Jesus was tempted

[MatthewG]

"I believe Jesus experienced as a man the very thoughts we do, and therefore he shares the state of the human heart."

Hello,

I do believe Jesus experienced temptations as we do, because he was a man.

Jesus was defiled, per MattG adding Mark 7:21 to prove his point.

I don’t believe Jesus was defiled.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was the second Adam.

Jesus was cool, amazing, wonderful, and to me is my King.

The only one to ever change my life personally.

 

[MatthewG]

It is amazing to me the roundabout arguments people have. I do have some problems with some things, but alas. In the end, people must decide, who is the king, to them?

Is it Donald Trump, is it grandpa and grandpa…. Is it your own wife or husband, is it your children, is it being in the crowd, is it being a part of the crowd… etc…

 

[pepper]

Hello,

I do believe Jesus experienced temptations as we do, because he was a man.

I don’t believe Jesus was defiled.

Then I think you would have used a different scripture so to reiterate yet again that Jesus was tempted,provoked, by Satan.

Jesus knew He was above falling into temptation. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Satan didn't know that. Which is why Satan prefaced every temptation to get Jesus to obey him with, if you be,are, the Son of God....

There was no inducement Satan could provide Emmanuel that would lead Emmanuel to Sin.

There is a difference between being tempted to Sin and committing Sin.

You're fixed on the temptation of Jesus.

When in truth his being tempted does not prove Jesus was just a man while on Earth.Nor does it imply He could have Sinned.

It proves Satan didn't know Jesus was also God with us on Earth.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Thank God for anointed preachers/teachers!

But they are not anointed and usually lack real job skills.

 

[Verily]

But they are not anointed and usually lack real job skills.

Paul was an anointed tentmaker. He more than likely had more job skill than most do today, because they couldn't just learn to code back then.

 

[pepper]

Thank God for anointed preachers/teachers!

The question of Jesus temptations has been raised again. It is a complex, but very important area of theology. Here are twelve points to keep in mind about Jesus’ temptations.

Thinking about Jesus’ experience of temptation highlights the mystery of his person. Since Jesus is fully God and fully human—and Creator and creature are infinitely different—then there must be mysteries, and even paradoxes in what we affirm about Jesus. We can affirm certain things, as I will here, but we cannot hope to describe Jesus’ inner experience of temptation.

The New Testament words translated “tempt” and “temptation” (peirazo/peirasmo) mean test or trial, they do not always refer to “enticement to do wrong” (what we could call moral trial).

We should not assume that every time the New Testament speaks of temptation it means an inner desire toward sin.



Jesus faced the trials of suffering and death (Luke 22:28), and moral trial as the Tempter sought to divert him from his devotion to God (Matt 4:3).
The gospels highlight Jesus’ moral trials at the start of his ministry (Matt 4:1-11 Mark 1:12, 13; Luke 4:1-13). These Satanic temptations continued through his whole life (Luke 4:13). His death was the height of his trials, both general and moral (Luke 22:28,48; John 12:27).

Jesus’ temptations were focused on his messianic task, they were opportunities to turn from the path of suffering and death. They were also general human temptations. The temptations in the wilderness related to his identity as the Son of God, but were also common human temptations to doubt God’s goodness, test God’s faithfulness and turn to false worship.

Satan appealed to Christ’s valid human needs for food, reassurance, success. From these we can start to think of how Jesus was “tempted in every way” (Heb 4:15). Yes?

Through temptation and obedience, Jesus was fully qualified (“made perfect”) to be saviour and the high priest for God’s people (Heb 2:10). Here “made perfect” (teleioo) means fully equipped for God’s purpose, not correcting Jesus’ life as if he needed to be turned away from sin.

Jesus lived, and faced temptation, by the power of the Spirit (Matt 1:18; 3:16; 4:1; 12:18, 28; Luke 1:35, 80; 4:1, 18; 10:21; John 1:32-33; 3:34; 6:63). By the Spirit he offered himself to God in his death (Heb 9:14).

