Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

[ChristisGod]

you said it yourself.
you have confirmed the father is the holy spirit.

another lie from you as I have NEVER said that as I am not a oneness heretic, I'm a Trinitarian.

You obviously cannot tell the difference between the TRUTH and a lie.

 

[sho]

another lie from you as I have NEVER said that as I am not a oneness heretic, I'm a Trinitarian.

You obviously cannot tell the difference between the TRUTH and a lie.

Didn't you say the father is spirit? So you confirmed the father is the holy spirit or is the father not the HOLY spirit? Isn't he holy?

 

[ChristisGod]

Didn't you say the father is spirit? So you confirmed the father is the holy spirit or is the father not the HOLY spirit? Isn't he holy?

You figure it out I've told you numerous times and you REFUSE to listen.

Try rereading my posts in this thread. I'm not explaining myself again and again and again and again etc...........

Read pages 1,2,4-5 for an explanation on the Trinity and how the Father is not the Holy Spirit. Its in detail on those pages if you are interested in the TRUTH.

hope this helps !!!

 

[sho]

You figure it out I've told you numerous times and you REFUSE to listen.

Try rereading my posts in this thread. I'm not explaining myself again and again and again and again etc...........

hope this helps !!!

God is spirit. The word "father" is just a title of the spirit. The holy spirit is the Almighty. And the Almighty has many titles. But he is only one God and therefore only one person.
Yeshua is the visible image of this person.

 

[sho]

Read pages 1,2,4-5 for an explanation on the Trinity and how the Father is not the Holy Spirit. Its in detail on those pages if you are interested in the TRUTH.

How can the father be the spirit but not the holy spirit? That has to mean there are two Gods. But God is one, John said God is one spirit and that is true.
Why don't you accept that?

 

[ChristisGod]

God is spirit. The word "father" is just a title of the spirit. The holy spirit is the Almighty. And the Almighty has many titles. But he is only one God and therefore only one person.
Yeshua is the visible image of this person.

Where is the " Spirit" ever called the Almighty ?

You need to back up your claims with the bible not your opinions.

And the "Father" is not a title, its WHO HE IS, just as the SON is WHO JESUS IS and the SPIRIT is the HOLY SPIRIT, Who HE IS.

hope this helps !!!

but I doubt it will.

 

[ChristisGod]

How can the father be the spirit but not the holy spirit? That has to mean there are two Gods. But God is one, John said God is one spirit and that is true.
Why don't you accept that?

read those pages and figure it out as I've answered your same question ad nauseam.

 

[sho]

Where is the " Spirit" ever called the Almighty ?

John said God is spirit. Isn't God the Almighty?

 

[ChristisGod]

John said God is spirit. Isn't God the Almighty?

where is the Spirit called the ALMIGHTY ?

Got Scripture ?

 

[101G]

The point is that you admit that the Holy Spirit is "another".

GINOLJC, to all.
so you did not look up the definitions? didn't you? I can tell by your reply. ignorance is the worest enemy a christian have not the devil, but sheer ignorance, its just unbelievable.

if you would have look up the definition of "ANOTHER" you would have understood why Jesus is the "Another"/G243 allos Comforter of himself.

school is open, Jesus our first Comforter is in flesh. and Jesus after being glorified in flesh with the Spirit, per John 17, is now that same "COMFORTER" in the Spirit. all it take is some reading and researching ... "WITH" ... the Holy Spirit to get the true understanding of why our lord Jesus is the "ANOTHER" Comforter in Spirit, who was Comforter in Flesh first. my God how hard can it be to Learn a simple truth.

justbyfaith, do you understand why Jesus is the a. consolation of Israel. b. and now the COMFORTER/ADVOCATE to the World? do you know that? and why it is?.

I'm beginning to truly understand why our Lord said, "let the dead bury the dead". I thought it was speaking to, and about worldy people, but now I see diffently.

and to plainly satisfy your curiosity, "ANOTHER" is the EQUAL SHARE of one's OWNSELF... (smile). not a copy, not a division, not a separate and distinct person, but the same one person/sort.... "Diversified". Another of the SAME is a TRUE "DIVERSITY", not a separation.... that's TRUE ONENESS, the one TRUE God, (Spirit) TRULY "DIVERSIFIED" IN FLESH, BINGO, or CHECKMATE. YIKES!!

Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word. ....

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[sho]

where is the Spirit called the ALMIGHTY ?

Got Scripture ?

Is God almighty?

 

[ChristisGod]

Is God almighty?

Where is the Father called the Holy Spirit ?

Scripture and verse please ?

Got Scripture ?

I'm still waiting for a biblical answer from you not another question.

if you cannot provide one just say so mr/mrs sho................

