Is this place overwhelming just the typical run of the mill conservative Christians who ignore science and biblical scholarship?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well, apparently the whole USA knew the election was tampered with and Trump won the election by a landslide. Stacy Abrams stole every vote possible through ballot stuffing with no dates. Every almost state in the USA passed laws against ballot stuffing, because some states looked bad on how they counted and lost ballots. How do you think Trump won so quick this time, it's because all the loopholes were outlawed, except California. Besides that, Jan. 6 was a scam to the public. The democratic trial deleted all the evidence against Trump after the Republicans gained control of congress, because there was none. That's why it went away.

It wasn't a fair election this time either. They substituted their typical ballot harvesting/stuffing and the clever Dominion software switch-a-roo by adding millions of illegal voters. Still, I'm sure they used dead registered voter spots - that could amount to millions. It is likely Kamala got 5-10 million fraudulent votes, from not only recent migrants bit also10 million illegals that were already here. So they cheated, manipulated the laws that require voter ID'S.
Here is a list of states that did not require an ID:

California
DC
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Mass.
Minn.
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Penn.
Rhode Is.
Vermont
Wash.

Then there are nine states that require a non-photo ID.

Kamala did not get 71 million legitimate votes. Even though they cheated - they still lost, which confounds them.

 

[Skovand]

Really, there is no such thing as a "conservative" Christian or a "liberal" Christian. You are either IN the truth of Christ or you are not. The terms conservative and liberal are political terms.

I would challenge that. There is a commonly recognized issue of experiences shaping our paradigms including our biblical perspective. It’s not a scientific law but a social development that we all partake in. So it does not matter if something is a political term or not. Christianity is always preceded by an adjective when it comes to how we see the stories in the Bible.

So someone may or may not be a conservative, and someone may or may not be a Christian, but if they are a conservative and they are a Christian, they belong to the form of Christianity widely recognized as conservative Christianity, and if in America, they fall into conservative American Christianity. It exists and despite so called outliers, it comes with its own set of baggage and tropes just like if someone is a liberal and a Christian. There are certain run of the mill traits you find within conservative Christian circles that you don’t find in liberal Christian circles. Many such issues or stances are showcased in this thread. If many of these people were to go to a liberal Christian forum, they would feel very out of place, constantly be arguing and telling almost everyone they are fake Christians, idiots and so on until they decided to leave because of the different power dynamics.

 

[Wrangler]

Despite living in south Alabama surrounded by conservatives, I only really engage with them at work. They are all more libertarian than full blown conservative. People tend to be far better people in person.

This is because of your ilk embracing totalitarianism. On line, all you got is the person's political views.

In person, despite your perverted Cultural Marxist ideology, part of you recognizes the totality of the person is more than their political views.

I'm actually pretty good friends with a Democrat. We are coworkers and have a lot in common outside politics, including a great sense of humor and belly laughs. We are both book worms and play Pickle Ball together regularly. She's become friends with my wife also. She's into genealogy and even takes vacation to research genealogical records of her family. Sometimes, she has even gone out of the country to do this research. We don't have that in common. Knowing I am a big league Trump supporter, we don't talk about politics.

Recently, I met her uncle and aunt. They were here for about a month escaping the ravages of the hurricane damage to their home in South Carolina. They are also avid Pickleball players. Sadly, she rejects Christianity. Just another thing we simply don't talk about. While I'm willing to broach these subjects, she is not.

For me, it is much more important that I build and maintain a positive relationship, even with people like you and her who are lost Spiritually and politically, than it is to harp on it for I have enough discernment to know that neither of you have eyes to see or ears to hear. It is not my words or will but only the Holy Spirit who may bring you into the fold. Amen and God bless.

 

[MatthewG]

I’ll be honest. Despite living in south Alabama surrounded by conservatives, I only really engage with them at work. They are all more libertarian than full blown conservative. People tend to be far better people in person. They don’t tend to bring up as wild as ideas. Online, I tend to not spend anytime with conservatives outside of younger adults and teens in college or who comes to a campus meeting or end up in one of my hikes. I did not know yall were as nutty as this. I thought only the very fringe ones were, which I guess maybe you are on fringe and that’s why so many of y’all are here.

Hello @Skovand,

I'm from northeastern Alabama. I only really engage with people more at work than I do normally outside of work (I enjoy being alone.) People in social places are relatively easier to talk to. However, even in work scenarios, it can be difficult to conversate when you are scheduled to work with a one-on-one at a mentally ill school, as you want to strive for the best concerning your client who has disabilities. There are some people at work, I just generally am cordial towards but try to avoid but this might be due to my own schizophrenia. Being apolitical, I can listen to people and what they want for the country but in the end, some things can be changed and some things can not be changed. I think that all people desire freedom, but the only freedom founded in this life, is totally out of this world. Freedom in the Lord Yeshua, is hard to find. With all the traditions, and all the crap the world tries to throw at people, its hard to the bible of all things especially to understand in context and content because it really does a lot to us by in accordance to our flesh. It basically kills it, where the spirit of Christ by and through learning about the Father and the Son, gives us life spiritually compared to the flesh.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't need to listen to some link Skovand.
I'm a Christian person and know that §God Father does NOT HAVE A BODY.
I also showed you 2 items on a list that you posted that DO NOT CLAIM that God Father has a body.

