Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?

[Jack]

Then Luke was a heretic and everything he wrote should be ignored based on the fact that your statement contradicts Luke and I know with certainty that your word trumps his.

Luke 3:6
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Mt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[St. SteVen]

Stop, drop, and roll doesn't work in Hell.

LOL
Now that's funny. Thanks.

 

[Rockerduck]

LOL
Now that's funny. Thanks.

Oh yea, my dry humor creeps into my responses sometimes.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus talked about hell more than any other person in the Bible. - Seriously?​

I just realized that hell isn't a person in the Bible. - Or is he?

Revelation 20:14 KJV
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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[Behold]

If God isn't real then neither is Hell.

But on the other hand.... when you find so many who try to prove the bible can't be trusted.. and that God does not exist, and neither does Hell... then it could be argued, in Truth, that everyone who died today and went to Hell, .... all believe in Hell, God, and Jesus, and the word of God now, and........forever.
Everyone in HELL right now.... is a TRUE Believer in Hell, and Jesus, and God, and the Bible.
Thats a fact.
And all that FAITH, they have now.. wont help them at all, as you can't be born again, in Hell.

 

[Pyreaux]

What Jesus teaches of Hades in Lazarus and the rich man matches well with what the first century Jews believed about the wicked in Hades. God is the God of second chances.

Josephus's Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades

1. Now as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.

2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.

3. For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate we believe there stands an archangel with an host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place, unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world; not constrained by necessity, but ever enjoying the prospect of the good things they see, and rejoice in the expectation of those new enjoyments which will be peculiar to every one of them, and esteeming those things beyond what we have here; with whom there is no place of toil, no burning heat, no piercing cold, nor are any briers there; but the countenance of the fathers and of the just, which they see, always smiles them, while they wait for that rest and eternal new life in heaven, which is to succeed this region. This place we call The Bosom of Abraham.

4. But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment, no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels appointed over them to reproach them and threaten them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them still downwards. Now those angels that are set over these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment, and in effect punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see the place of the fathers and of the just, even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.

5. This is the discourse concerning Hades, wherein the souls of all men are confined until a proper season, which God hath determined, when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead, not procuring a transmigration of souls from one body to another, but raising again those very bodies, which you Greeks, seeing to be dissolved, do not believe [their resurrection]....

 

[St. SteVen]

What Jesus teaches of Hades in Lazarus and the rich man matches well with what the first century Jews believed about the wicked in Hades. God is the God of second chances.

Good post. Welcome to the forum.

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[Jack]

What Jesus teaches of Hades in Lazarus and the rich man matches well with what the first century Jews believed about the wicked in Hades. God is the God of second chances.

Josephus's Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades

1. Now as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.

2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.

3. For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate we believe there stands an archangel with an host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place, unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world; not constrained by necessity, but ever enjoying the prospect of the good things they see, and rejoice in the expectation of those new enjoyments which will be peculiar to every one of them, and esteeming those things beyond what we have here; with whom there is no place of toil, no burning heat, no piercing cold, nor are any briers there; but the countenance of the fathers and of the just, which they see, always smiles them, while they wait for that rest and eternal new life in heaven, which is to succeed this region. This place we call The Bosom of Abraham.

4. But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment, no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels appointed over them to reproach them and threaten them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them still downwards. Now those angels that are set over these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment, and in effect punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see the place of the fathers and of the just, even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.

5. This is the discourse concerning Hades, wherein the souls of all men are confined until a proper season, which God hath determined, when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead, not procuring a transmigration of souls from one body to another, but raising again those very bodies, which you Greeks, seeing to be dissolved, do not believe [their resurrection]....

You're gonna be terribly disappointed, just like MILLIONS of JW's!

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER !

 

[Beebster]

The idea that Jesus talked about hell more than heaven is just one more damnable church doctrine that’s just utter nonsense; another fear tactic to help feed the coffers.

 

[St. SteVen]

The idea that Jesus talked about hell more than heaven is just one more damnable church doctrine that’s just utter nonsense; another fear tactic to help feed the coffers.

Good post. Welcome to the forum.

Makes you wonder how many are only in church due to fear.

--- PARODY ---

Person #1: Receive the free gift of eternal life.
Person #2: No thanks.
Person #1: I said it was free.
Person #2: There must be some strings attached.
Person #1: Well, of course.
Person #2: It's not a free gift then, right?
Person #1: You had better take it... or else!
Person #2: Say what?
Person #1: Otherwise you will be incinerated!
Person #2: What sort of free gift is that?

Indeed.

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[Beebster]

Good post. Welcome to the forum.

Thank you. Nice to meet you.

Makes you wonder how many are only in church due to fear.