Jesus did not sin. He is “without sin” (Heb. 4:15 cf 7:26) and “committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth” (1 Pet. 2:22 cf John 8:46; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Jn 3:5).

Although there is some debate about this, we should affirm the Christ has no ‘sinful nature’. He came as the head of a new humanity just because he is the second Adam, not a member of the first Adam. To be truly human does not require a fallen nature, in fact the fall distorts and corrupts humanity. True humanity is only restored in Christ.

He was free from inherent sin. Nowhere in the structures of his being was there any sin. Satan had no foothold in him. There was no lust. There was no affinity with sin. There was no proloctivity to sin. There was no possibility of temptation from within. In no respect was he fallen and in no respect was his nature corrupt.[1]@Heart2Soul

To be truly human does not require a fallen nature, in fact the fall distorts and corrupts humanity. True humanity is only restored in Christ.


Enticement for Christ to turn from God’s way came from outside of himself.

Satan could use Jesus’ valid human desires, which in a fallen world are weaknesses (Heb 5:2). In this sense, Jesus’ temptations were certainly ‘inner’. The enticement, and the sinfulness, came to Christ from the Tempter.

If we ask, “Could Jesus have sinned?”, we arrive at a point of paradox. As God, he could not sin; as a human there must be some sense in which he could sin. The very fact of temptation implies the possibility of sin. How could the One who cannot sin face the prospect of being enticed into sin? Who can imagine?

Jesus’ temptations were entirely real. He entered our battle and lived under the conditions of our struggle, seeing it to the very end (unlike us).

Jesus’ temptations were more intense than those endured by any other person. The New Testament witness to the Satanic activity around Jesus ministry highlights the intensity of his temptations. In agony in Gethsemane he strained to commit himself to follow his Father’s will (Matt. 26:37–39; Luke 22:41–44). This point is underline in famous words from Westcott on Hebrews 2:18.

‘Sympathy with the sinner does not depend on the experience of sin but on the experience of the strength of the temptation to sin which only the sinless can know in its full intensity. He who falls yields before the last strain’.[2]

Jesus’ temptations were more intense than those endured by any other person.


The temptations of Christ are central to his work. They also remind us of the mystery of the incarnation.

No doubt, as with our temptations, Satan appealed to Christ’s human desires and weaknesses.

There are two great difference between Christ’s temptations and ours. First, our temptations arise, in part, from our own distorted desires; to the extent that they were enticement to sin, his came from without.

Second, Christ resisted temptation entirely and utterly, continually dedicating himself to his Father’s will. He alone knows the full pain and cost of resisting temptation. Thank God, he did that for us.

You want the link?

J.

You will find there are those who will also insist Jesus was born with a Sin nature. Which often enough is the point they will use to support why Jesus could then be tempted.

It no longer surprises me to find those who identify as Christian while they insist on denying the divinity of our Savior.

 

[Johann]

You will find there are those who will also insist Jesus was born with a Sin nature. Which often enough is the point they will use to support why Jesus could then be tempted.

It no longer surprises me to find those who identify as Christian while they insist on denying the divinity of our Savior.

There is a full blown war raging here, if you ask me.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Then I think you would have used a different scripture so to reiterate yet again that Jesus was tempted,provoked, by Satan.

It doesn’t matter what you may think… Jesus was tempted. He said what he did in expressing the hearts of mankind, in what lies within the desires of man…

People suggest it’s taboo to suggest Jesus would have had wrapped thoughts, but no matter what, he was tempted, but never sinned.

 

[pepper]

There is a full blown war raging here, if you ask me.

J.

Sure. You will find them in every active Christian community online.

I was visiting a forum that is pretty much dead. Not many posts. There was a site mentioned there, God is Hate.

So,I looked them up.
Yes,there is a war going on in active Christian forums. Remember, Satan persuaded 1/3rd of God's angels to join him in a war against the Father.

He has followers on Earth too.