Since you don't care to post your understanding...this conversation ends right here.

Ye shall know them by their fruits . i have watched this man you speak too . He cheered the idea
of a fourteen year old girl have a double mashectomy . And his doctrine has also fallen far short of the DOCTRINE of GOD
in that bible . we got men and even women amongst us whose desire is
for another god and that god has promised them both salvation and their sin . PLEASE UNDERSTAND why that god
WONT BE CAPTILIZED on my watch . it aint GOD baby . IT AINT GOD at all . satan is very slick
and he will use the name of GOD of CHRIST but beware him for he feeds only the flesh of man
while promising them the salvation of GOD . HE IS A LIAR and the FATHER OF IT . beware . beware .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Ye shall know them by their fruits . i have watched this man you speak too . He cheered the idea
of a fourteen year old girl have a double mashectomy . And his doctrine has also fallen far short of the DOCTRINE of GOD
in that bible . we got men and even women amongst us whose desire is
for another god and that god has promised them both salvation and their sin . PLEASE UNDERSTAND why that god
WONT BE CAPTILIZED on my watch . it aint GOD baby . IT AINT GOD at all . satan is very slick
and he will use the name of GOD of CHRIST but beware him for he feeds only the flesh of man
while promising them the salvation of GOD . HE IS A LIAR and the FATHER OF IT . beware . beware .

@amigo de christo

 

[RedFan]

Really, there is no such thing as a "conservative" Christian or a "liberal" Christian. You are either IN the truth of Christ or you are not. The terms conservative and liberal are political terms.

Perhaps "fundamentalist" Christian would be a surrogate for what has thus far been called a "conservative" Christian?

 

[amigo de christo]

Perhaps "fundamentalist" Christian would be a surrogate for what has thus far been called a "conservative" Christian?

yeah right . in no way are most evangelical christians fundamental .
The KKK sure is not
many are not . media and the devil have used the word fundamental to describe groups that are in no way
fundamental . But media , just as satan knows how to deceive the entire lot of all who want to be deceived .
In truth the true fundamental is the true christain . they do hold the bible as truth of GOD
but they , the true lambs DONT add junk doctrines into it .
most who society label as fundamentalists , are fundamental all right , TO THE DOCTRINES OF MEN
though they claim to adhere to fundamental truth of THE BIBLE .
YA LOOKING at a true fundie . no fear of man and i wont back away or back down . But as i said
Most of christendom is not of CHRIST , most who even claim the VERY TRUTH that the BIBLE is inspired of GOD , FOR IT WAS
STILL do not hold to it but rather to what MEN said about it . I am prepared to die as i have lived
FOLLOWING CHRIST with my BIBLE IN MY HAND . and not a one can do anything about it . I made my choice
You all need to make YOURS .

 

[RedFan]

in no way are most evangelical christians fundamental

I never suggested otherwise.

 

[Skovand]

@amigo de christo
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I agree. We do know those who are of Christ because of their fruits. It’s because of Christ that I became a liberal. It’s the conviction of the Holy Spirit that led me to the belief that love and justice resigns over personal gain and hatred.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ye shall know them by their fruits . i have watched this man you speak too . He cheered the idea
of a fourteen year old girl have a double mashectomy . And his doctrine has also fallen far short of the DOCTRINE of GOD
in that bible . we got men and even women amongst us whose desire is
for another god and that god has promised them both salvation and their sin . PLEASE UNDERSTAND why that god
WONT BE CAPTILIZED on my watch . it aint GOD baby . IT AINT GOD at all . satan is very slick
and he will use the name of GOD of CHRIST but beware him for he feeds only the flesh of man
while promising them the salvation of GOD . HE IS A LIAR and the FATHER OF IT . beware . beware .

Thanks Amigo.
I only read posts that are addressed to me....so I know that I miss a lot.
What you state above is representative of a SICK SOCIETY....and, hopefully, with this President this will change somewhat....if not completely because it should be ILLEGAL to do such operations on MINORS --- unfortunately with the consent of their dumb parents. This happened to Elon. He said that he was told by doctors that his son was going to commit suicide if he didn't have this sex-changing operation. These doctors belong in prison for life.

They're worse than Hitler whose doctors performed experimental operations on persons...even on children.
At least they ADMITTED what they were doing and tried to hide it from the world because they knew it was wrong.
The doctors that do these things think there's nothing wrong with them!

Do you know the first item of the Hyppocratic Oath?
DO NO HARM.

Yes. We need some serious change.

 

[Brakelite]

Perhaps "fundamentalist" Christian would be a surrogate for what has thus far been called a "conservative" Christian?

