganda
right-so where exactly are they supposed to go when israel is bombing the whole of gaza and are patroling the borders? if israel really felt what they were doing was right they would let journalists in which they are not. it doesn't surpirse me that amerian media would be full of propaganda which you've obviously been fed. even impartial groups like amnesty international are denouncing what israel is doing. even today a jewish professor who used to serve in the israeli army denounced israels actions and stated they began the attacks. there is no excuse for what israel is doing.

 

[Jordan]

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Well your facts are not straight here The Israeli's drop pamphlets warning the people to leave their houses before they bomb not go to them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is Hamas that tells them to stay it is Hamas that sets up their guns in schools and in homes of their own people for the propaganda they get off dead suvillians they hide behind the inocent people because they are terriostsI wonder how any of us would feel if the US government let terrioists send missels into our neighborhoods for 8 years before they finally did anything ........be careful in these matters get the facts not the news media propaganda
right-so where exactly are they supposed to go when israel is bombing the whole of gaza and are patroling the borders? if israel really felt what they were doing was right they would let journalists in which they are not. it doesn't surpirse me that amerian media would be full of propaganda which you've obviously been fed. even impartial groups like amnesty international are denouncing what israel is doing. even today a jewish professor who used to serve in the israeli army denounced israels actions and stated they began the attacks. there is no excuse for what israel is doing.

Malachi 1:1 - The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.Malachi 1:2 - I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Genesis 32:28 - And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.Genesis 35:10 - And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

 

[Christina]

Obviously you wouldn't mind then if it was your neighborhood The whole world has a double standard when it comes to Israel its all Israels fault ... yep just as God said I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all the World ...guess what God's on the side of Israel ... Hamas wont stop attacking her people firing rockets but heaven forbid she fight back ...someone might get hurt ......but hey dont do it to my neighborhood A world full of hypocrites ... Why dont the Palistinians rise up against Hamas....... oh no they wont do anything for their selves they will just wait let Hamas put guns in their houses shoot missels from their roofs and school yards at civilians in Israel ...then when they fight back we can all blame Israel ...good plan just how Satan would plan ithimself

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

(tim_from_pa;67657)
Well, you still did not answer the question then who does keep the Law, who keeps the Sabbaths and who keeps the feasts by which the people of God were known? That link supplies prophecies to show that Judah would do that. If you do not believe the Jews are Judah, then you have to FIND a people who do just as the scriptures say and stop dancing around plain scriptures like that. To say that Judah are lost like the house of Israel does not cut it. And if I may add Ezekiel 37 was not fulfilled yet, so Judah and Israel must still be separate, unlike what you are saying.
The Law was fullfilled by Jesus so in regard to the Sabbath, it is as God intended it, everyday is the Sabbath for man is to do good on the Sabbath as Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew Chap. 12., so "Jews" having a day off and doing nothing is not keeping the Law, as it was given to us in Scripture, true Christians are keeping the Sabbath.The "lawgivers" from Judah; David, Solomon until "shiloh" come (Jesus), His birth and gathering of His people Israel to follow Him as Christians under New Covenant - New Law or fullfilled Law. Genesis 49:10 is the prophecy for the Judah until Christ was born, "until Shiloh come" does not say "return" or "come again" or "on second coming"! This prophecy has been fulfilled.Ezekiel 37 prophecy has not taken place, neither is it taking place now, as Judah is not in the Holy Land, Ashkenaz/Esau is in accordance with Revelation 2:9.Now I could go through all the Laws, if you like, but first what you must understand is that the "Jews" and Rabbis practice and keep Talmudic Law, the Torah is just their version of the Old Testament, it is a version and not the original, the "Jew" completed their Torah after they had written the Talmud, they invented Masoretic Hebrew in the Dark Ages, it evolved as a language out of the Herodian Script.

 

[tim_from_pa]

The "lawgivers" from Judah; David, Solomon until "shiloh" come (Jesus), His birth and gathering of His people Israel to follow Him as Christians under New Covenant - New Law or fullfilled Law. Genesis 49:10 is the prophecy for the Judah until Christ was born, "until Shiloh come" does not say "return" or "come again" or "on second coming"! This prophecy has been fulfilled.
Genesis 49:10: The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.Don't sound like the bolden part was fulfilled to me yet. For Judah to have a perpetual Lawgiver from between his feet (a euphemism for one's offspring from their loins in perpetual generations), then they have to be practicing God's Law. And for that to happen, they have to be known as God's people (i.e. not have lost their identity). If Judah lost their identity like the lost tribes, then this prophecy and scores of others like it would be false. Sorry, I'm not convinced because I don't like Swiss cheese.Your comments sound somewhat Preteristic to me.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