Lots. Then it becomes a club.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

--- PARODY ---

Person #1: Receive the free gift of eternal life.
Person #2: No thanks.
Person #1: I said it was free.
Person #2: There must be some strings attached.
Person #1: Well, of course.
Person #2: It's not a free gift then, right?
Person #1: You had better take it... or else!
Person #2: Say what?
Person #1: Otherwise you will be incinerated!
Person #2: What sort of free gift is that?

Indeed.

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Then Person #2 walks away thinking: Geez, I wish he never told me that.

And Person # 1 screams after him: Don't forget to tell your friends and family about the free gift.

Peace.

 

[Jack]

The idea that Jesus talked about hell more than heaven is just one more damnable church doctrine that’s just utter nonsense; another fear tactic to help feed the coffers.

No Scripture? Of course not.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Beebster]

No Scripture? Of course not.

Here's scripture for you:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev 20:14)

You seem to be of the opinion that "hell" and the lake of fire are the same thing. Can you explain how hell is cast into, well, hell?

 

[Jack]

Here's scripture for you:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev 20:14)

You seem to be of the opinion that "hell" and the lake of fire are the same thing. Can you explain how hell is cast into, well, hell?

Seriously? Hell fire is merged into the Lake of Fire, not destroyed. Fire does not destroy fire.

"They will be tormented day and night FOREVER"!

 

[Traveler]

Brook Potter “When someone says that Jesus taught about Hell more than anything else in his earthly ministry, it’s obvious that person get’s their theology from Christian Television more so than from study.”

One of the most common logical fallacies used by Christians is the fallacy of Incredulity. It is sometimes called the “Lack of Imagination Fallacy,” because it basically assumes that if a person doesn’t understand, or can’t imagine a certain position, that position is automatically wrong.


Needless to say, that sort of logic is blatantly flawed. To this day, no one truly understands gravity, but it remains a very real factor in our every day lives.


When it comes to the subject of hell, there is great debate on the subject. For most believers, the doctrine of hell is an idol. It remains mostly untouched, unstudied and just accepted, for fear that they may end up there for questioning it.


But for some believers, they actually take Paul’s command of studying the Word to heart. They have actually invested a great deal of time and energy into this subject. In so doing, they have come to varying positions on one of the three major views, Infernalism, Conditionalism, and Universalism.


At this point, a person who may come to a different understanding of the topic of Hell, outside the Eternal Conscious Torment theory, is generally faced two common objections.


Firstly, it is believed that such a person has been deceived by the devil, followed by their abandonment of the truth of Scripture. With nothing more than a surface reading of Scripture, coupled with man-made traditions and teaching from the Church, most believers just cannot believe their Bible might actually teach something other than what they currently believe.


It is greatly dishonest to say that Conditionalist or the Universalist has been deceived or abandoned the truth of Scripture, when most believers in Infernalism wouldn’t even study the subject, far less read other believers’ arguments and Scriptural studies to see how they have arrived at their position.


So with that said, I’m looking at 4 common phrases used in the New Testament that are commonly believed to be related to the afterlife and Hell, to give an example of why our assumptions are not actually found in the Scriptures themselves.


For the purposes of this article, I’ll be skipping over the fact that there are four distinct words translated as Hell, and each has it’s unique uses, Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. But anyone doing a further study, should look into these words more closely.

Source: 4 Misunderstood Phrases, we assume are about hell -

The thing is that Satan is our adversary and we should get to know our enemy

The Standard

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To shy away from is is to set our selves up for failure.

 

[Jack]

Maybe God will pull some gays from the fire. Maybe.

Gays will burn in Hell fire!I Cor 6.

 

[St. SteVen]

The thing is that Satan is our adversary and we should get to know our enemy

The Standard

A place where the Christians and marginalized whites of America can gather and speak freely.

aplace4us-com.forumotion.com

To shy away from is is to set our selves up for failure.

Are you a racist? (white supremacist) ??? "marginalized whites"? How angry are you?

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[Jack]

Are you a racist? (white supremacist) ??? "marginalized whites"? How angry are you?

Are you??? Are you leading gays to Hell?

Gays will burn in Hell "forever and ever"! Said Jesus!

 

[Beebster]

Seriously? Hell fire is merged into the Lake of Fire, not destroyed. Fire does not destroy fire.

"They will be tormented day and night FOREVER"!

So seriously, what's the point in having two separate fires, prior to them merging?

 

[PGS11]

Maybe God will pull some gays from the fire. Maybe.

Gays will burn in Hell fire!I Cor 6.

There will be many married people joining them who perform the same acts in their bedrooms.What did Jesus say pull the plank form your own eye before accusing others of sin.