Jesus Does not Come to Destroy all flesh

[ewq1938]

Your claim is false

No, yours is. Neither one you posted is fire killing at the second coming. The bible says a symbolic sword is used.

 

[robert derrick]

In the end all flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with fervent heat and with fire

If you don't believe in the resurrection of the dead, then you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, by which we are saved.

It is only the spirit which Jesus committed to the Father, not the flesh.

I know, He raised His body three days later.

As for the idea of "except those days be shortened there should be no flesh saved", that is not what it refers to.

It refers to what it says. The days of affliction by the last antichrist.

But refers rather to Christ coming in the middle of days to die and send the Holy Spirit, rather than waiting to the end of days.

He shortens those days for the sake of His elect, which are after His resurrection from the dead. ANd He shortens them by coming again and casting the beast into the LOF.

The point remains, that only the false christ comes to steal, kill, and destroy all flesh on earth. Not the Lord Jesus Christ.

These spirit millennialists prophecy ending their reign with false christ, hoping to kill all flesh. They'll outdo Hitler's Final Solution, but still come short.

 

[robert derrick]

Its A Lie To Claim Jesus "Isn't" Going To Dissolve This Earth By Fire At His Return

Spirit millennialists disagree with you. They preach another lie that He's going to kill everyone off with His hammer. Perhaps they think they're going to have some fun, and then bring in your fire.

 

[robert derrick]

Denial of biblical truth with childish antics

What did the guy say? "It's clobberin' time!"

How often do you polish your rod of iron?

 

[robert derrick]

One of those prophesying that Jesus will come to kill everyone with His rod of iron, has backed off from saying he will with Him. That's Jesus' job alone.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

So, he doesn't mind saying he is ruling with Christ now, 'spiritually', but when it comes time to start killing, he backs off.

Some people only want to 'spirit-rule', not do the real thing.

What it really shows is a confession, that such death dealing rule is not of Christ, nor of God.

If Scripture were prophesying that Jesus will return to hammer everyone into the ground, and then toast them all with fire, then so be it. He would be perfectly justified to do so, even as in the flood. And he were giving us hammers to help Him, then we would be justified by Him.



However, Scripture prophecies He will come to destroy only those making war with Him, and then rule them left of the nations. To be upset about Him not killing everyone, is a wrong manner of spirit. And then to back off from doing it oneself? Well, there's no spirit in that at all.

 

[ewq1938]

One of those prophesying that Jesus will come to kill everyone with His rod of iron, has backed off from saying he will with Him. That's Jesus' job alone.

None of them even know what "rule" in the Greek even means.

 

[WPM]

None of them even know what "rule" in the Greek even means.

Yes we do. You don't even know. Tell us then.

 

[WPM]

One of those prophesying that Jesus will come to kill everyone with His rod of iron, has backed off from saying he will with Him. That's Jesus' job alone.

More lies. Who ever said they would? That was a lie you perpetrated under your different alias.

 

[Timtofly]

The $64 million question is: Is there anywhere in Rev 20 that locates Jesus on earth during the millennium?

Is Jesus Christ?

The word Christ is in the chapter. They reign with Christ, not for Christ. They are part of the camp of the saints that is on the earth. The camp of the saints is not on the moon, and not on the sun. The camp of the saints is not on Mars. The camp of the saints is not in the firmament. The camp of the saints is on the earth. Jesus does not send the fire from Jerusalem. God sends down fire from heaven. Jesus was on the earth at the first coming, not remote from heaven.

Jesus will be on the earth at the Second Coming, not remote from heaven.

The Second Coming is not found in Revelation 20, but you claim it is in there somewhere. Then you deny Jesus is even on the earth in the chapter. You refute your own point. How can the Second Coming not have Jesus on the earth? Is someone else coming this time?

 

[ScottA]

If you don't believe in the resurrection of the dead, then you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, by which we are saved.



I know, He raised His body three days later.

It refers to what it says. The days of affliction by the last antichrist.


He shortens those days for the sake of His elect, which are after His resurrection from the dead. ANd He shortens them by coming again and casting the beast into the LOF.

The point remains, that only the false christ comes to steal, kill, and destroy all flesh on earth. Not the Lord Jesus Christ.

These spirit millennialists prophecy ending their reign with false christ, hoping to kill all flesh. They'll outdo Hitler's Final Solution, but still come short.

I didn't expect you to hear, but twist back what I have untwisted, and you have. So be it.

 

[robert derrick]

None of them even know what "rule" in the Greek even means.

Nor in English, nor in any language.

Killing everyone is not 'ruling' anything. There's nothing left to rule.

Christ ruling them, means ruling them. It doesn't mean Christ's one and only rule when returning, is to kill everyone in sight.

 

[robert derrick]

I didn't expect you to hear, but twist back what I have untwisted, and you have. So be it.

Look, honestly, I would repeat your words to you, but it makes no difference.

You simply have a way of trying to teach your own revelations, that end up plainly saying things against what is already written. And when your own words are shown you, you don't even bother trying to 'adjust' how you say them.

And I know why that is. It's because of your professed attitude, that your new revelations are beside Scripture, and denounce the discipline of needing to be confirmed by words of God already written. And it's not that you denounce sola scriptura, but rather that you promote neo-scriptura for today.

And so far as needing confirmation by God's prophets and apostles of old. You call that being unjustly bound by old flesh and blood.

On the one hand, it's the recipe for all heresy, but on the other hand I've got to chuckle at your brassy style.

