Jesus was not a Jew?

[Behold]

Regarding : MARY.

Notice that Paul says....

Galatians 4:4. ..... Paul simply connotes that God's son was "born of a WOMAN, born under the law."

So, why did Paul not name her?

This is why.

1.) Jesus said... "But JESUS replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and MOTHER.”

and notice this reader...

When Jesus was about to Die, He said this..

""""When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, WOMAN, behold thy son"

Christ didn't NAME her...
Neither does Paul.

Now, is "Mary, blessed among women"?

Of course.. she birthed the Messiah.

However....Is she blessed above them,..= is Mary to be worshipped?

A.) NEVER
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[Matthias]

Greeting, Brother.

Sorry for my delayed reply.

Thank you for getting back to me.

What was Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām)’s religion?

Judaism.

According to Islam, Yeshua was sent (by the Beloved) to the Children of Israel to confirm the revelation given to the Moses (ʿalayhi as-salām).

Yeshua says to his people:

‘I have come to confirm the truth of the Torah which preceded me, and to make some things lawful unto you part of that which was forbidden. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. Be mindful of Allāh, obey me: Allāh is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him – that is a straight path.’ (Al‘Imran: 50-51).

Shaykh Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes:

‘The language of confirmation echoes the manner in which the Quran is said to confirm earlier revelations. To make lawful unto you part of that which was forbidden is understood to pertain to certain dietary restrictions, but not to fundamental moral injunctions such as those against murder and adultery. What was previously forbidden and is now made lawful was either some of the rules in the Torah or restrictions the Israelites imposed upon themselves in succeeding generations.

‘This latter interpretation, that Jesus did not change any aspect of Moses’ original revelation, is supported by Jesus’ words in 43:63: I have come unto you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that wherein you differ. Some commentators maintain that what Jesus brought was “gentler” than what Moses brought and constituted an “alleviation”’. (‘The Study Qur’an).

The New Testament suggests (persuasively) that Yeshua did not reject Judaism. On the contrary, he remained dedicated to that Faith throughout his ministry.

The French Catholic theologian, Jean Guitton writes:

‘In his historical humanity, Jesus was a devout Israelite, practicing the law to the full, from circumcision to Pesach, paying the half-shekel for the Temple. Jerusalem, the capital of his nation, was the city he loved: Jesus wept over it. Jesus had spiritually realized the germinal aspiration of his people, which was to raise the God of Israel...’ (‘Great Heresies and Church Councils).

Samuel Ungerleider – Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies at Brown University – writes of Yeshua that:

‘He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests....’ (Quoted in the website ‘Frontline – From Jesus to Christ’)

William Goodwin – Aurelio Professor of the Appreciation of Scripture, at Boston University – writes:

‘What astonishes me when I read the stories about Jesus in the New Testament, is how completely embedded he is in this first century... Jewish world of religious practice and piety.

‘(…) He is presented as going up to Jerusalem for the pilgrimage holidays, specifically in John, for any number of pilgrimage holidays, and in the synoptic gospels, most importantly, for Passover. Jerusalem at Passover is not the sort of place you'd want to be in unless you were really committed to doing an awful lot of ritual activity with tremendous historical resonance....

‘What we've learned from the gospel stories is not that Jesus was not Jewish. Quite the opposite. He's completely embedded in the Judaism of his time…….’ (Ibid.)

Blessings.

I‘m delighted that we‘re able to agree that the religion of Jesus is Judaism. I’ve met some Christians and Muslims who have held the position that his religion isn’t Judaism. How do you account for that?

Here’s an example from an Islamic source:

”Muslims believe that Jesus, like all other prophets and Messengers, was a Muslim.”

(Islam For Christians, “Was Jesus a Muslim?”)

Was Jesus a Muslim?

No wonder, Muslims do love Jesus. A person cannot be Muslim without believing in Jesus. Muslims believe that Jesus, like all other prophets and Messengers, was a Muslim.

islamforchristians.com

 

[Matthias]

Hello Matthias, and how are you all?

We are well. I hope you are as well.

Interesting question, We believe in order to answer your question one must search for the answer, but have you, looked at these views along with others?

Thanks. Yes. I’ve looked at other views, including the sources you kindly provided.

Jesus was not a Jew?​

Who Is Jesus Christ? – Part 3

Jesus Many Faces - He Was Born, Lived And Died As A Jew | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

Was Yeshua Really The Son Of David And The Genealogy Of Jesus Christ

One of the most central tenets of Christianity is that Jesus was the prophesied Christ, the Messiah.

