James Was Not Talking about Faith in Jesus Christ for Salvation

[Titus]

Galatians 1:11-12 KJV
11) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

No, Paul was repeating a conversation. Paul was specifically NOT taught the Gospel by man.

The Gospel taught by Paul is this:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Much love!

Ananias then taught Paul a false gospel if not Ananias.
You did not answer, I asked you if Ananias taught Paul the truth?

Now, if you are correct in your interpretation then what did Ananias teach Paul?

Paul said no man taught him the gospel.
What did Paul mean?
First, Paul spoke directly to Jesus on the road to Damascus.
So, Paul was taught directly by God.
And what did God teach Paul?

Acts 9:6
So he trembling and astonished, said "Lord what do you want me to do?
When the lord said to him, Arise and go into the city and you will be told what you must do.

What did the Lord teach Paul?

God told Paul to go and he will be told what to do.
Who does God tell to go to Paul and preach Gods gospel to him?

Acts 9:10
Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision,
Ananias ,And he said, Here I am Lord.
11 So the Lord said to him, Arise and go to the street called straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus for behold he is praying.
12 And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.

15 But the Lord said to him, GO, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My Name before Gentiles, kings and the children of Isreal.

Now who sent Ananias to Paul?
Jesus.

Who did Jesus instruct to lay hands on Psul and teach him to be water immersed, Mark 16:15-16?
Answer: Jesus

Now who then was teaching Paul what he must do?
Jesus or Ananias own ideas?

God sent Ananias to teach Paul Gods gospel!

So, was Paul taught of a man?
Or of God working through a man?

If Paul ment that no man taught him Jesus' gospel.
Then Paul rejected Jesus' servant Ananias who was directly commanded and guided by God,
Your interpretation must therefore be a misinterpretation because Paul agreed with what Ananias taught him.
No way Paul would recount how his sins were washed away if he did not believe Ananias was speaking for God.
Your explanation of Galatians 1:11-12 contradicts Acts 9th chapter.
Therefore your interpretation is error.

Answer, Can we be saved by not obeying the commandment to believe in 1John 3:23-24?
Can you be saved without working the works of God? John 6:28-29?

 

[Christ4Me]

That sound more like you are describing redemption. A purchase. Justification is something different.

Is that so? Or just that I have a hard time finding actual content in what you write.

I've yet to see you post a definition of what justification is. I'd love to have a discussion about that, but not like this.

I lose track of the discussion at times too. No need to be offended. You are posting a lot to Titus so I am not surprised.

Here is proof that you had replied to my post #95 as this is the post in #103 where you had quoted a portion of my comment without the scriptures therein.

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Justification as in salvation, being bought with a price and sealed as His whereby we can call God Father is us having been reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. end of my quote

marks posted "Great passages!

To my understanding, justification means to render righteous. We are justified by God by faith, that is, God imputes to us righteousness when we trust in Him. We are also justified by God through death, that as we've been immersed into Jesus' death and burial, and are raised with Him, what comes out of the ground isn't what went into it. We went in unrighteous, but we are raised righteous. "Put on the new man, which is created patterned after God in righteousness and true holiness."

Reconciliation is to restore to friendship. How complete is our reconciliation in Christ?

Much love!"

I agree that we should just drop the discussion in this thread.

 

[mailmandan]

Quote the passage where Paul tells us this, not where he relays what someone else said.

Right?

Is your focus on what Paul said? Or what Ananias said?

Much love!

Excellent article on Acts 22:16. :)

WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

 

[marks]

Ananias then taught Paul a false gospel if not Ananias.
You did not answer, I asked you if Ananias taught Paul the truth?

Now, if you are correct in your interpretation then what did Ananias teach Paul?

Enough of the cross examination. I'm not into it.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to you, reader,

If you just read the book of James you will understand just about all of it, as long as while you are going through, consider history of when Jesus was walking around, and how it waxed worse afterwards.

The book of James has so much good knowledge in it, a few lessons, how God gives wisdom, how one should ask in faith not double minded, how one should judge themselves, how one is enticed by their own thoughts that may lead to sin, what dead faith, and alive faith both look like, and it is just important for you as an individual to get to know your Bible books and what they say for you yourself!

In love, peace, kindness, gentleness, patience, respect, honor, of Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[Titus]

Enough of the cross examination. I'm not into it.

You refuse to answer that Paul did in fact say his sins were washed away NOT in faith alone but by water immersion.
I see Danthemailman has sent a link on how to explain away the scriptures, Acts 22 :16.

Answer my question for a change instead of dodging.

Can we be saved without obeying Gods commandment to believe in 1John 3:23-24?
Can we be saved without working the works of God, John 6:28-29?

 

[Titus]

Excellent article on Acts 22:16. :)

WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

Acts 22:13 "brother Saul"

Ananias was a jew. Paul was a jew. That is why Ananias refers to Paul as brother.
Not a brother in Christ.
Fact remains: Paul said his sins were washed away in water immersion, Acts 22:16.
Not before!

