So I’m just trying to see if I’m wasting my time. I’m getting the feeling by Christian this place is just mostly a cesspool of anti vaxxer, young/old earth anti everything marginalized alt right Christians. Or am I missing the college grad liberal science accepting side of Christianity here? If this place is just mostly Trump flags I can save myself a lot of time by bouncing and finding better places to expend my energy.
Is this place overwhelming just the typical run of the mill conservative Christians who ignore science and biblical scholarship?
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Inl originally joined because it made statements like “ Our community has been around for many years and pride ourselves on offering unbiased, critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds. We are working every day to make sure our community is one of the best” but other than 1-2 people about of like 80 there is no diverse background or any sort of biblical Criticism. It’s just conservative, biblical literalist clones.
quietthinker
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Don't stress Skovand, is that you under the mushroom? :)
There are dissenting voices....but how to recognise them because all consider themselves somewhat 'unique' and dare I say it, bordering original.
Yes. I am wearing an Amanita persicina mushroom cap that I found while hiking for that pic. It’s one of my favorite species of mushrooms and often confused for the a. muscaria along with Amanita jacksonii and Amanita flavoconia. Despite all looking similar they belong to different sections.
I know everyone is unique, for the most part. Even within young earther conservatives will all have different interests and so on. But almost all of their theological beliefs fall within biblical literalism and concordism. They will have different opinions on many things like eternal conscious torment or universalism, or futurism vs preterism and so on. Typical doctrinal differences. It’s like one level above basic book chapter verse quoting and biblical trivia.
1. Biblical trivia and book chapter verses.
2. Typical doctrinal differences.
Then we get to deeper layers like open and process theology, omnistic Christianity, syncretism, and if the Bible has different sources seamed together by lost groups of Jews. Or Coptic vs Dead Sea and so in. Things not simply like young earth vs old earth creationist versus evolutionary creationist to rejecting any form of intelligent design.
Trying to find fellowship over just dogma debates or just conservative ones.
I know everyone is unique, for the most part. Even within young earther conservatives will all have different interests and so on. But almost all of their theological beliefs fall within biblical literalism and concordism. They will have different opinions on many things like eternal conscious torment or universalism, or futurism vs preterism and so on. Typical doctrinal differences. It’s like one level above basic book chapter verse quoting and biblical trivia.
1. Biblical trivia and book chapter verses.
2. Typical doctrinal differences.
Then we get to deeper layers like open and process theology, omnistic Christianity, syncretism, and if the Bible has different sources seamed together by lost groups of Jews. Or Coptic vs Dead Sea and so in. Things not simply like young earth vs old earth creationist versus evolutionary creationist to rejecting any form of intelligent design.
Trying to find fellowship over just dogma debates or just conservative ones.
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
There are many things which are not watertight as we would like to have them be in the utterances of the scriptures because of a variety of factors. The expression 'the word of God' is too easily understood as meaning the printed page is inerrant.
We do however have what is needed in God's revelation of himself and that is Jesus. The wonder of this event is most often maligned, misunderstood and perverted by the joyless masses calling themselves followers of the Nazarene.....let alone those who do not align themselves with the God-Man.
Jesus words are, 'leave them, they are blind guides...'
I hear you, sadly many seeking fellowship don’t have the loudest voices here. I don’t tend to debate as it drives me nuts, must admit attitudes towards one another with differing views is awful. I am also not a big fan of Mr Trump, I have my reasons but time will tell if what’s on my heart will come to pass.
There are many here with good hearts and an ability to interact without insults xx
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Just keep posting what you believe, as long as it applies to the rules.
Unfortunately ,some of us have a habit of speaking on behalf of another.
Telling the other that they talk nonsense..my advice, don’t engage in such talk,...state your case, if some want to discuss with maturity, dignity, respect, excellent.
If they just want to voice their opinion of you, with personal insults, or just want to argue,I say recognise the signs, which are pretty obvious,..either put them on ignore or ignore their posts.
