Jesus as co-Creator

[Unorthodox Christian]

John]1 John 5:77For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.I am not sure of how these scriptures prove your pointIt says that there are THREE in heaven that bear record Three
Does it Say three Distinct personalities? Three distinct spirits or Bodies? If they are Distinct, LOOK UP WHAT DISTINCT MEANS, it means DIFFERENT, then This Verse is LYING!
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.from John 1:1 we know the word was WITH God and we know the word was Jesus, Jesus was with God in the beginning.
In the THOUGHTS OF GOD.Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer 1.5)THE WORD OF GOD was in the Thoughts of YHWH, because he knew his Creation would fall and he would redeem his fallen creation. Genesis 3:15! YHWH knew he would need to send himself, to redeem the World. So before the Logos or Word of YHWH became flesh, HE WAS WITH GOD, in the Thoughts of God. Not the Spirit of YHWH, but the Whole Form of Yeshua HaMashiach. In the Thoughts of God, just like we were in his Thoughts in Jeremiah 1:5
26And God said, Let us make manWho was with God in the beginning and through who are all things created. Jesus was with God in the beginning and Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever
WRONG! It was God alone, with his Angels. With YHWH's Power, he took his own image along with the Angels, and he with them Created man in their Image.
I agree with the fact that Jesus was God the Son but not God the Father,
Matthew 1: 18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.Technically speaking, this so called Third person of the Trinity is the Father of Yeshua HaMashiach(Jesus Christ) so then if the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus Christ, what say you of this!John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth(Holy Ghost); whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not(Corruption or Flesh cannot see Incorruption of Spirit), neither knoweth him(Knows who THE HOLY GHOST!): but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you(Who is dWELLING WITH THEM AS JESUS SPEAKS? If he's talking about the holy Ghost who he will send at Pentecost who is this one that dwells with them?!), and shall be in you.(Indeed came Pentecost and the Spirit of JESUS CHRIST was poured unto those in the Upper ROOM!) If the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus Christ, and in John 14:17 he says that the Holy Ghost dwelling with them there and now! What does that make Christ! The Fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6!!!! The EVERLASTING FATHER! And Because of his Human Nature was Prince of Peace, but then in revelation, AFTER COMING IN HIS FULL GLORY IS CROWNED Revelation 19:16 KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. NO LONGER FULLY HUMAN AND GOD, but FULLY GOD ONCE AGAIN with all power unto him. Matthew 28:18!
Who talked to MosesWho talked with AbrahamAnd Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved” (Gen. 32:30).
The Father was! Jesus Was! The Holy Ghost was! Because they are ONE!And that bible verse has nothing to do with Jesus Christ not being the Father or Holy Ghost. If you say the Holy Ghost is Distinct from the Father, I pray that it's not blasphemous or a mockery to God, because the Holy Ghost is probably the Most important and lowly emphasized Person!
So the LORD became angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned from the LORD God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice (1 Kings 11:9).And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!” (Judges 13:22).
What does this have to do with Christ not being God the Father?
also John 1:18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].You see we see God the Son before the incarnation It was he who spoke to Moses no one has ever seen or heard the Father
No man has seen the Father only the Son because the SON IS THE FATHER! His Whole Being as full Human and God was in the thoughts and heart of God the Father himself! He once wanted to dwell with humans, so he became one!Philippians 2:6-116Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.No one has ever seen the Father because JESUS CHRIST, YESHUA HAMASHIACH IS THE FATHER! Why do you folks put so much unimportant emphasis on the father, yet leave the Holy Ghost out? So many times you leave the Holy Ghost out, which causes dogmas like the Trinity! JOHN 14:17!!!!!!!

