I know an associate Pastor, a fine man, that lives in terror of losing his salvation.
He is afraid that Christ will return and that he will not be ready. (sigh)
It grieves me to see people doing that to themselves.
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Is there a cure for my religious upbringing? - other than atheism, I mean.
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He is afraid that Christ will return and that he will not be ready. (sigh)
It grieves me to see people doing that to themselves.
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Debp
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Having questions doesn't make a person an unbeliever going to hell. God knows us more than we know ourselves.
Of course we place our faith in Christ and His Word as our foundation.
Churches and other Christians are all able to make mistakes....just as we are. So we must base our faith in Christ and the Word of God. Otherwise one would be tossed back and forth according to their emotions.
quietthinker
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Turn on the light and the darkness vanishes. If the 'darkness' sticks around, whatever has been turned on is not the light.... even if it makes great protestations that it is. This has got to be as obvious as a train smash!
Jesus is the light for all who have seen, but he is also the light of the World, yet why isn't he the true light for those others? Is it because they've been sold a crock of sh.t which pretends is the real deal? My guess is that this is the case.
Then there are those so enarmoured with the detailed theological structure they have built, they are loath to have it become void so they oppose the very thing they think they are promoting.
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The corporate worship at my church is loud. (the way I like it) Other churches are much quieter. The worship is also very physical. Raised hands and swaying to the music is common. Clapping hands and shouts of hallelujah. Also quieter moments seeking to hear God's voice. Individual worship...
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Your showing externals in your list.
There is a deeper understanding, an internal witness coming from the Father's Spirit to our own.
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God...
That inner witness needs to be backed up and proven by scripture, and when it is you will know whether the teaching is come from God or some other place.
Jesus's promise is He knows His sheep and His sheep know him.
They recognize their Master's voice.
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John 10
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
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John 7
14 Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught. 15 And the Jews marveled, saying, “How does this Man know letters, having never studied?”
16 [c]Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. 18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”
20 The people answered and said, “You have a demon. Who is seeking to kill You?”
21 Jesus answered and said to them, “I did one work, and you all marvel. 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
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Romans 8
Sonship Through the Spirit
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e] Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.From Suffering to Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [g]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
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Romans 5
Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, [d]in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
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On one hand there are people who reject those who ask questions without easy answers. Those do not know how to answer the question themselves and are too proud to say I don't know let me pray about it. Or by answering they would reveal their own doctrunal errancy, and they know it.
On the other hand there are loaded questions that reveal more basic assumptions, which are errant. And are borne from a heart unwilling to accept the revelation from God in his entirety.
Some questions are a little odd. For most questions there is an answer.
The one asking the question though, may not like the answer they get.
But this is not a popularity contest.
And the answer might be very wrong.
All teachers will experience a stricter judgement.
And some ask questions to ensnare someone else, like the scribes and pharisees sometimes did.
The devil is good at that type of questioning.
The one asking the question though, may not like the answer they get.
But this is not a popularity contest.
And the answer might be very wrong.
All teachers will experience a stricter judgement.
And some ask questions to ensnare someone else, like the scribes and pharisees sometimes did.
The devil is good at that type of questioning.
To me, the questions are more important than the answers.
I don't ask questions because I want answers.
I ask questions because I want open discussion.
This was actually more common in Jesus' day.
Luke 10:26 NIV
“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
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