Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

[justbyfaith]

Where is the " Spirit" ever called the Almighty ?

In John 4:23-24 we find that the Father is a Spirit.

Are you contending that God the Father is not Almighty God?

And yes the Bible speaks of three separate people called God!

They are distinct not separate; even according to the creeds.

Calling them separate reeks of Tritheism. That is not biblical Christianity; it is more akin to what the mormons teach about the Godhead.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In John 4:23-24 we find that the Father is a Spirit.

Are you contending that God the Father is not Almighty God?



They are distinct not separate; even according to the creeds.

Calling them separate reeks of Tritheism. That is not biblical Christianity; it is more akin to what the mormons teach about the Godhead.

Define distinct!

And you do not know what tritheism is! That is th eold triads of the pagans! Three separate gods with separate spirits!

Teh one true God is known through three separate individuals- Father, Son, Holy Spirit!

 

[101G]

another swing and a miss, strike 3 you are outta there.

next batter step up to the plate ...............................

sho and 101 cannot hit the slow pitch So I'm surely not going to give them a fast ball. :)

so we can take this as you cannot answer the question?.

but I will not bring myself down to vain babbling.

so, Christophany, once again, I'll ask you a simply question concering the almighty, the LORD, or the Lord. in Revelation chapter 5, he who sits on the throne, (remember this is symbolism), is the same person who stands as the Lamb.... this should make your answer very easy for you as to know who is the Almighty God, the Lord or the LORD. (e)..... YIKES!

do you agree that it is the same one person who sits and who stands here in Revelation chapter 5.

now if you disagree, post why.... (boy I love this).

here's your chance to knock that ball out of the park... (smile) .........

remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[justbyfaith]

Define distinct!

See posts #1-#6 in the following thread:

True Trinity.

And you do not know what tritheism is! That is th eold triads of the pagans! Three separate gods with separate spirits!

That is what you are purporting when you say that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate rather than distinct. Tacking on to the end of your statement, "but they are one God", does not change the fact that you are preaching three Gods when you say that they are separate.

Teh one true God is known through three separate individuals- Father, Son, Holy Spirit!

No, they are distinct, even as I have said; even according to the creeds.

You do not believe in the Trinity like you think you do. The Trinity states that there is one God. By saying that the members of the Godhead are separate rather than distinct you are preaching three Gods. That is Tritheism and not the Trinity as the church fathers proclaimed it.

 

[101G]

God is a Trinity of persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God

first thanks for the reply, second, you really have put your foot in your mouth this time, but not only your mouth, but your fellow believers in three persons. WE, suggest all three believers read this post.

@kcnalp, @justbyfaith, @marks, @Ronald Nolette, and a few other.

lets remove two at one time with one scripture, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

now if all are co-equal, then all three is God.
first problem, the LORD said that "he", the "I" here is God "alone". well that by itself just eliminated any other two persons. when God said "I", a singular person desigination.

now the second problem. the LORD, the person "I", said that there is "NO" God beside him. well 101G, All three are one God. if that's the case, then one of your, your, your, three went rouge then... lol, (LORD forgive me), for one of YOUR three person said, "there is none beside me." now he, YOUR rouge person, one of YOUR three, said there is no God OUTSIDE, or beside him, and there in "NONE", or no PERSON INSIDE, or beside him. read that verse, Isaiah 45:21 again

see those two "beside" me in that one verse. there is no one INSIDE the Godhead beside him, and there is not God, (be it three person, or whatever), "OUTSIDE" of him. because the term BESIDE, means, 1.at the side of; next to. BINGO, meaning that here is no God or "PERSON" on the side of him, or next to him. well that destroys any ... "co-equal", as well as any "co-powerful", or any "co-present", or any other thing or any co-... LOL, LOL, LOL.

Christophany you said, "If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God"

case closed then, YOU have no GOD, you been worshipping a false god, yes, a false "god, and not the TRUE "GOD". you have been a worshipper of a lower case god, which is an Idol. supportive scripture, 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens." now we know what a god lowercase "g" in god is right... scripture, 1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." BINGO, better known as "CHECKMATE".


REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.


out of your own MOUTH, you said, "If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God".
Well, two are missing, (REMOVED).... ... YIKES!


Another successful sabotage operation.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[marks]

you really have put your foot in your mouth this time, but not only your mouth,

you've tagged me so I could read this?

 

[marks]

Another successful sabotage operation.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

OK.

 

[101G]

you've tagged me so I could read this?

do you understand the post and it's implications?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[marks]

do you understand the post and it's implications?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Yes, I think so. You haven't changed in your disrespect of others, and not understanding God's triune nature, you continue to present your own view composed of equivelancies and such, but that fail to take into account some very plainly stated verses, which, as I've seen, you feel free to reword according to your ideas.

And in fact there is no need to reword anything, so long as we are willing to conform our ideas to what the Bible says.

One God, no other God than He. The Father, who is God. The Son, who is God. The Holy Spirit, who is God. You describe Him one way, others describe Him another. Let us make man in our image. This is My beloved Son. A body you have prepared for me.

God speaks in these ways so we can know Him, and not so we can find ways to overturn the normal meaning of language.

We don't find ways to overturn the normal meaning of language as God speaks to us, and for us, to teach us, so that we can know Him.

Much love!

 

[101G]

Yes, I think so. You haven't changed in your disrespect of others, and not understanding God's triune nature, you continue to present your own view composed of equivelancies and such, but that fail to take into account some very plainly stated verses, which, as I've seen, you feel free to reword according to your ideas.

STOP RIGHT THERE, how is this my OWN view? I simply broke down the scripture, and my finding can be reproduce. so you are in error there. see the truth have nothing concering if I dierespected anyone, that's an excuse for not accepting the truth.
as said, don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.

