James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe
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Ronald Nolette
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Well you posted what they call laws of evolutionary biology. I am speaking of the laws of science via the scientific method. propose, test repeat etc.etc.etc. and the results remain over 99.9% identical. those are the laws of science.
We do not see the "macro" evolutionary change taking place, nor can evolutionists provide the science of how biological evolution from microbe to man took place. All they have is untestable hypotheses accepted by the majority of secular and compromised scientists who call themselves believers.
We have a member here who is pro-big pharma and claims to be a researcher. It stands to reason we'd have someone who is pro-science, anti-God.
Interestingly, you're doing exactly what many atheists do - i.e., defining "science" in such a narrow way (basically falsifiable laboratory science) that it excludes some of the most important scientific disciplines. I address this at the end of this blog entry:
What I Learned From the Atheists
Lessons from a decade of dialoguing with internet atheists.
www.christianityboard.com
Microevolution - adaptive change - is established to a scientific certainty. There should be nothing disturbing about this even to a Young Earth Creationist.
What is loosely called macroevolution is a different story. Laboratory science has not been kind to macroevolution. Experiments with rapidly-producing bacteria and insects, whereby millions of years of evolution can be replicated in a few years, have shown nothing like macroevolution and have confirmed that virtually all mutations are damaging or fatal. The fossil record likewise isn't kind to macroevolution, to the extent that even secular neo-Darwinists are acknowledging something is fundamentally amiss.
If and when a coherent evolutionary theory is established to the same level of scientific certainty as the age of the earth, that will be my understanding. We are not at that point now and may never be. But to think that Genesis somehow transcends and overrides all science is not, IMO, a rational or necessary approach.
Ronald Nolette
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The peppered moth is not evolution but the results of pollution in industrial England.
The peppered moth had 2 colorations basically- light and dark. when the soot of industry darkened the trees the darker ones had better camouflage and the light ones decreased in numbers due to being more visible to be eaten. That is not evolution. They started as pepper moths and ended as pepper moths.
All the rest are theories and not evidence.
How about demonstrating the accepted evolutionary hypothesis that velociraptors evolved into birds.
or gills to lungs.
or fins to feet.
or limbs to wings
you knkow the big picture of evolution, where to put it into blue collar terms nonlife begat life and then went from goo to you by way of the zoo.
Ronald Nolette
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And microevolution is better understood through Mendels Law than some kind of evolutionary adaptation. All creatures have a physical ability to adapt in a measure. But one experiment to do to show this is not evolution.
Take 10,000 chihuahuas, drop them into mid latitude Canada and see if they adapt and grow very long hair or go extinct.
And proven science shows macroevolution cannot take place.
I happened on this today. It is not relevant to the OP however, it is an astronomical event slated to occur this autumn.
www.businessinsider.nl
'Once-in-a-lifetime' cosmic explosion set to light up the night sky, NASA says
A rare cosmic explosion, visible to the naked eye, is set to take place by September.It will occur when the star system T Coronae Borealis (T CrB)
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He is INFINITE!
Psalm 147:5
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.
Ronald Nolette
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Do you really?
I know that now everything is called evolution just like everything in climate is called climate change. Both are very deceptive and intentionally done to mislead people.
Biological evolution is scientifically and biologically impossible in the macro sense like apes became men, or fish to lizards or raptors to birds etc.etc.
I think when science learns there is something like a 3% difference between Chimpanzee and human DNA, so called lay scientists may want to pay attention.
Egocentrism in the human leads us to think we and our every move need be watched closely by God, and is.
He created everything to operate under its own providence within his creation as the created. That includes changes, for those reactive to the word, evolution.
Ronald Nolette
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1. that 3 % difference is enough information to fill up 40 new york city telephone books. If we were that close why can we not use pongid organs and skin on people for we reject them. But I have a cow valve in my heart, people have pigskin used to graft new skin etc.etc.
I do not believe it is egocentrism but simply believing Jesus:
Matthew 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Yes God did create the laws of nature and we do operate under those laws.
Yes we do see adaptation and variation within species and even genre. but they never go from fish to repitle or velociraptor to bird or whale to land mammal. There simpy is no evidence to show the massive genetic changes required to do that.
Even raptor to bird requires massive mutational change to accomplish. and given that science has proven that 99.4% of all mutations range form benign to lethal, the mutations would lead to extinction and not higher adaptation as they claim.
I think if we extricate God from changes he made to occur as necessary for those created things to continue as he wills because we have an aversion to the term, evolution, we lose the big picture. Because that word is allowed to overcome it.
The NY city phone book analogies are hogwash.
Humans are 90% genetically similar to cats (yay!) and 60% similar to fruit flies and bananas (hmmm). In fact, breed a cat with a banana and you'll get either a really ugly human or a really cute fruit fly.
Maybe it's time for me to go back to the thread about whether Christians should drink alcohol.
Maybe it's time for me to go back to the thread about whether Christians should drink alcohol.
Hobie
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Because there never was a Big Bang...Video:
Measuring the expansion rate of the Universe - Hubble constant tension explained
Learn how Hubble is measuring the expansion rate of the Universe in this new explainer from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center Producer & Director: J...cdn.jwplayer.com
Illustration of the expansion of the Universe.
(Image credit: Mark Garlick/Science Photo Library via Getty Images)
3/14/24
James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe
Depending on where we look, the universe is expanding at different rates. Now, scientists using the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes have confirmed that the observation is not down to a measurement error.www.livescience.com
Astronomers have used the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes to confirm one of the most troubling conundrums in all of physics — that the universe appears to be expanding at bafflingly different speeds depending on where we look.
This problem, known as the Hubble Tension, has the potential to alter or even upend cosmology altogether. In 2019, measurements by the Hubble Space Telescope confirmed the puzzle was real; in 2023, even more precise measurements from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) cemented the discrepancy.
Now, a triple-check by both telescopes working together appears to have put the possibility of any measurement error to bed for good. The study, published February 6 in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, suggests that there may be something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe.
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James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe
Depending on where we look, the universe is expanding at different rates. Now, scientists using the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes have confirmed that the observation is not down to a measurement error.
I don't know why they're surprised. It's all theory for the most part.
Ronald Nolette
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you may think they are hogwash but go find out how much oinfo is in that 3.5 % difference between man and monkey!
Things have changed Birds have adapted beaks for differing diets, etc.etc. But all the evidence that is testable repeatable and observable is that a bird has always been abird, man always man etc.etc.
There is no evidence other than in the fertile imaginations of evolutionsits that life started as a microbe and blossomed in to today complexity through random mustions.
Isn't it sad how humans have much more faith in government, media, Big Pharma and science than God of the Bible!
Sure there was! God said "Let there be" and BANG!
Psalm 148:5
5 Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created.