We’ve all been there with the insults, imo, at times in our lives, you can’t make someone see how insulting they are, only God can show us our behaviour.
I wish you well, and pray that you can converse with someone here, on the same intellectual level that you are on.
By the way, I love your avatar, looks like a mushroom on your head...I must say, it’s a great quirky avatar.
God Bless.
Unfortunately ,some of us have a habit of speaking on behalf of another.
Telling the other that they talk nonsense..my advice, don’t engage in such talk,...state your case, if some want to discuss with maturity, dignity, respect, excellent.
If they just want to voice their opinion of you, with personal insults, or just want to argue,I say recognise the signs, which are pretty obvious,..either put them on ignore or ignore their posts.
We’ve all been there with the insults, imo, at times in our lives, you can’t make someone see how insulting they are, only God can show us our behaviour.
I wish you well, and pray that you can converse with someone here, on the same intellectual level that you are on.
By the way, I love your avatar, looks like a mushroom on your head...I must say, it’s a great quirky avatar.
God Bless.
Like many other so-called Christian sites, this one has its fair share of members who like to argue or discuss irrelevant or controversial topics as well as those which are totally just supposition. But there are some of us who sincerely want true Christian fellowship without all the hassle. The good news is that, unlike most, this site has an ignore button.
I tend not to get into the deep discussions and prefer to choose the positive over the negative. Make the site fit you by choosing which threads are worth the effort.
S, you joined in 2022 and only have 77 posts.
This is OK,,,,I just want to say that this pretty much says that you really are a "new" member.
It takes a lot of time to get to know a forum....and its members.
There are all types on any forum you join (well, almost any)...it's up to you to learn which threads you wish to participate in and which members you'd, maybe, rather not even speak to.
It takes time.
Be patient.
Start a thread on how to cook mushrooms....that would be nice.
If you do,,,tag me in.
Sometimes it's good to just post in a light thread.
Jesus is not the messenger....
Jesus is the message.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The Spirit is the messenger .
Is the Holy Spirit a messenger?
“The Holy Ghost is the Messenger, or Comforter, which the Savior promised to send to his disciples after he was crucified.
Only he can witness Gods truth to our heart,imo.
Jesus was the good news, the message of Gods news,his ministry was to spread the good news about God.
.Amen!
My opinion, thoughts.
www.biblegateway.com › passageJesus went all over Galilee. He taught in the synagogues and spread the Good News of the kingdom. He also cured every disease and sickness among the people.
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I have heard here and else where that some reject it for their own version.They even want to throw out books in the bible.They say they don't like that part so they don't believe it but this part is ok I believe that.Its the way of this generation and the world itself.A Christian is ignorant at the beginning and must grow in knowledge and faith accepting it not changing it to suit them.If we follow them the faith will be lost and we can't let that happen they can't come in and butcher it to their own way they do not realize this.But they think its their right to do so.Don't tell them how to believe this faith how dare you they will decide how it will be. I feel pushed away from these sites because of it.Its internet Christianity don't fall for it the faith is already there with all the knowledge for you to gain and grow from in faith.Its not for you to change or reject it.You can walk away.How many people actually believe in the fall of humanity today or that they are in a fallen state.I would say very few even Christians themselves but the bible clearly say this.When you understand and accept the fall of humanity has happened your faith will become clearer if you can't accept it it will not become clear.It is why Jesus came or do you not know that.
Just wanted to be clear. I don’t want to change the Bible. I think there is no such thing as “the Bible” but the Bibles. We have the Coptic Bible, the Septuagint, the Masoretic, the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Lutheran Collection, and so on. The latest version of the Bible is the Protestant collections. We also have many different books that at times were included in the Bible and at times not. Like revelation was not part of the Bible until close to 300ad.
Then on top of these different bibles, we have what is called biblical seams created by different traditions being edited together by Redactors. We see this with places like Genesis 1 and 2 and 1 Samuel 16 and 17. This is not just merely the four source hypothesis but several more including texts from other faiths. Such as how the Epic of Gilgamesh heavily influenced Genesis 1-11.