Time and again, Jesus referenced His fulfilling that role—sometimes subtly, sometimes overtly. If it can be proven He was not whom He claimed He was, then Christianity would collapse. If He was not the Christ—the prophesied coming King of an eternal kingdom—then why should anyone believe His words? He would be an imposter, and thus should be rejected.

Can it be verified that Jesus fulfilled the numerous Old Testament prophecies concerning the Christ? If so, why did the Jews of the first century reject Him?

To be continued

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[Matthias]

Regarding : MARY.

Notice that Paul says....

Galatians 4:4. ..... Paul simply connotes that God's son was "born of a WOMAN, born under the law."

So, why did Paul not name her?

This is why.

1.) Jesus said... "But JESUS replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and MOTHER.”

and notice this reader...

When Jesus was about to Die, He said this..

""""When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, WOMAN, behold thy son"

Christ didn't NAME her...
Neither does Paul.

Now, is "Mary, blessed among women"?

Of course.. she birthed the Messiah.

However....Is she blessed above them,..= is Mary to be worshipped?

A.) NEVER
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Mary is a Jew. Like Jesus, her religion is Judaism.

 

[Niblo]

Thank you for getting back to me.



I‘m delighted that we‘re able to agree that the religion of Jesus is Judaism. I’ve met some Christians and Muslims who have held the position that his religion isn’t Judaism. How do you account for that?

Here’s an example from an Islamic source:

”Muslims believe that Jesus, like all other prophets and Messengers, was a Muslim.”

(Islam For Christians, “Was Jesus a Muslim?”)

Was Jesus a Muslim?

No wonder, Muslims do love Jesus. A person cannot be Muslim without believing in Jesus. Muslims believe that Jesus, like all other prophets and Messengers, was a Muslim.

islamforchristians.com

Greetings, Brother.

How do I account for the position held by Christians and Muslims who hold that Yeshua’s religion isn’t Judaism?

Want of knowledge.

For both Christians and Muslims today, the word ‘Muslim’ is taken as a reference to those who follow Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam). In the Qur’an, however, its usage refers to the submission of a believer to the Will of the Beloved; to that submission rightly regarded as inherent in true faith.

The disciples of Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) declare:

‘We are helpers of Allāh! We believe! Bear witness that we are submitters’ (mus'limūna)’ (Al‘Imran: 52).

I have no doubt that you will agree with this:

‘Who speaks better than someone who calls people to Allāh, does what is right, and says, ‘I am one of those who submit to Allāh’ (l-mus'limīna)?’ (Fussilat: 33).

Without doubt, Yeshua was one such person – one whose submission was absolute. He was not a 'Muslim' (in the sense that I am); but he was, most certainly, a ‘muslim’.

Blessings.

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For You” feed an hour ago:

“The ‘Jesus wasn’t a Jew’ crowd is playing with fire.” - Gabriel Hughes

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X / Twitter knows me well. Maybe too well.

 

[APAK]

I believe that Jesus was a Jew. There are members of the Board who believe that Jesus was not a Jew.

I invite those who don’t believe Jesus was a Jew to put forth their case for us to examine in this thread.

Matthias: I'm one who believes the Jews especially, since 500 AD who practices the religion of Judaism are not the Jews and the ones of the same religion during the time of Christ and before.

Thus, my answers to your OP depend on who we are speaking about. Jesus was a Jew of those times and before only, unrelated to those of today.

 

[Matthias]

Matthias: I'm one who believes the Jews especially, since 500 AD who practices the religion of Judaism are not the Jews and the ones of the same religion during the time of Christ and before.

Thus, my answers to your OP depend on who we are speaking about. Jesus was a Jew of those times and before only, unrelated to those of today.

In what way is he related to Jews of those times and before? In what way is he not related to Jews of today?

What is the significance of 500 AD?

 

[APAK]

In what way is he related to Jews of those times and before? In what way is he not related to Jews of today?

What is the significance of 500 AD?

Well the nation and blood-lines of Jews in the 1st century became lost and cut-off through the Roman/nations wars, slavery and assimilation into the other nations. Today we have pseudo-imposter set Jews, self-styled Jews, especially those of influence and in power, who are not genuine Jews at all.