 

[Jordan]

Why does many people think they are all different? matter fact it is still the Same God. There are not three Gods, they are One God.I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.One makes One. One does not make ThreeThe Father (First) came later as a Son (Second) who made Himself a little lower than the angels, (Psalm 8:5, Hebrews 2:7, Hebrews 2:9) Took on a form of a servant (Philippians 2:7) in a flesh body (John 1:14, I Timothy 3:16) and His name is above every name. (Philippians 2:9) Guess what? He is God. (John 1:1)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[John]

I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
It says three bear record, then the verse gives there names The Father,The Word and the Son, three distinct persons and then the verse tells us that the three are one, not the same person, one God

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.from John 1:1 we know the word was WITH God and we know the word was Jesus, Jesus was with God in the beginning.
In the THOUGHTS OF GOD.Thats your interpretation, scripture says HE was with God in the beginning
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer 1.5)
This forum uses verses like this to help support their views on the first earth age. God knew us before we were born so we must have existed before in the first earth age, so if it can be used to prove man existed before, I guess I can use it to prove Jesus existed
Matthew 1: 18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.Technically speaking, this so called Third person of the Trinity is the Father of Yeshua HaMashiach(Jesus Christ) so then if the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus Christ, what say you of this!
No this is not accurate it is not the incarnation that made Jesus the Son The Son existed with the Father from the beginning, before creation John 1:1Again I believe Jesus is God, but not God the FatherJohn 8:17–18"It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true (17). I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me (18)."How are we to understand these verses if Jesus and the Father are the same person? Jesus' argument in verse 17 would make no sense unless Jesus and the Father were distinct persons: the witness of two.why would Jesus appeal to the Jewish law of two witnesses if He and the Father were one person?

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

I will no longer go on with you trinitarians. YOU SAY DISTINCT, YET WILL NOT USE IT'S DEFINITION, meaning Different!Cause these so called Three in 1st John 5:7Were in Jesus Christ Colossians 2:9Who is the Holy Ghost seperated from the Father and Son if God is only One SPirit?!SO YOU TRINITARIANS, tell me, if God is distinct, that means he has three different substances or entities right?John 8:17-18, He bares witness of himself and the Father, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME! Can you get that through your dogmatic brain? Listen, IF JESUS CHRIST IS GOD, and GOD IS ONE SPIRIT, it only makes sense that he bares record of himself! Why are people limiting God's power? The typical trinitarian rant, "If God is One, then how come there is Father Son and Holy Ghost, they are three different persons" It's amazing how it goes beyond your heads! Jesus is God the Father. Wow, I'm utterly shocked how people have SKIPPED and ignored John 14:17.Can you Trinitarians Explain John 14:17, which is Explained Later in Acts 1:4,5,7,8. Then in Acts Chapter 2:4 Proceeding John 14:17 saying that the Holy Spirit will dwell in them, after he is done dwelling with them, he will be In them in Spirit and not with Them in Flesh as Christ was.Remember Matthew 28:19 Saying Baptize in THE NAME(SINGULAR FORM) of the Father, and of The Son, and of the Holy Ghost.Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Y'shua HaMashiach for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.Yeshua HaMASHIACH said baptize in THE NAME of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. IN THE NAME IS SINGULAR FORM.Acts 2:38 Peter Baptizes in Jesus Christ' Name? Why because the Name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is YESHUA HAMASHIACH, JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!! AMENTHE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES! JESUS IS FATHER SON HOLY GHOST!

 

[Jordan]

Anyway, I find it humourous to find the fact that people are missing the irony of our Lord. JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[For Life]

Let me see if I have this straight. When God is in heaven he has the holy spirit which makes him God. When He was man, He still had the holy spirit, which made him God, but He wasn't in heaven. Then when He went back to heaven He was regular God again with the holy spirit. Is this right or am I still not getting it?I just had another thought also. Is it the holy spirit that makes God omnipresent, and therefore when Jesus was a man he was still in heaven too because of the holy spirit? Fully man and fully God because of the holy spirit.This is pretty confusing. Just when I think I get it I also think I don't get it.