(tim_from_pa;67692)
Genesis 49:10: The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.Don't sound like the bolden part was fulfilled to me yet. For Judah to have a perpetual Lawgiver from between his feet (a euphemism for one's offspring from their loins in perpetual generations), then they have to be practicing God's Law. And for that to happen, they have to be known as God's people (i.e. not have lost their identity). If Judah lost their identity like the lost tribes, then this prophecy and scores of others like it would be false. Sorry, I'm not convinced because I don't like Swiss cheese.Your comments sound somewhat Preteristic to me.
Judah lineage is traced to this day, many can trace their ancestors to the Tribe of Judah, just none of them are Jews, "the gathering of the people" is to Christ, they became Christians and Christians are under Covenant as I explained several times and Jews are not and do not practice God's Law, in fact it was never given to them, because they were never on Mt Sinai, as they say "we were never in captivity" which is true.Universal Jewish Encyclopedia page 474, -"The Jewish Religion, traces it's descent, without break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Thr Talmud is the largest and most important single member of their literature; the study which is essential for a real understanding of Pharisaism"The Babylonian Talmud was originally called "The Tradition of the Elders" (Laws of Men) The Jews confirm this when talking to Christ in Matthew 15:2 "Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread." Christ answers Matthew 15:3 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" now that is prophecy in 15:9.

 

[Christina]

What part of they are under a slumber are you confused about Cup? we follow the Bible not what the Jews under a slumber say if they knew where the 10 lost tribes were they wouldnt call them lost .... I ask again why are the two always written seperate as Israel and Judah in scripture... You are following mens words here not Gods secondly if their records are so great why didnt they know about the Ethopian Jews ..God will not disclose what he doesnt want seen to whom he choses. We must go to scripture for the answers and then rightly divivde future from past

 

[tim_from_pa]

Judah lineage is traced to this day, many can trace their ancestors to the Tribe of Judah, just none of them are Jews, "the gathering of the people" is to Christ, they became Christians and Christians are under Covenant as I explained several times and Jews are not and do not practice God's Law, in fact it was never given to them, because they were never on Mt Sinai, as they say "we were never in captivity" which is true.
You are referencing the royal lineage of Judah, or some people from Judah captured with Israel, but the Jews were those left in Jerusalem and taken in the Babylonian captivity. These people were the ones prophesied to reject Christ as Jesus came to his own and His own received Him not. Or again, Jesus said that a prophet is not accepted in his own country (kindred). However, they kept the OT Law such as feast days which is what was required according to prophecy. I care not if tradition of men crept in as that does with anyone, including Christianity. But if you do not have the Jews, then NOBODY is keeping the OT Law and God's Word would be lying. And again, I reiterate that who in their right mind would want to hold the name of Jew (which originated from the word Judah) and take all that persecution if they were from some other people? Makes absolutely no sense.I also take issue with racial purity doctrines. Joseph had an Egyptian wife so the adopted children of Israel were 1/2 Egyptian. The house of Israel scattered throughout the nations as did the Jews. The bible records in other genealogies at time of Gentile blood mixed, even in Christ's lineage such as Ruth the Moabite. (Gentiles are anyone not directly in the promised lineage, but can have a common ancestor)As for gathering to Christ, that is the church, the elect of grace. The rest of Israel is the elect of race as there are two elections. Election does not equate to salvation. The purpose of the church now is to prepare a select few people for the kingdom later on, which BTW means that SOME of the people are obedient to Christ now. But the prophecy requires all of them.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

(Christina;67698)
What part of they are under a slumber are you confused about Cup? we follow the Bible not what the Jews under a slumber say if they knew where the 10 lost tribes were they wouldnt call them lost .... I ask again why are the two always written seperate as Israel and Judah in scripture... You are following mens words here not Gods secondly if their records are so great why didnt they know about the Ethopian Jews ..God will not disclose what he doesnt want seen to whom he choses. We must go to scripture for the answers and then rightly divivde future from past
Well yes, many of Israel and Judah are still blind to their identity as the Israelites of the OT, Isaiah 42:16-19, and was to be called a new name (Christian) Isaiah 62:1-2. As I have explained several times the Word of God has no word for "jew" or "non-jew" where it says "jew" it is translated from "Judean" and that is defined in Strong's and by any good Biblical scholar is relating to a Geographic area- a resident thereof.The Jews of today practice Talmudic Law, that is what any Rabbi will tell you and what any good History book or encyclopedia, they don't practice Mosaic Law, they trace their lineage to Ashkenaz - Gomer and Esau/Edom. The description we have pertaining to the identity of these "jews" is given be Jesus in Matthew 23:13-, and Revelation 2:9.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

No those who are named "jews" in the New Testament testify in John 8:33; "We be Abraham's seed (By Esau) and were never in bondage to any man; how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free"Which is true the "jews" were never in captivity in Babylon, Egypt or Assyria, that was Jacob/Israel!

These people were the ones prophesied to reject Christ as Jesus came to his own and His own received Him not.

Even His family rejected Him, He was betrayed with kiss from a friend and denied by Peter, etc. the Prphecy relates definately to His own, but the "jews" murdered Jesus, that is a something else.