And in fact there is no need to reword anything, so long as we are willing to conform our ideas to what the Bible says.

One God, no other God than He. The Father, who is God. The Son, who is God. The Holy Spirit, who is God. You describe Him one way, others describe Him another. Let us make man in our image. This is My beloved Son. A body you have prepared for me.

who re-worded anything? another excuse. as said my finding can be reproduce, just get a dictionary and find out what words like "beside" means ... when no or none is placed before it. don't make an excuse, study.

see, you want to say, "One God", but your three persons just keep on messing up your one God saying.

God speaks in these ways so we can know Him, and not so we can find ways to overturn the normal meaning of language.

was not this the same God who spoke in Isaiah 45:21? yes, he didn't change his language. so that excuse want work either.

We don't find ways to overturn the normal meaning of language as God speaks to us, and for us, to teach us, so that we can know Him.

that's the problem, and this was their excuse then, and your now. listen to the scriptures, as to what they said about the apostle when thay taught truth, listen, Acts 17:6 "And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;"

see when the truth of God is taught that's the excuse, "We don't find ways to overturn the normal meaning of language as God speaks to us, and for us, to teach us, so that we can know Him".
that sound just like those men in acts, "These that have turned the world upside down" the only thing we're doing is turning an already unside down world ... RIGHT side up, like it was in the beginning.


REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[justbyfaith]

@101G,

The answer is very simple.

When God says "there is no God besides me," He is saying that "the God who exists beside me is me."

Because it is clear from holy scripture that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Do you deny this? That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

Yet, the scripture also says that God is a Spirit. So, do you deny that Jesus is God, since He is come in the flesh?

God the Father is in fact a Spirit who inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). The same Spirit is come in the flesh.

The Person of the Son is distinct from the Person of the Father in that He is come in the flesh.

Do you believe this, yes or no?

 

[kcnalp]

first thanks for the reply, second, you really have put your foot in your mouth this time, but not only your mouth, but your fellow believers in three persons. WE, suggest all three believers read this post.

@kcnalp, @justbyfaith, @marks, @Ronald Nolette, and a few other.

lets remove two at one time with one scripture, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

now if all are co-equal, then all three is God.
first problem, the LORD said that "he", the "I" here is God "alone". well that by itself just eliminated any other two persons. when God said "I", a singular person desigination.

now the second problem. the LORD, the person "I", said that there is "NO" God beside him. well 101G, All three are one God. if that's the case, then one of your, your, your, three went rouge then... lol, (LORD forgive me), for one of YOUR three person said, "there is none beside me." now he, YOUR rouge person, one of YOUR three, said there is no God OUTSIDE, or beside him, and there in "NONE", or no PERSON INSIDE, or beside him. read that verse, Isaiah 45:21 again

see those two "beside" me in that one verse. there is no one INSIDE the Godhead beside him, and there is not God, (be it three person, or whatever), "OUTSIDE" of him. because the term BESIDE, means, 1.at the side of; next to. BINGO, meaning that here is no God or "PERSON" on the side of him, or next to him. well that destroys any ... "co-equal", as well as any "co-powerful", or any "co-present", or any other thing or any co-... LOL, LOL, LOL.

Christophany you said, "If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God"

case closed then, YOU have no GOD, you been worshipping a false god, yes, a false "god, and not the TRUE "GOD". you have been a worshipper of a lower case god, which is an Idol. supportive scripture, 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens." now we know what a god lowercase "g" in god is right... scripture, 1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." BINGO, better known as "CHECKMATE".


REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.


out of your own MOUTH, you said, "If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God".
Well, two are missing, (REMOVED).... ... YIKES!


Another successful sabotage operation.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Do you keep track of the number of Scriptures you delete from the Bible? I strongly suggest that you replace them before Judgment Day.
Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you keep track of the number of Scriptures you delete from the Bible?
Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Why don't you post some of the scriptures that you think he is deleting (for the edification of us all)?

 

[kcnalp]

Why don't you post some of the scriptures that you think he is deleting (for the edification of us all)?

"God the Father" 16 times approx. "The Son of God" I didn't count. For starters

 

[justbyfaith]

"God the Father" 16 times approx. "The Son of God" I didn't count. For starters

I'm sorry, I don't see what your point is in saying this. Would you please elaborate?

 

[justbyfaith]

I would say that God is the Father; and that because Jesus is God that makes Him the Father come in human flesh (Isaiah 9:6). In order to deny the testimony of Isaiah 9:6 here, you will have to change the wording of that scripture, not once, but twice.

Also, a careful examination of Hebrews 2:11-13 w/ Malachi 2:10 will tell you again that Jesus is the Father.

He is in fact the same Spirit, (being God) (see Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) come in human flesh, as is the Father as He inhabits eternity (John 4:23-24, Isaiah 57:15).

 

[kcnalp]

I'm sorry, I don't see what your point is in saying this. Would you please elaborate?

Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[justbyfaith]

Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What verses did @101G remove from scripture?

 

[sho]

How many gods are there? One.
Who is God? Father.
What is the father? Holy.
What is God? Spirit.

=The father who is the only one God is the holy spirit.

It is so easy. I don't understand why people deny it.

 

[justbyfaith]

How many gods are there? One.
Who is God? Father.
What is the father? Holy.
What is God? Spirit.

=The father who is the only one God is the holy spirit.

It is so easy. I don't understand why people deny it.

Of course, it is written that the Holy Ghost (the Comforter, the Spirit of truth) proceeds from the Father (John 15:26).

But that they are the same Spirit is evident (John 4:23-24, John 7:39, Ephesians 4:4).