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

Let me see if I have this straight. When God is in heaven he has the holy spirit which makes him God. When He was man, He still had the holy spirit, which made him God, but He wasn't in heaven. Then when He went back to heaven He was regular God again with the holy spirit. Is this right or am I still not getting it?
He is not changeable, When he was on Earth Inside of Jesus Christ, he was Also in heaven. Think about it, If The Holy Spirit dwells within us, how can he dwell in us and Be at heaven at the Same Time. God can be anywhere.Remember where God along with Two Angels came in a form of Men. This account is in Genesis 18 where God makes a body for himself to dwell in and tells Abraham and Sarah they will have a child. Well, God was both Present in that Body and in Heaven. There's nothing confusing about this. IF you believe God can be at any place at the same time, why couldn't he be in Jesus Christ and in Heaven at the Same time.If you look at Jags Post about how Jesus Christ' Body was created. Or Read Philippians Chapter 2:6-86Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. He Glorified the Father who was in Him because he Was the Father, but his Human Nature, Man, was humbled which is why he Glorified the Father. If you glorify the Everybeing of the Son you glorify the Father.God can be anywhere at Anytime.

 

[For Life]

I think I understand. God can be anything and anywhere all at the same time. It's just hard to visualize.

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

As a Trinitarian and a Follower of Man Made creeds and Dogma(Catholic, Seventh Day Adventist, and Pentecostal) now a free in denomination, it was hard for me to look at it this way. Then I prayed and Asked him Lord were you truly three distinct persons and he told me"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)Then He showed me John 1:1,14, 1st John 5:7, Colossians 2:9, DEUTERONOMY 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. Revelation 20:11 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.If there is three distinct persons, shouldn't the God of the White Throne be, them?It was one person on the Throne!!!! JESUS CHRIST, WHO IS FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST!It was hard for me to think the same way you did brother, then I saw the Truth, not what men said.

 

[Jordan]

The flesh loves to argue against God and His words. For me, my personal experience is that I can hear God and His words when I shut myself up.Other words... I walk by faith, not by sight. (II Corinthians 5:7)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[yearegods]

(Jon-Marc;26141)
That makes it sound like there are three Gods, but of course there is only one Triune God, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God, one LORD, Three in One.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Before the sun, moon and stars were planted to give light, there was light spoken into the universe.John 1: 4 In him (Jesus) was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him,God spoke the Light into existence and we know Him as Jesus. He is the Word of God, and has the same Spirit as God. He is God, God is Him, the Spirit is the same, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God, and when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all (1 Cor 15:28). From One came the Word, back to One will go all in subjection.

 

[ryan]

Right on track Brother. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world...:study:

 

[ryan]

BTW, I was trying to quote post #2 above.

 

[savedbygrace57]

unorth saysJesus was all of it! Colossians 2:9, 1st John 5:7, Isaiah 9:6. He is the FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST! He was not seperated from the father in Creation, he was the Father. When he said let us make man in our image he was talking about the image of God and his angels. The Father in creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Ghost in Regeneration. Jesus is not seperate from the Father, he is the Father, Isaiah 9:6 in the Flesh.He was all of it but he was not the father..The passage in isa 9 describing him as the everlasting father means He had a seed from everlasting a spiritual seed..His children heb 2: 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Those children are the seed described in isa 53:10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. That is He shall see his offspring..Now Jesus was equal to God as the Son of God because He is Gods word !Jn 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Now when God spoke things into exisitence It was the power of His spoken word [christ] which brought forth the creation...Thats the Son Of God the very voice and majesty Of God the Father..Notice this Title rev 1913And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.also 1jn 5For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.I also now believe Christ is referred to here in this verse heb 4For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.and here 1 pet 1Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.So not taking away nothing from His almighty Deity He is distinct yet of one and the same essence He is Gods voice..literallyheb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

[ryan]

As far as Genesis 1:26 is concerned:Some claim it is a majestic plural such as when kings refer to themselves as 'we'. Others claim it was God talking to the angels. I personally believe it was describing the many attributes of God. One thing we can be sure of, however is God was not refering to a third person in the trinity. context is an important part of hermenetics. The very next verse disproves the possibility God was talking of a third 'co-equal, co-eternal' person in the God-head.Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.And finally, the New Testament confirms the Jewish belief in one God.Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[ryan]

