I just pointed out the differences and what can happen.In the LDS everyone becomes a God there are Gods everywhere even Satan is a God and Jesus brother.In the Christian Church we become adopted sons of God in Christ.They claim through prophecy God had a physical relationship with a female spiritual being who is Jesus real mother but they can't name her.They claim we are in error but will be given the chance to accept the Book of Mormon at death.
Is this place overwhelming just the typical run of the mill conservative Christians who ignore science and biblical scholarship?
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I really dislike this.
Will we find God's truth through discussions and science and politics? Perhaps all may be involved, but the Word of God does not change. People however often have decided what the Word of God is and are restricted accordingly. Where and what is the Holy Spirit in our determinations?
Dan Clarkston
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Liberals such as yourself should go find a nice forum that affirms and supports baby killing liberal perverts so you will feel at home there among your liberal brethren who demand that all bow to their view point as they seek to bring forth the coming tyrannical, fascist one world government and the liberal hero... the anti-christ.
Eternally Grateful
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That which is toxic would be man's input without God's direction.
| Jer 10:23 | O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. |
From where does one to get proper direction?
| Ps 37:23 | The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way |
The word of God is simple to know it is everything Jesus has said and taught practicing it is another thing.He is the word of God or do you not believe that?
There are indeed, but we should not expect to change what a person believes by pointing them out.
Some of us here do not believe in a trinity, but as you indicate, we are no longer allowed to discuss it. Such discussions were allowed here in the past, but all of our discussions did not bring us all into agreement. I will say no more on this.
| 1co 13:12 | For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. |
When is then?
| 1jo 3:2 | Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. |
Sure. I’m not a Mormon. I was just pointing out that the statement you made about god having a physical body did not begin with Mormonism, but existed before the Torah was even completed. Was a concept around before Judaism was even Judaism. That it’s been part of the Jewish faith from the beginning. Some sects hold to it. Some don’t. But the podcast episode dives into it and uses a few books.
There are even ancient Jewish sects well before Christianity that seemed to have also believed and taught that Yahweh was one god and El was another god and overtime they were conflated into one and some also believed that Yahweh had a wife. All things we can see historically and even that some of the redactors ( biblical editors ) believed.
There was never one version of Judaism or even one version of Christianity.
You only showed that you isolated a few things , and misunderstood all of it and connected dots that were not even there. So the discussion never began because you did not put in any effort.
OK S.
No hard feelings.
I just wanted to say that my beliefs will not be changed....
especially by listening to a YouTube program about God.
Unless it might be by John Lennox.
I don't come here to this forum to watch videos.....or read articles.
I come here to discuss biblical matters because I'm interested in theology.
I did list 2 items that I felt you misunderstood about the particular person's writing - which I mentioned.
He was not saying that God has a body.
But, as you said, I didn't read the entire article.
Wrangler
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Let me get this straight. You consider yourself educated (on the side of 'science’) and anyone who disagrees with you is wasting your time? What's funny is that is EXACTLY how the ignorant go about it.
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Wrangler
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So it’s not a YouTube video. It’s not some amateurs. It’s three biblical scholars who all have phds and two of them were professors of theology. It’s an hour long podcast discussing several views, not just their own, but several different views that Jewish sects have all held about god written about in writings like Talmuds and midrashs and part of that discussion is about two books one by a fourth biblical scholar. In those views you hear of some believing God had no body, some believing he had a body make of fiery light, some that he had a body very much like our own. Some believed the body was more manly, some believed it was more feminine, some believed his body had genitalia of both the male and female sex and some believe his body was genderless. In the books, which I’ve also read, along with about a dozen other books on god, there are even more views that was held by ancient Jewish people about god such as god having no body, but could possess plants, people and even rocks and animate them. Some believed that Yahweh was a mountain god and El was a storm deity worshipped by Canaanites and that Jews arose as a sect within Canaanites and overtime the story of Yahweh and the story of El were merged together. Some believed god knew everything and done did not. Some were monotheists, some were polytheists but most were actually a third type called monistic. One sect of Jews even believed El was a giant bird like god and we see some of that in texts such as the spirit hovering above the waters and so on.
So I perfectly understand the context of the snippet you read. I did not misunderstand any of it. You highlighted a snippet and tried to weaponize it as some sort of “aha” but it just was not.
Which goes back to why I came here. I came here looking for a wide diverse group of Christians. Stoic Christians, messianic Christians, anti Pauline Christians, Christian mystics, and so on.
I love the Bible. I’ve been studying the Bible for close to 20 years with several years in college going pretty in-depth into it. I’ve read literally hundreds of academic books on it and have listened to thousands of hours of scholarly discussions on it. I was hoping to further expand that in a forum like this.
I don’t expect to change your mind. It takes years of hard work and intense studying to move deeper into the Bible than plain text reading and to escape self imposed echo chambers. I don’t expect 99.99% of yall of doing that. That’s ok. I’m not here to change minds. I’m here to share things I find cool with those who are already in the process of deconstruction and reconstruction. I’m here to leave comments and posts that people like me hears from now, even after I’m not here possibly, comes across and use word searches to track specific discussions. I do it all the time. I sometimes read forums that are almost 20 years old at times and benefit from it greatly.
Ronald David Bruno
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Go Trump! God chose a good president for us this time!
Romans 13:1 confirms that!
How dare you refer to any Christians as coming from a cesspool? It's the Body of Christ. You got a problem with Christ? Be careful!
I am anti-vaxxer, YEC, Right Wing Christian, who hates sin, no matter whose committing it - myself included. I hate that men like Obama, Biden, Soros, Klaus Schwab, Gates, Zuckerberg - the Deep State clan, have been trying to destroy America from within. I hate this Communist/Globalist agenda, wokism, Climate Chance, DEI, CRT, garbage they are pushing in schools, transgender crap included - there are only two genders! And that has been a scientific fact since the origin of life. I can go on, but that should be enough for ya.
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Not a problem with Christ at all. Just fed up with stupid people who reject science, practice bad theology that lacks contextual analysis and proudly proclaim their ignorance. I won’t be able to see your reply but feel free to repeat it anyways.
But "everything Jesus has said and taught" is not recorded in the New Testament, if John 21:25 is accurate. And what IS recorded is mostly attested by non eye-witnesses. Then there us the problem of reconstructing the gospels from copies of copies of manuscripts that do not full agree with each other.