However, they kept the OT Law such as feast days which is what was required according to prophecy.

No Feast days are not required to be kept, and again "Jews" keep Talmudic Law not Mosiac Law.

I care not if tradition of men crept in as that does with anyone, including Christianity. But if you do not have the Jews, then NOBODY is keeping the OT Law and God's Word would be lying.

Yes they are as it is prohecised in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8.In regard to Judah, Paul explains in Hebrews 7:12-14"For the preisthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the Law. For He of whom these thing are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which Moses spoke nothing concerning preisthood"

And again, I reiterate that who in their right mind would want to hold the name of Jew (which originated from the word Judah) and take all that persecution if they were from some other people? Makes absolutely no sense.

THe Descendents of Esau would as they want to be the 'Chosen Race', and in what way have "jews" been persucuted more than anybody else?, they recieve massive amounts of international funding and support for their cause and practically control the Media companies of the entire earth.

I also take issue with racial purity doctrines. Joseph had an Egyptian wife so the adopted children of Israel were 1/2 Egyptian.

Joseph married Asenath who was the daughter of Potipherah, Preist of On, the Priests of On in Egypt were of the line of Shem.

The house of Israel scattered throughout the nations as did the Jews. The bible records in other genealogies at time of Gentile blood mixed, even in Christ's lineage such as Ruth the Moabite. (Gentiles are anyone not directly in the promised lineage, but can have a common ancestor)

First see my thread on "Gentiles" and it's true Biblical Koine Greek definition.The first land that the Israelites conquered was Moab, God commanded Israel to totally exterminate all occupants of Moab land, where they were to settle, and they did that; Deuteronomy 2:32-34. This was in 1450 BC and from that time on the Moab territory was Israelite with no Moab left alive as the Bible tells us. Now go to Ruth 1:1 which records "went to sojourn in the country of Moab" which was occupied by Israelites and this is in 1143 BC some 130 years after all Moab people were exterminated, but the land was still called Moab. Deuteronomy 23:3. Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah chapter 48, Isaiah 25:10!NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HAS MOAB BLOOD IN HIM!Ruth was a pure blooded Israelite from the land of Moab, not the race of Moab, and this is clearly told in the Bible!

 

[tim_from_pa]

No those who are named "jews" in the New Testament testify in John 8:33; "We be Abraham's seed (By Esau) and were never in bondage to any man; how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free"
By Esau.... nice ad lib there. My bible must have missed that. (1611 KJV)
Which is true the "jews" were never in captivity in Babylon, Egypt or Assyria, that was Jacob/Israel!
Let's test that by scripture, shall we since I am a man who reads it straightforward:And they made proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of the captivity, that they should gather themselves together unto Jerusalem;And that whosoever would not come within three days, according to the counsel of the princes and the elders, all his substance should be forfeited, and himself separated from the congregation of those that had been carried away.Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together unto Jerusalem within three days. And again,He came unto his own, and his own received him not.Because as Jesus said (speaking of the children of Israel)Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.And in the end times these same people will have a change of heart as prophesied in Zechariah:And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.How can we be sure that some of his own people pierced him?Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.Song and dance all you like, but I made my case and careful observation will show these are not parables nor taken out of context.To everyone else reading these posts:This is why is am gun shy lately about speaking about lost tribes to anyone any more. The church has had some errors (and I said some) in it and did not see the straightforward history of the Isralites and how they split into two kingdoms. One returned to the land (before Jesus' time so that Messiah could be born in the land) and the other became Gentile nations who would become the purveyors of the Messiah's message. This was all prophesied in the bible, and this is why there is repetition in the bible ad nauseam mentioning house of Israel, house of Judah, house of Israel, house of Judah........In one sense, we see judgments, and in the other it sounds almost Christian with grace (e.g. grace in the wilderness). Consequently, I get lumped in with one crowd or the other when in fact I moon these asteroid orifice guys on TV whether they be at a pulpit or sitting behind a desk with flags or whatever their environment because they are all false prophets (most made predictions that did not come true so biblically they are false prophets).So.... seeing this error in the church, Satan as usual comes as an angel of Light and then asks "why not make Judah lost as well? Just say the Jews are not Judah." And then the pendulum swings the other way without regard for anything in the middle. The bottom line: nobody wants to be a conformist in the slightest detail. However, saying something opposite is a conformist---- a negative conformist. People always have to swing to one extreme or the other, never a middle ground in these things. I've proven to any biblical satisfaction that the Jews are Judah and yet there are some that song and dance around that scripture and I suspect just to be at odds because the mainline teaches it. well, sometimes the mainliners are correct. Read my online book below Judah's Sceptre Joseph's Birthright. Section 1 chapter nine Rev. Allen makes a very good SCRIPTURAL case for the Jews being Judah. Oh to go back to the days when preachers were once humble and unassuming like him and not call one names because they did not agree with their teaching! (I'm turning around and dropping my pants again.)