A note about echad:echadאחדechâdBrown Driver Briggs Definition:1) one (number)1a) one (number)1b) each, every1c) a certain1d) an (indefinite article)1e) only, once, once for all1f) one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one1g) first1h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal)Part of Speech: adjectiveGod is one. The Hebrews understood this.echad is used elsewhere in the Tanakh:1Kings 22:8 And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one (echad) man, Micaiah the son of Imlah, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he doth not prophesy good concerning me, but evil. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.Joshua 12:9-24 The king of Jericho, one (echad); the king of Ai, which is beside Bethel, one (echad); The king of Jerusalem, one (echad); the king of Hebron, one (echad); The king of Jarmuth, one (echad); the king of Lachish, one (echad); The king of Eglon, one (echad); the king of Gezer, one (echad); The king of Debir, one (echad); the king of Geder, one (echad); The king of Hormah, one (echad); the king of Arad, one (echad); The king of Libnah, one (echad); the king of Adullam, one (echad); The king of Makkedah, one (echad); the king of Bethel, one (echad); The king of Tappuah, one (echad); the king of Hepher, one (echad); The king of Aphek, one (echad); the king of Lasharon, one (echad); The king of Madon (echad), one; the king of Hazor, one (echad); The king of Shimronmeron, one (echad); the king of Achshaph, one (echad); The king of Taanach, one (echad); the king of Megiddo, one (echad); The king of Kedesh, one (echad); the king of Jokneam of Carmel, one (echad); The king of Dor in the coast of Dor, one (echad); the king of the nations of Gilgal, one (echad); The king of Tirzah, one (echad): all the kings thirty and one.Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one (echad) of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.Ezekiel 33:24 Son of man, they that inhabit those wastes of the land of Israel speak, saying, Abraham was one (echad), and he inherited the land: but we are many; the land is given us for inheritance.Ezekiel 48:31-34 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one (echad) gate of Reuben, one (echad) gate of Judah, one (echad) gate of Levi. And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one (echad) gate of Joseph, one (echad) gate of Benjamin, one (echad) gate of Dan. And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one (echad) gate of Simeon, one (echad) gate of Issachar, one (echad) gate of Zebulun. At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one (echad) gate of Gad, one (echad) gate of Asher, one (echad) gate of Naphtali.Are we to assume that the gates were in unity? Or Michael the angel was in unity with himself? Or the kings listed? Or perhaps Abraham was not one man but a unity of man.Although man will try to take the scripture out of context, God's truth will always prevail. Trinitarianism is a man ordained doctrine to explain the nature of God in man's limited thought. It was conceived by men for men.The concept of three persons in one god is vary ancient. The Hindu faith believes this concept of God. The conception most closely linked with Vedism and Brahmanism is that of the Hindu Trinity, the Trimurti. ‘The Absolute manifests himself in three persons, Brahma the Creator, Vishnu the Preserver, and Shiva the Destroyer’. The syllable we write as om, but which is in reality made up of three words, ‘a’, ‘u’, and ‘m’, (which) is the symbol of this trinity.The Egyptian triad of the sun god was “one god expressed in three persons”. He was known as the “noonday sun” (Ra), “the evening sun” (Tum), and “the dawning sun” (Khepera). The sun god reportedly said, “Lo! I am Khepera at dawn, Ra at high noon, and Tum at eventide”. He was one god in three distinct persons.
In AD 318 in Alexandria, Egypt, a conflict broke out between a certain presbyter named Arius, and the bishop of Alexandria, Alexander. Arius taught that the Logos was created out of nothing before the beginning of the world, and therefore was not of the same substance of the Father. In fact, He was the first creation of God. Jesus was a demigod of the Father. Both groups agreed that the Son preexisted the incarnation. The central issue was the eternality of the Son of God. Alexander claimed that the Son was coeternal with the Father, but the rallying cry of the Arians was that "there was a time when He was not."In AD 321, Alexander held a local synod which condemned Arius’ teachings and excommunicated him and his friends. In turn Arius petitioned support from other bishops to help him in his cause. He gained the support of Eusebius of Nicomedia and a few others. Together they continued to spread the Arian doctrine, and continued to cause dissension among the churches.This dissension reached the ears of Constantine, who had just become the sole emperor of the Roman Empire in AD 324, after having defeated Licinius in the East. Constantine, who was the first emperor to embrace Christianity, was interested in settling this theological dispute, probably to ensure the unity of the empire. In response, he sent his advisor, Hosius of Cordova, to Alexandria to settle the dispute. When it was apparent that the issue could not be easily solved, Constantine called for a council of all the bishops to meet in Nicea (modern day Isnik, Turkey), twenty miles north of Nicomedia, in Bithynia.In AD 325, approximately 300 bishops from various cities journeyed to Nicea at the expense of the emperor. This was only about 1/6 of the total number of bishops in Christendom. Each bishop brought others with him, so the total number present was probably upwards of 1500 to 2000 people.43 The majority of these bishops were from the Eastern, Greek-speaking part of the empire. The Council lasted approximately six weeks.
Alexander's views won out, and Arius was defeated.Eusebius of Caesarea, the first church historian, suggested a compromise creed which he used for the church in his city which said that Jesus is "the Word of God, God of God, … the first-born of all creatures, begotten of the Father before all time." Most of the bishops were satisfied with this. Even the Arians agreed to adopt it. It was Alexander’s party who strongly opposed it because it did not resolve the issue. Prompted by Hosius, Constantine suggested the inclusion of homoousios to the statement, meaning "of the same substance." To this the Arians strongly reacted, and those who followed Origen’s teachings, it seemed too much like modalism, which taught that Jesus’ deity was actually the Father Himself. They proposed that homoiousios be used, meaning "of similar substance." Through Alexander’s eloquence his views prevailed.During the 1st two centuries A.D. Christianity was strongly in favor of it's Jewish roots of strict monotheism.During the decades immediately following the death of the Apostles, gnosticism crept into the church via Simon Magus (Simon the sorcerer spoken of in the 8th chapter of Acts)and later by people such as Origen, Alexander (A Catholic Bishop), and other Greek apologists like Justin Martyr. These men allowed the training they recieve in neoplatonism effect their decisions in regards to church doctrine.