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

first thanks for the reply, second, you don't believe the Lord Jesus yes, or no?.

no the bible speaks of one God who is one person "diversified". the bible never speaks of three separate persons.

see when the bible clearly say, "I God was Alone". where was the other two? or when the Bible say that he, Jesus alone is the only one with Immoritality, where is the other two? or when the bible say, "I" MADE ALL THINGS, where was the other two?

the terms "Father" and "Son" are not persons, but title of ONE person.

but one day you will see the light.

as said, don't argue with 1012G... argue with the scriptures.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I have no argument with Scripture. Just your re-interpretations of it.

What do you mean by "diversified"?

And yes the Bible speaks of three separate people called God!

YOur definition of father and son is nonsensical.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yet you say that the Holy Spirit is "another of the same sort"...is that not two persons; and therefore polytheism, and therefore also strong delusion as you define it?



But consider that the Holy Ghost has behind Him the experiential knowledge of having been human, as the Spirit that Jesus released back to the Father (Luke 23:46) who inhabiteth eternity. So that is a Spirit who is the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11, Ephesians 4:4) who is distinct from the Father in that He has lived the human life of Jesus; and He also proceeds from the Father (John 15:26).



Most definitely (John 4:23-24). And there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). And the Holy Ghost is the same Spirit (John 7:39, Ephesians 4:4).



There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). So if the Father is Spirit He is that one Spirit; and therefore He is "a" Spirit.

Most definitely Jesus is God (a Spirit, John 4:24) come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).



Try Luke 1:35 on for size.



I beg to differ (see Isaiah 9:6). In order to dispute that the verse in question says that Jesus is "The everlasting Father" you have to change the wording of the verse, not once, but twice. And you have another problem because you are saying that the kjv is not inspired and inerrant. Which opens up a whole other can of worms.

No teh spirit being another comforter is not polytheism.

When you look at the Hebrew of teh Old and tehn put the gospels to Hebrew (they are available) you see that
1. Elohim is plural of Elowah
2. Adonai is the plural of Adon
3. The word one in the Shma is the "compound" one (see yachid and echad). Example. the Boston REd sox are one baseball team. They are twenty five persons in that one baseball team!




That is actually Tritheism (three Gods) if you consider them to be actually separate.



Which is the teaching of @101G.



Of course the devil will always come up with a label for sound doctrine in the hopes that people will consider it to be false and not believe in the truth.

I believe that it was D. Martin Lloyd Jones who said that if you have never been accused of preaching antinomianism, you have never preached the true gospel.

It is the devil's tactic to label doctrines that he hates and identify them as heresy to those who don't know their Bibles and therefore don't know any better.

The only solution to this problem is to be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11) and determine for yourself through continued study of the holy scriptures what doctrines are correct by seeing how they line up with the word of the Lord.



I think that modalism is not condemning to the soul if one believes in it.

It is not the Trinity that is essential to salvation according to the Bible; but the Deity of Christ that is the essential doctrine (John 8:24).



It will always be so to you; for you do not have the logical mind that can connect the dots to see how things logically follow from one another; so you will always perceive things that are sequitur as being non-sequitur.

 

[sho]

Where is the Father called the Holy Spirit ?

Scripture and verse please ?

Got Scripture ?

I'm still waiting for a biblical answer from you not another question.

if you cannot provide one just say so mr/mrs sho................

hope this helps !!!

God is spirit and God is almighy.
Why do you hate to believe that God is only one spirit?

 

[101G]

I have no argument with Scripture. Just your re-interpretations of it.

What do you mean by "diversified"?

And yes the Bible speaks of three separate people called God!

YOur definition of father and son is nonsensical.

see this is what the proverb said, Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

first before we tell you what "diversified" means, what it is that I said lead you to believe I re-interpreted any scripture?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Taken]

Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?
OP ^

In One Brief Word- YES.

In understanding- it is more detailed.

Glory To God,
Taken

 

[ChristisGod]

God is spirit and God is almighy.
Why do you hate to believe that God is only one spirit?

I see you do not have any scripture and therefore cannot support your false ideas. Thanks for admitting you have no biblical basis for your beliefs, just assumptions.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

I see you do not have any scripture and therefore cannot support your false ideas. Thanks for admitting you have no biblical basis for your beliefs, just assumptions.

hope this helps !!!

(smile), you know the scriptures, just for argument sake, John 4:24a.

now @Christophany who is the "ALMIGHTY" since you said sho had no scripture reference.

so who is the almighty. the LORD... all caps or is it the Lord...... (smile), which one?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[ChristisGod]

another swing and a miss, strike 3 you are outta there.

next batter step up to the plate ...............................

sho and 101 cannot hit the slow pitch So I'm surely not going to give them a fast ball. :)

 

[DNB]

hope this helps !!!

No, sorry, it doesn't help, only makes things worse!