So I don’t want to change the word of God. I want to help showcase why some approaches to theology is toxic.
I do not disagree in anyway but the core faith is the same in every Christian church no matter where you go it WILL be the same Jesus and never change.Unless your a JW or Unitarian where Jesus is no longer divine. JW Jesus is a created being not divine.Baptist to Catholic its the same Jesus and people in different denomination approach it slightly differently because we can't agree on anything outside the core faith,its typical of human behavior.But the faith is the same.There is a Universal Church that encompasses all Christians Jesus prayed before his crucifixion for unity in the faith because he knew what would happen.The Holy Spirit is there but I don't think we will unite except for a cause or evil that is happening.We are going to the end this way due to our differences in how we want to approach God trying to say whos right and whos wrong in how this is done.But the faith will always remain the same.As a Christian its our Job to make sure that core faith never changes or the faith is lost.
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I will give you a real world example of what can happen take a long look at The LDS Church they have the core faith and mixed it it has all been changed through Proficiency and Revelations.God now has a body there is no trinity Just a God head.God the father who has a body Jesus who has a body and the holy spirit who does not have a body are three Gods with the same will.There is much more.They have the Prophet who can change the faith at his will and you must believe him.You can become your own Prophet.There are rogue Prophet with there own versions like polygamy where you can have as many wives as you want and the more you have the higher your place in heaven will be - how did they get to that?Our core faith must always be protected from change.
Ironically in the Bible there are texts that indicates God did have a body. As far as trinity, I’m under the impression alternative views can not be discussed here but the trinity has never been the only view from the very starry of the faith.
Here is podcast discussing various aspects of this.
Episode 147: Benjamin D. Sommer - Does God Have a Body? - The Bible For Normal People
We asked Benjamin D. Sommer about God's body. Many of us would say God does not have a body but Ben is here to make you guess again!
thebiblefornormalpeople.com
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I took a quick look at your link.Ironically in the Bible there are texts that indicates God did have a body. As far as trinity, I’m under the impression alternative views can not be discussed here but the trinity has never been the only view from the very starry of the faith.
Here is podcast discussing various aspects of this.
Episode 147: Benjamin D. Sommer - Does God Have a Body? - The Bible For Normal People
We asked Benjamin D. Sommer about God's body. Many of us would say God does not have a body but Ben is here to make you guess again!
It states this:
- “When I say that God has a body or anything has a body, what I mean is you can be located in a specific place in a specific time, whatever the shape, whatever the substance happens to be.” — Benjamin D. Sommer
- “God’s body is made of energy, not of flesh, not of matter.” — Benjamin D. Sommer
Could you please explain WHERE in the above it states that God has a body....?
YOU are using the word BODY as we understand it without having read any books regarding God....
BD Sommers is NOT using the word BODY in the same fashion you are.
I would suggest listening to the entire podcast where they discuss several different views. It drops all the verses I am going to drop. Since this post was not about this, I’m not doing the home work. If you listen to the podcast you’ll notice several different views are mentioned. Not just one. If you want to know, listen to it.
you don’t have any idea how I’m using it. You don’t know my opinion. You know maybe two things at best. I mentioned that the idea that god does not have a body is not the only view and that other views have been around since the very beginning of the Jewish faith. So you know I made that statement and you have no idea what my position is.
Secondly you know that I dropped a link to a podcast. A podcast that I’ve already listened to. A podcast whose three different hosts and guests I have read multiple books and articles by.
If you think anything besides though tow things you’re just bad at reading and jump to conclusions because of being emotionally triggered and not intellectually engaged .
So it’s a one hour long podcast. A Quick Look won’t work.
I don't need to listen to some link Skovand.
I'm a Christian person and know that §God Father does NOT HAVE A BODY.
I also showed you 2 items on a list that you posted that DO NOT CLAIM that God Father has a body.
Since you don't care to post your understanding...this conversation ends right here.