Augustin56 would likely prefer Catholic Christian who has the full truth and fundamentalist Christian who is a terrorist and violent. At least according to Francis. Ironically, the Catholic Church has become one of the most liberal of religions.

 

[amigo de christo]

Augustin56 would likely prefer Catholic Christian who has the full truth and fundamentalist Christian who is a terrorist and violent. At least according to Francis. Ironically, the Catholic Church has become one of the most liberal of religions.

With whom the kings of this world have committed fornication and been made drunk with the wine of her cup of fornication .
And her drink has now offered up the idea that them pesky fundies are dangerous .
And many children of all strange and diverse doctrines are gathering as one at her table .
On this path tribulation shall arise against any and all who did not conform to her ways and did not put their lips to her
cup of fornication .

 

[Scott Downey]

So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

The above is all the early church was concerned with, but today the modern concerns of this world, and sinful social agendas have corrupted some.

The word here is the scriptures. And coming from a God who reveals mysteries, the deep things of God from His Spirit to our spirits.
The church, Christ purchased with His own blood. Only they will know the truth, perhaps even in the next world.
I am sure the dead in hell will never understand the mysteries of the kingdom, for they have not been given to know Christ, God, Heavenly things. At the final judgement, what will the Father say.
It is coming, the Last Day.

1 John 2:17
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

John 8
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

John 3
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life.

Acts 20

25 “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent[e] of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not [f]shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church [g]of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking [h]perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

32 “So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel. 34 [i]Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me. 35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

 

[Skovand]

So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

The above is all the early church was concerned with, but today the modern concerns of this world, and sinful social agendas have corrupted some.

The word here is the scriptures. And coming from a God who reveals mysteries, the deep things of God from His Spirit to our spirits.
The church, Christ purchased with His own blood. Only they will know the truth, perhaps even in the next world.
I am sure the dead in hell will never understand the mysteries of the kingdom, for they have not been given to know Christ, God, Heavenly things. At the final judgement, what will the Father say.
It is coming, the Last Day.

1 John 2:17
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

John 8
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

John 3
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life.

Acts 20

25 “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent[e] of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not [f]shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church [g]of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking [h]perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

32 “So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel. 34 [i]Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me. 35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

Just so you know…. All the liberal Christians use the same scriptures about yall.

 

[Scott Downey]

Just so you know…. All the liberal Christians use the same scriptures about yall.

The question is of course, do they recognize the body of Christ?
As in we who belong to Christ and we know the test of that. It is very simple, as John 5 says

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

 

[Skovand]

The question is of course, do they recognize the body of Christ?
As in we who belong to Christ and we know the test of that. It is very simple, as John 5 says

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Here is how I test to see if a conservative Christian is actually a Christian. It’s very simple.

John 5:24-30
24 Very truly, I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and does not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.

25 “Very truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, 27 and he has given him authority to execute judgment because he is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be astonished at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and will come out: those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

I check to see if they bear the fruits of the spirit or the flesh. I see if they practice true religion.

James 1:27
27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

I see if they are then inspired by the beatitudes of Jesus.

I also pray for the Holy Spirit to guide them to the truth like I do so that they may accept the Bible.

 

[Scott Downey]

Sanctification is a process. And it is the will of God for everyone He receives.
God will discipline them, else they are not sons, not a part of the family of God.
And it can be painful, but we are to be conformed to the image of Christ, that is God's will.
Have no confidence in the flesh or this world, those of the world will not lead you to God.
Some people learn this easier than others.

Glory Only in the Lord​

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

And consider what Paul said about his prior life, that it is as rubbish on the ground
The world is passing away.

Philippians 3

Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship [a]God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain[b] to the resurrection from the dead.

Pressing Toward the Goal​

12 Not that I have already attained,[c] or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have [d]apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already [e]attained, let us walk by the same [f]rule, let us be of the same mind.

Our Citizenship in Heaven​

17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

 

[Skovand]

Sanctification is a process. And it is the will of God for everyone He receives.
God will discipline them, else they are not sons, not a part of the family of God.
And it can be painful, but we are to be conformed to the image of Christ, that is God's will.
Have no confidence in the flesh or this world, those of the world will not lead you to God.
Some people learn this easier than others.

Glory Only in the Lord​

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

And consider what Paul said about his prior life, that it is as rubbish on the ground
The world is passing away.

Philippians 3

Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship [a]God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain[b] to the resurrection from the dead.

Pressing Toward the Goal​

12 Not that I have already attained,[c] or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have [d]apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already [e]attained, let us walk by the same [f]rule, let us be of the same mind.

Our Citizenship in Heaven​

17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

I fully agree.

 

[Skovand]

This place, and I’ve looked at a handful of various random threads, seems to be overwhelmingly full of what I mentioned in the thread title. It’s overwhelming conservative Christians who reject the consensus of biblical scholars and scientists in general.