 

[pepper]

It doesn’t matter what you may think… Jesus was tempted. He said what he did in expressing the hearts of mankind, in what lies within the desires of man…

People suggest it’s taboo to suggest Jesus would have had wrapped thoughts, but no matter what, he was tempted, but never sinned.

I wish you find healing from the true motive for your fixation.
I say this on behalf of the dead horse.

 

[MatthewG]

I wish you find healing from the true motive for your fixation.
I say this on behalf of the dead horse.

Pepper. I don’t care. It sounds mean or whatever but I really truly do not.

 

[Johann]

Sure. You will find them in every active Christian community online.

I was visiting a forum that is pretty much dead. Not many posts. There was a site mentioned there, God is Hate.

So,I looked them up.
Yes,there is a war going on in active Christian forums. Remember, Satan persuaded 1/3rd of God's angels to join him in a war against the Father.

He has followers on Earth too.

The issue here is that you don't always know who you're dealing with online-many people claim to be Christians but live, dress, and act like the world. As you’re aware, core doctrines are being redefined, and unfortunately, I find myself under fire. If I attempt to "correct" anything, it’s often seen as flaming or goading.

I feel as though my wings are being clipped.

Have a blessed day and stand for the truth in Christ Jesus.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s not hard to let people be. I’ll tell you that much.

I’m not no perfect human and I play the fool well, but I’m also not no fool.

There are people on the internet that get on boards like this and just think it’s not real.

It’s just talk.

Some people take it to far and cross boundaries so I get to the point I just don’t care.

And there isn’t anything wrong with doing so.

 

[pepper]

The issue here is that you don't always know who you're dealing with online-many people claim to be Christians but live, dress, and act like the world. As you’re aware, core doctrines are being redefined, and unfortunately, I find myself under fire. If I attempt to "correct" anything, it’s often seen as flaming or goading.

I feel as though my wings are being clipped.

Have a blessed day and stand for the truth in Christ Jesus.

J.

I've been accused of the same thing brother. The truth is anathema to the enemy and his faithful. And it is true. His faithful are everywhere as we should expect when the enemy himself can,and has, appeared as an angel of light that can also quote scripture.

 

[MatthewG]

You just walk away is what Jesus said.

 

[MonoBiblical]

It doesn’t matter what you may think… Jesus was tempted. He said what he did in expressing the hearts of mankind, in what lies within the desires of man…

People suggest it’s taboo to suggest Jesus would have had wrapped thoughts, but no matter what, he was tempted, but never sinned.

It is not so much the "sin nature". They think Jesus was immune to selfishness. And having a selfishness means having a self-survival.

 

[Johann]

I've been accused of the same thing brother. The truth is anathema to the enemy and his faithful. And it is true. His faithful are everywhere as we should expect when the enemy himself can,and has, appeared as an angel of light that can also quote scripture.

Well said, brother. This is where discerning the spirits is imperative. As Scripture tells us, we can "know" when we are dealing with a facade of godliness. For the Apostle Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 11:14, "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

Likewise, Jesus warned in Matthew 7:15-16, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits."

Furthermore, as Jesus stated in Matthew 23:27-28, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

Thus, the truth remains clear-we must be vigilant in recognizing those who outwardly appear godly but inwardly are far from it.

God bless.

J.

 

[IronMaiden]

It is amazing to me the roundabout arguments people have. I do have some problems with some things, but alas. In the end, people must decide, who is the king, to them?

Is it Donald Trump, is it grandpa and grandpa…. Is it your own wife or husband, is it your children, is it being in the crowd, is it being a part of the crowd… etc…

Jesus is my King, too. …for where would I be without Him?

 

[MatthewG]

I ain’t here to judge no one. And if people desire to make them feel as though they are someone, by all means go ahead.

I ain’t worried about my reputation at the end of it all. People can like me, hate me, not stand me, talk behind my back.

Whatever ya know. I love you all and hope the best for you cause at the end of the day it’s gonna be were your heart is…

Is it as mono states, selfishness or whatever, life is tough already is it.