Your own declarations say that once you've written it, it is written, and cannot be taken back. You know, like the old flesh and blood prophets and apostles, who never needed to edit their words, since they spoke and wrote the words directly proceeding from the mouth of God.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And no, I'm not interested in your new reveationary spin on the resurrection of the dead, not being of the dead bodies from the dusty graves, but of some other spirit-only resurrection. I get enough of that from spirit-only millennialists.

Honestly, I have no doubt you are not an ungodly hypocrite in life, but O man, new revelation does not trump old Scripture of God. It's fine to have a revelationary way of teaching Scripture, but not a revelationary way of trumping it.

 

[robert derrick]

More proof that the rule of Christ over nations is not to destroy them. (Which of course means no rule at all, but just destruction.)

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy, for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

The rule of Christ is not commandment and rule to destroy all, but is to rule and govern the nations.

And the nations will be glad for it, not to be screaming in pain, while being beat to death.

In my souls and spirit, I have no problem destroying the armeis gathered for war without mercy, and executing all the goats. But the spirit to precondemn and destroy every man, woman, child, and babe on earth is wrong. Why?

Though Jesus would be justified, as He was with the flood, it's not at all what is prophesied, and contradicts the doctrinal and spiritual nature of the Lord's coming to earth the first and second time: to judge and save.

Not just to condemn and destroy.

 

[ScottA]

Look, honestly, I would repeat your words to you, but it makes no difference.

You simply have a way of trying to teach your own revelations, that end up plainly saying things against what is already written. And when your own words are shown you, you don't even bother trying to 'adjust' how you say them.

And I know why that is. It's because of your professed attitude, that your new revelations are beside Scripture, and denounce the discipline of needing to be confirmed by words of God already written. And it's not that you denounce sola scriptura, but rather that you promote neo-scriptura for today.

And so far as needing confirmation by God's prophets and apostles of old. You call that being unjustly bound by old flesh and blood.

On the one hand, it's the recipe for all heresy, but on the other hand I've got to chuckle at your brassy style.

Your own declarations say that once you've written it, it is written, and cannot be taken back. You know, like the old flesh and blood prophets and apostles, who never needed to edit their words, since they spoke and wrote the words directly proceeding from the mouth of God.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And no, I'm not interested in your new reveationary spin on the resurrection of the dead, not being of the dead bodies from the dusty graves, but of some other spirit-only resurrection. I get enough of that from spirit-only millennialists.

Honestly, I have no doubt you are not an ungodly hypocrite in life, but O man, new revelation does not trump old Scripture of God. It's fine to have a revelationary way of teaching Scripture, but not a revelationary way of trumping it.

You can deny what is for today "that day" spoken of in the scriptures. Nonetheless I have declared nothing that has not been written or foretold. And what of interpretations, apostacy, corrections, and all truth, were these things not written as yet to come?

 

[ewq1938]

Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Here he returns, smites and "shall rule" (future tense) the nations. That happens because shortly after his return the Millennium begins.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is clearly a new development else it wouldn't be mentioned.



It is at the 7th trump when he takes reign over the kingdoms of the world, stripping them of the reigns they previously enjoyed. That is the use of the rod of iron in action, dissolving their evil administrations and goverments.



Ruling with a rod of iron is also about caring for the people:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


RULE

G4165
poimaino
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

G4165
poimaino
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901

There is nothing violent about poimaino.

 

[Truth7t7]

Nor in English, nor in any language.

Killing everyone is not 'ruling' anything. There's nothing left to rule.

Christ ruling them, means ruling them. It doesn't mean Christ's one and only rule when returning, is to kill everyone in sight.

That doesn't look like a king sitting on a earthly throne ruling to me, smiles!

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[ewq1938]

That doesn't look like a king sitting on a earthly throne ruling to me, smiles!

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

 

[Davy]

It is a lie of the devil to prophecy Jesus Christ coming again to earth, just to destroy all flesh from the earth.

That prophecy is for the last false christ on earth, who will be stopped by the Lord Himself.

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

That would mean then you disagree... with Apostle Paul...

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

1 Cor 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

The END of this present flesh world is what God's consuming fire will do on the last day when Jesus returns. Zechariah 14 has a very graphic representation of the destruction of flesh on that day.

And Apostle Paul was emphatic that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (spiritual body).

I get so tired of fake preachers pushing the old false Jew traditions that when our flesh dies that we sleep in a casket in the ground! And then at the resurrection we are given a brand new flesh body! That is NOT what God's Word teaches!

 

[WPM]

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

He comes to stop the false christ from trying to do so.

He doesn't cast the AC into the LOF, just to finish the job for Himself, much less pass out some iron clubs to His resurrected saints for help.

More ducking around the biblical detail and defaulting to your own opinions. You have to do that. Please address the Scriptures presented.

 

[Truth7t7]

That would mean then you disagree... with Apostle Paul...

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

1 Cor 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

The END of this present flesh world is what God's consuming fire will do on the last day when Jesus returns. Zechariah 14 has a very graphic representation of the destruction of flesh on that day.

And Apostle Paul was emphatic that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (spiritual body).

I get so tired of fake preachers pushing the old false Jew traditions that when our flesh dies that we sleep in a casket in the ground! And then at the resurrection we are given a brand new flesh body! That is NOT what God's Word teaches!

Jesus was resurrected in a glorified, tangible body of flesh and bone, scripture teaches the believer will be like him when he appears

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.