 

[marks]

Excellent article on Acts 22:16. :)

WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

Got any good ones on hermenuetics? Scripture Genre? Those might be useful also!

Much love!

 

[Christ4Me]

Who are you agreeing with there? But if you want to drop out, just do so.

Agreeing that you need a break.

Is that so? Or just that I have a hard time finding actual content in what you write.

I've yet to see you post a definition of what justification is. I'd love to have a discussion about that, but not like this.

 

[marks]

Agreeing that you need a break.

LOL!

So agreeing with yourself, and you want me to stop.

Got it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Agreeing that you need a break.

I'd love to have a discussion about that, but not like this.

 

[Enoch111]

Not a brother in Christ.

Why not both -- a brother in Christ and a Jewish brother? I believe the first is more fitting to the context, particularly after Christ spoke to Ananias.

 

[Titus]

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Why not both -- a brother in Christ and a Jewish brother? I believe the first is more fitting to the context, particularly after Christ spoke to Ananias.

It cannot be both due to the context.
Paul said himself His sins were washed away in baptism, Acts 22:16
Ananias referred to Saul not Paul as brother, before he was immersed.
Saul was not saved. Once Saul became a saved Christian he was then referred to as Paul,
Acts 13:9
Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him.

 

[Titus]

Why not both -- a brother in Christ and a Jewish brother? I believe the first is more fitting to the context, particularly after Christ spoke to Ananias.

Hello, I loved your work with the calvinists.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

James said they CLAIM they have faith, He never said he had faith. so your wrong



James equaled their claimed faith to two things

1. It was mere belief ( you believe there is one god you do well even domons believe)
2. It was dead.

A dead faith is no faith at all. It is not living. It never had life. thats WHY there were not works.

No, clearly James spoke of a KIND of faith that is void of works (faith alone) that does not save as the devils have. Contrasting this faith void of works to faith that includes works that does save.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

The more I read and re-read, the more I realize you are plainly saying that we are not saved until we do the works.

So then doing the works merited his salvation. We will remain in disagreement over that, I'm afraid.

Much love!

I have asked others this question receiving no Biblically based answer.....where does the Bible ever call obedience to God's will a work of merit done to earn God's free gift???????

 

[Titus]

I have asked others this question receiving no Biblically based answer.....where does the Bible ever call obedience to God's will a work of merit done to earn God's free gift???????

Strange, you would think somewhere in the sacred Scriptures there would be condemnation for ALL works in order to be saved in Jesus' gospel? If the doctrine of belief only and no obedience salvation were true.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Acts 22:13 "brother Saul"

Ananias was a jew. Paul was a jew. That is why Ananias refers to Paul as brother.
Not a brother in Christ.
Fact remains: Paul said his sins were washed away in water immersion, Acts 22:16.
Not before!

Acts of the Apostles 3:17-19 Peter called those who were impenitent, unconverted and still lost in their sins "brethren". They were not brothers in Christ. Hence Ananias calling Saul 'brother' is not proof Saul was already saved before his being baptized.

A Barnes on Acts 3:17 "And now, brethren - Though they had been guilty of a crime so enormous, yet Peter shows the tenderness of his heart in addressing them still as his brethren. He regarded them as of the same nation with himself; as having the same hopes, and as being entitled to the same privileges. The expression also shows that he was not disposed to exalt himself as being by nature more holy than they. This verse is a remarkable instance of tenderness in appealing to sinners. It would have been easy to have reproached them for their enormous crimes; but that was not the way to reach the heart. He had indeed stated and proved their wickedness. The object now was to bring them to repentance for it; and this was to be done by tenderness, kindness, and love. People are melted to contrition, not by reproaches, but by love." (my emp)

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Strange, you would think somewhere in the sacred Scriptures there would be condemnation for ALL works in order to be saved in Jesus' gospel? If the doctrine of belief only and no obedience salvation were true.

If obedience to God are works of merit then God must require works of merit to be saved...Christ is the Author of salvation unto all them that have works of merit Hebrews 5:9. Yet Eph 2:9 would contradict that by showing works of merit do not save. Oh what a tangled web faith onlyist weave by calling obedience to God works of merit.

 

[Titus]

If obedience to God are works of merit then God must require works of merit to be saved...Christ is the Author of salvation unto all them that have works of merit Hebrews 5:9. Yet Eph 2:9 would contradict that by showing works of merit do not save. Oh what a tangled web faith onlyist weave by calling obedience to God works of merit.

It seems an impossibility for them to come to that logical conclusion.

I have not had one person who believes you do not obey any commandments to be saved, answer, 1John 3:23-24.
I'm waiting for Danthemailman, Eternally Greatful and marks to give an answer to,
1John 3:23-24.