The year around 500 AD symbolized and sets the time when Judaism of today was born. The Jew of the time of Christ would not recognized their teachings. E.g. Babylonian Talmud was codified around 500 AD. And the other mystery writings that formed modern day Judaism. I do not believe the Jews of the 1st century called their beliefs (of the Pharisees, the Law) as Judaism at all. It just confused the issue of what was taught then and today.

The only true connection between the Jews of Christ's time and today is the spirit of Pharisaicism, anti-Christian views...

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Once you are more that 3 times removed from your forefathers, you are not really related to them at all really, the numbers just do not make you them at all really in fact to make such a call, but their can be throw backs in the mix ?

When dealing with breeding Race Horses, the fact's remain ! it just does not work or worth a cracker.

I was talking to my uncle who was a Race Horse breeder and trainer his whole working life, he asked me for he said it was a great puzzel that he had been trying to work out in depth, but said 3 generations was the limit and after that you have no chance at all of anything worthy of what you are seeking for in relation to the one you are trying to represent.

So all this talk of Jew blood like is all BS !

Even looking at ones own brothers or sisters you can see some take after the mothers side in looks and others of the fathers side and also can be a throw back to some other line who looks like grand dad of grand mother side etc.
Or why is his one in the family so stupid or this one so bright ?

Short Tall ? even one can be black as the ace of spades throw back or even totaly Asian looking. not to mention partly this or that like ?

So who are you ! Truly ?
As far as i see it You are you ! period !

My Dad said i came along in mannerism just like his Dad was. He did not like his dad to much, but he died when my dad was 16yo. His dad was very religious. my dad was not. If i brought up religion, dad had no regards to listen to me, not against such but just never wanted to go their. My younger bro is like me that way, but elder bro and sister are like my dad, no real point in bothering with them. they will not pick up and be inspiring at all ! just flickers of such.

People even demand that i am a Jew, in regards my sirname. but such people are all only radical religious nuts that are more founded on a worldly path !
I have never got on with such people. because they only dictate so much nonsense. That is clearly not of the Holy Spirit at all ! racial BS and works based look see ! the see is with worldly eyes only temptations BS !
I see through such nonsense directly ! and carnal idiot can see what they see in fact !

 

[RLT63]

Once you are more that 3 times removed from your forefathers, you are not really related to them at all really, the numbers just do not make you them at all really in fact to make such a call, but their can be throw backs in the mix ?

When dealing with breeding Race Horses, the fact's remain ! it just does not work or worth a cracker.

I was talking to my uncle who was a Race Horse breeder and trainer his whole working life, he asked me for he said it was a great puzzel that he had been trying to work out in depth, but said 3 generations was the limit and after that you have no chance at all of anything worthy of what you are seeking for in relation to the one you are trying to represent.

So all this talk of Jew blood like is all BS !

Even looking at ones own brothers or sisters you can see some take after the mothers side in looks and others of the fathers side and also can be a throw back to some other line who looks like grand dad of grand mother side etc.
Or why is his one in the family so stupid or this one so bright ?

Short Tall ? even one can be black as the ace of spades throw back or even totaly Asian looking. not to mention partly this or that like ?

So who are you ! Truly ?
As far as i see it You are you ! period !

My Dad said i came along in mannerism just like his Dad was. He did not like his dad to much, but he died when my dad was 16yo. His dad was very religious. my dad was not. If i brought up religion, dad had no regards to listen to me, not against such but just never wanted to go their. My younger bro is like me that way, but elder bro and sister are like my dad, no real point in bothering with them. they will not pick up and be inspiring at all ! just flickers of such.

People even demand that i am a Jew, in regards my sirname. but such people are all only radical religious nuts that are more founded on a worldly path !
I have never got on with such people. because they only dictate so much nonsense. That is clearly not of the Holy Spirit at all ! racial BS and works based look see ! the see is with worldly eyes only temptations BS !
I see through such nonsense directly ! and carnal idiot can see what they see in fact !

I don’t understand. Are you saying that Jesus was 3 generations removed so he wasn’t a Jew? Mary was not Jewish?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I don’t understand. Are you saying that Jesus was 3 generations removed so he wasn’t a Jew? Mary was not Jewish?

No ! Jesus was a Jew ? a Hebrew in fact ! and a Israelite in fact !
To say one is a Jew means nothing really as that is not the Key !
But we see in Nathaniel what it truly means to be a true Israelite, as Jesus pointed that fact out !

But i am saying that me myself am part of my mum and dad ? ok ! got that ?
Now both their mum's and dad's are a % of me ?
Now as to all their forefathers I am less a % of them in fact ?
If one goes beyond that one just is being stupid ! because the relationship is bugger all in fact !

