Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

[justbyfaith]

For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father;

 

[Raccoon1010]

well here is the elephant in the room that no one is willing to see. if there is a trinity of Person in the Godhead, how much of the second person came down to dewll in that body of flesh.

remember you said it was three persons. so how mush of the second person came down... 1/3 of the Spirit?

let hear the truth.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Are you trying to measure the Temple of God? Or asking someone else to do it. I don't see that as possible. Dr's measure the temple that is man in the body form, but that's about as far as they can go.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also there is a spirit descending on Jesus in the baptism. Luke 3:22. But I swear I've felt Jesus' holy spirit at times.

Jesus released His Spirit into eternity at the juncture of Luke 23:46.

The Spirit was then able to descend to any place in time, including a time in which He existed in His own physical body apart from His own self as He descended.

 

[justbyfaith]

well here is the elephant in the room that no one is willing to see. if there is a trinity of Person in the Godhead, how much of the second person came down to dwell in that body of flesh.

remember you said it was three persons. so how much of the second person came down... 1/3 of the Spirit?

let hear the truth.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

All of the Person of the Father descended to become a Man; thus creating a 2nd Person (Romans 1:3, Isaiah 45:11) who is the same Person (Ephesians 4:4-6).

 

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus released His Spirit into eternity at the juncture of Luke 23:46.

The Spirit was then able to descend to any place in time, including a time in which He existed in His own physical body apart from His own self as He descended.

Did you learn about that in the bible? I would like to follow the passages if you would supply them please :)

 

[ChristisGod]

That's what I was taught also. I still get a little confused about the Holy Spirit as he seems to me to be Jesus sometimes.

The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Son as Jesus teaches us below:

Matthew 28:18-20
Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 " Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

John 14:16-17
He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth,

John 14:26-27
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26
26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me

John 16:7-11
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

John 16:13-15
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

Are you trying to measure the Temple of God? Or asking someone else to do it. I don't see that as possible. Dr's measure the temple that is man in the body form, but that's about as far as they can go.

nope, I'm measuring the so called PERSON(S) in the Godhead.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Raccoon1010]

The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Son as Jesus teaches us below:

Matthew 28:18-20
Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 " Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

John 14:16-17
He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth,

John 14:26-27
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26
26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me

John 16:7-11
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

John 16:13-15
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

hope this helps !!!

Yes that helps. It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is the Father or the Son, it says "whom I will send to you from the Father".

 

[Raccoon1010]

nope, I'm measuring the so called PERSON(S) in the Godhead.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Well we know God created the heavens and earth and formed Adam from the dust. Adam had a body and so did Jesus. So with a body of measure he created the Son here on earth. But it would appear the Son's spirit was already existing in my opinion.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes that helps. It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is the Father or the Son, it says "whom I will send to you from the Father".

Amen !

 

[101G]

The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Son as Jesus teaches us below:

the Holy Spirit is Jesus,

as you quoted in John listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

did he not come to them on Pentecost? yes. because he was with them as comforter in FLESH the First time now in Spirit.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[ChristisGod]

Well we know God created the heavens and earth and formed Adam from the dust. Adam had a body and so did Jesus. So with a body of measure he created the Son here on earth. But it would appear the Son's spirit was already existing in my opinion.

yes the Son just like the Father is Eternal as the Holy Spirit is as well. There never was a time when there was not the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristisGod]

the Holy Spirit is Jesus,

as you quoted in John listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

did he not come to them on Pentecost? yes. because he was with them as comforter in FLESH the First time now in Spirit.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I'm not going to argue oneness heresy with you. You will not change your mind and I will NEVER EVER change mine.

In chess its called a stale mate.

I can care less about "winning" an argument with you, I'm interested in others who want to learn truth.

hope this helps !!!

 

[justbyfaith]

Did you learn about that in the bible? I would like to follow the passages if you would supply them please :)

It is a revelation given to me by the Holy Spirit....you may not be able to see it in the passages that I provide...then again you may see it.

Isaiah 57:15 tells us that it is the nature of God that He is eternal and inhabits eternity.

Ephesians 4:10 tells us that He descended and then ascended to fill all things. We know from science that time is a created thing. So Jesus ascended to fill time and eternity. I believe that He also ascended to the same place He was before, with all the same glory as God without shedding His body of human flesh.

The Holy Spirit would be the One to fill all things therefore (the Spirit of Jesus).

While the human person of the Son continued to exist in a finite human body (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

There may be more to it than that; but it is all that I can think of off the cuff.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I'm not going to argue oneness heresy with you. You will not change your mind and I will NEVER EVER change mine.

In chess its called a stale mate.

I can care less about "winning" an argument with you, I'm interested in others who want to learn truth.

hope this helps !!!

Could Jesus visit in spirit beyond the Holy Spirit of God? Just wondering.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes that helps. It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is the Father or the Son, it says "whom I will send to you from the Father".

How does the Son come to dwell within us (1 John 5:12, Colossians 1:27, Ephesians 3:17)? Does He not exist in a physical body (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7)?

 

[101G]

Well we know God created the heavens and earth and formed Adam from the dust. Adam had a body and so did Jesus. So with a body of measure he created the Son here on earth. But it would appear the Son's spirit was already existing in my opinion.

well I don't disagree in part with some of your assessment. you're correct. here's why, JESUS did create the heavens and earth and formed Adam from the dust on day three, and made mankind, (the sexes on day 6). but the Son was not created on earth but his body was, which you plainy and clearly stated. "But it would appear the Son's spirit was already existing in my opinion". this is the most truth I heard in a long time. your are 100% CORRECT that the Spirit existed before the flesh.

see I acknowledge the truth you spoke. which is what the Bible say, Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

one cannot give a name to a child if they are not yet conceived ...

spot on Devin Wintch, I agree with you 100% here.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Raccoon1010]

How does the Son come to dwell within us (1 John 5:12, Colossians 1:27, Ephesians 3:17)? Does He not exist in a physical body (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7)?

Maybe that's how I've been feeling the Spirit of Jesus then. Jesus in us and we in him and somehow I see it as his spirit?

 

[historyb]

Could Jesus visit in spirit beyond the Holy Spirit of God? Just wondering.

He did to St. Paul

 

[Raccoon1010]

He did to St. Paul

Is there a passage for that? Thanks for your help, this sets my mind in a better place to understand what I've experienced.