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(ryan;27933)
The concept of three persons in one god is vary ancient. The Hindu faith believes this concept of God. The conception most closely linked with Vedism and Brahmanism is that of the Hindu Trinity, the Trimurti. ‘The Absolute manifests himself in three persons, Brahma the Creator, Vishnu the Preserver, and Shiva the Destroyer’. The syllable we write as om, but which is in reality made up of three words, ‘a’, ‘u’, and ‘m’, (which) is the symbol of this trinity..
Just because Satan takes truth & twists it into something false is not a reason to reject the original truth. For example, Noah & the flood. There are many mythical accounts of a global flood - different names, different "gods" - all false of course - but that doesn't make the account in the Bible false, just because Satan used a similar story for his own purposes. Likewise with the Trinity - so Satan copied the true God and replaced Him with Hindu gods - what does that prove? Only that Satan takes the truth and distorts it. If you reject the Trinity, would you please explain your view of the nature of God. Who is Jesus? Who is the Holy Spirit?

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

Peacebe with you, if you say Jesus Is Different from the Holy Ghost, always read John 14:17 ok?

 

[ryan]

(Peacebewithyou;27936)
Just because Satan takes truth & twists it into something false is not a reason to reject the original truth. For example, Noah & the flood. There are many mythical accounts of a global flood - different names, different "gods" - all false of course - but that doesn't make the account in the Bible false, just because Satan used a similar story for his own purposes. Likewise with the Trinity - so Satan copied the true God and replaced Him with Hindu gods - what does that prove? Only that Satan takes the truth and distorts it. If you reject the Trinity, would you please explain your view of the nature of God. Who is Jesus? Who is the Holy Spirit?
Is it truth? Just because it has been taught for centuries and has become dogma does not mean it is truth. Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. Do a word study on the following Greek words:LogosMorpheArcheVery enlightening.

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

Brother Ryan! I Think I've Found My Twin!The Logos, En Morphe, And Arche Are One Of The Main Things A Brother Name William Branham Preached On! But Anyways, You See It Now! The Word Of God Manifested! Oh Lord, I Found My Twin Lol!