So just going on all of just them lot, who am I in fact !

Ok now comes the Race card, just in relation to them lot ? well in fact I know who they are or where they came from at least ! but does that make who i am ? No ! I am me ! period !

I am not looking for who I am, as I know who i am ! because when I was born again I was Saved ! Race became nothing in regards me !
I do not give a rats about my Race at all ! For that is not the Issue at all ! but the Issue is truly all about being truly born again in fact !
So That is the Key to you being worthy of Christ Jesus in fact, that you abide in him ! AS IT ALWAYS WAS IN FACT !

I was seeking who i was before I became Saved tho ?

Do I care what my mum or dad says or believe etc when I am in my 60's, I am not under them in anyway ! and they best not treat me with disrespect ! for I know them and who they truly are in fact. I do not like to be played games with !

Mary was the Key to Jesus = Salvation ! For she was a Hebrew in fact and as to the OT she was the One because she was worthy in fact !
If it was not for Mary = their would be No Jesus, so no Salvation in fact !
Anyone who attacks Mary is that of Satan in fact ! For she was Pure of Heart and totaly worthy of the Hebrews God in fact !
Mary being a Virgin means she was pure of heart period ! Not a corrupted idiot fool. She was Biblical faith it's self ? one could say ! worthy ! Not common lost to Sin ? or just some grub. It's Hail Mary ! for she was Worthy of God ! the real God of Israel in fact ! That's why God chose her !
Only idiots claim God would chose just anyone ! for such as they only have gods.
Like God chose all of the People for good reason in fact, Moses ! Saul ! you name them, who was it for just no good reason ? No one !

 

[face2face]

I believe that Jesus was a Jew. There are members of the Board who believe that Jesus was not a Jew.

I invite those who don’t believe Jesus was a Jew to put forth their case for us to examine in this thread.

If Jesus is not the root and offspring of David then those believers have no King or continuing country to look forward to. Their heavenly aspirations will be meet with disapointment.

 

[face2face]

Christians have moved way too far from the Jewish hope and promises and failed to find their God. Time is running out so seek Him while He can still be found.

Salvation is of the Jews and the name of their King can salvation be found in none other.

F2F

 

[Aunty Jane]

I believe that Jesus was a Jew. There are members of the Board who believe that Jesus was not a Jew.

Don't we first have to identify what the term “Jew” meant to the first century followers of Christ?
Did Jesus himself identify as a Jew?
To the Samaritan woman at the well, Jesus first identified himself as Messiah.

When Jesus asked her for a drink , she said to him….
“How is it that you, despite being a Jew, ask me for a drink even though I am a Sa·marʹi·tan woman?” (For Jews have no dealings with Sa·marʹi·tans.)” (John 4: 9)

The term ”Jew” used here is “ioudaios”, which identified a person as Jewish by birth…a son or daughter of Abraham…of their nationality, race and religion.

In Vs 19-24 after speaking of her past, and present partners….
“The woman said to him: “Sir, I see that you are a prophet. 20 Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Jesus used the term himself so I don’t think he really had a problem with it.

Jesus was called mockingly “THE KING OF THE JEWS”….(Luke 23:38)

The various sects among the Jews did not cancel out or alter their race or nationality…..but their beliefs differed somewhat, just as Christendom does, even though they all mostly identify as “Christians”.

I invite those who don’t believe Jesus was a Jew to put forth their case for us to examine in this thread.

I am not really interested in what commentaries have to say as these are the words and opinions of men.
The Bible itself answers its own questions.

If those in the first century were in no doubt about what a “Jew“ was, then why should we be splitting hairs to complicate something that doesn’t need complicating?
The term is an umbrella, and a few sects were sitting under it….Jesus identified those sects when he spoke specifically about them. But to the Samaritan woman he used the generic term.

The one thing I do know is that Jesus wasn’t a Christian.

 

[Matthias]

Non-Jews weren’t allowed to go beyond the Court of the Gentiles in the Temple complex. Jesus went beyond the Court of the Gentiles in the Temple complex.

What was the Court of the Gentiles in the Jewish temple? | GotQuestions.org

What was the Court of the Gentiles in the Jewish temple? Why weren’t Gentiles allowed full access to the temple?

www.gotquestions.org

Jesus isn’t a Jew? An easy way for the Jewish religious authorities to eliminate him.

Jesus is a Jew.

 

[Matthias]

“Christmas posed a major issue for Nazi Germany, since Jesus was a Jew.”

Adolf Hitler’s creepy version of Silent Night designed to glorify Führ

ADOLF HITLER rewrote Christmas carol ‘Silent Night' in a desperate attempt to glorify the Führer.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed a few hours ago:

If I may be so bold.

“Since everyone seems to be talking about this today …

Yes, Jesus WAS a Jew.

But he rose again as a Catholic.”

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Is that what you believe @Johann?

Pre-resurrection -> Jew; Jewish monotheist.

Three day interim in the tomb -> theology change?

Post-resurrection -> Catholic; trinitarian?

Are you this bold?

P.S.

Is any member of the forum this bold?

 

[Johann]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed a few hours ago:

If I may be so bold.

“Since everyone seems to be talking about this today …

Yes, Jesus WAS a Jew.

But he rose again as a Catholic.”

x.com

x.com

Is that what you believe @Johann?

Pre-resurrection -> Jew; Jewish monotheist.

Three day interim in the tomb -> theology change?

Post-resurrection -> Catholic; trinitarian?

Are you this bold?

P.S.

Is any member of the forum this bold?

Hi @Matthias

I don't use "X" and please stop tagging me since I don't appreciate your nonsensical "nagging"


Ethnic Identity:
Jesus was born into the Jewish lineage of King David, as highlighted in the genealogies provided in Matthew 1:1–17 and Luke 3:23–38. This lineage emphasizes His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, key patriarchs of the Jewish people. His mother, Mary, was also Jewish, further affirming His Jewish heritage.

2. Religious Practices:
Jesus observed Jewish customs and laws. For example:

He was circumcised on the eighth day, in accordance with Jewish law (Luke 2:21).
His parents presented Him at the temple and offered the prescribed sacrifices for purification, as per Mosaic Law (Luke 2:22–24).
Jesus regularly attended synagogue services and read from the Jewish Scriptures (Luke 4:16–21).
He celebrated Jewish festivals, such as Passover (Matthew 26:17–19), Sukkot (John 7:2–10), and Hanukkah (John 10:22–23).
3. Scriptural Context:
The Gospels repeatedly affirm that Jesus' mission was initially directed to the Jewish people:

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus says, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
He fulfilled the prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures (e.g., Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2) and emphasized their validity, saying, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17).

4. Historical Context:
Jesus lived in 1st-century Judea, a region with a predominantly Jewish population. The political and religious environment, including interactions with groups like the Pharisees and Sadducees, reflects a Jewish milieu.

In summary, Jesus' ethnicity, religious observance, and cultural environment affirm that He was a Jew. However, His teachings and actions also redefined key aspects of Jewish understanding, paving the way for the emergence of Christianity.

J.

 

[Matthias]

Hi @Matthias

I don't use "X" and please stop tagging me since I don't appreciate your nonsensical "nagging"


Ethnic Identity:
Jesus was born into the Jewish lineage of King David, as highlighted in the genealogies provided in Matthew 1:1–17 and Luke 3:23–38. This lineage emphasizes His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, key patriarchs of the Jewish people. His mother, Mary, was also Jewish, further affirming His Jewish heritage.

2. Religious Practices:
Jesus observed Jewish customs and laws. For example:

He was circumcised on the eighth day, in accordance with Jewish law (Luke 2:21).
His parents presented Him at the temple and offered the prescribed sacrifices for purification, as per Mosaic Law (Luke 2:22–24).
Jesus regularly attended synagogue services and read from the Jewish Scriptures (Luke 4:16–21).
He celebrated Jewish festivals, such as Passover (Matthew 26:17–19), Sukkot (John 7:2–10), and Hanukkah (John 10:22–23).
3. Scriptural Context:
The Gospels repeatedly affirm that Jesus' mission was initially directed to the Jewish people:

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus says, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
He fulfilled the prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures (e.g., Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2) and emphasized their validity, saying, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17).

4. Historical Context:
Jesus lived in 1st-century Judea, a region with a predominantly Jewish population. The political and religious environment, including interactions with groups like the Pharisees and Sadducees, reflects a Jewish milieu.

In summary, Jesus' ethnicity, religious observance, and cultural environment affirm that He was a Jew. However, His teachings and actions also redefined key aspects of Jewish understanding, paving the way for the emergence of Christianity.

J.

Jesus is still a Jew.