Is the Logos meaningful, or meaningless? - Depends on your view of Logos.

[St. SteVen]

Again.

You've asked a Biblically based question yet without Scriptural definition, and you refuse to go to the Scriptures to bring clarity to your question. You are intentionally making this "messy" to prove your point.

Totally disengenous.

If you know the truth, the truth will make you free, not messed up.

Maybe the take-away here is, you find your discussions with others about Biblical doctrine to be messy. Truth is not messy.

Much love!

We seem to be at an impasse. Don't blame it on me.
"Who goes to heaven?" is a messy question to answer.
Thus your avoidance.

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We seem to be at an impasse. Don't blame it on me.
"Who goes to heaven?" is a messy question to answer.
Thus your avoidance.

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It's your converation that's messy. I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of truth. Pick a Scripture which relates to your question, and let's discuss it. But this sort of nonesense will go nowhere.

Much love!

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic available.

My agnostic friend says: "I don't need it." - How would you respond?

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[St. SteVen]

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of truth.

That was uncalled for.

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[St. SteVen]

It's your converation that's messy. I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of truth. Pick a Scripture which relates to your question, and let's discuss it. But this sort of nonesense will go nowhere.

Going nowhere is right.
How many posts have we had back and forth
because you can't answer my question, "Who goes to heaven?"
And you claim the truth isn't messy, how about it?

But since you seem incapable of answering, let's try this.
Who goes to heaven in Matthew 25:34-36 ?

Matthew 25:34-36 NIV
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father;
take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty
and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me,
I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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[Gabriel _Arch]

I want to discuss the Logos as what it means before the Logos became flesh. (and dwelt among us)
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. (John 1:1)

This tells three things about the Logos.
1) The Logos was from the beginning.
2) The Logos was with God.
3) The Logos was God.

Our knee-jerk thought is to jump to the meaning that Christ was the Logos.
Which is true by extension. But what was the Logos BEFORE the Logos became flesh?

Strong's Greek 3056 3056. logos Strong's Concordance logos: a word (as embodying an idea)

I want to focus on this "as embodying an idea" definition.
The Logos as embodying an idea, the logic, the reason, the meaning.

So, returning to the topic title question: Is the Logos meaningful, or meaningless?
Especially as it relates to all of humankind.

Was God's plan (Logos) from the beginning to be meaningful, or meaningless?
Or, more to the point, would the plan be meaningful to all of humankind, or only to a select minority?

Was the plan inclusive, or exclusive? (to the majority)
Can we rate an exclusive plan as good, or evil?

Meaningful = has value
Meaningless = has no value

Is the Logos meaningful, or meaningless?

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Meaningful I would say when we consider the New Testament was written in Greek.

In another tradition there is the teaching that the intonation, "OM", is universal word that links all matter together.

We know that the sciences tell us matter is actually atoms moving constantly and to a rhythm. Solid materialism is an illusion.

Taking all that together I think it plausible that Immanuel was God,the word source within all material reality. He is that spirit that holds it all together.

And he arrived to tell us we are more than what the confines of man's ideas and laws impart. Being our being is in and of himself. Which isn't actually a him at all,nor a her for that matter.
"Matter", see what I did there?

 

[St. SteVen]

Meaningful I would say when we consider the New Testament was written in Greek.

In another tradition there is the teaching that the intonation, "OM", is universal word that links all matter together.

We know that the sciences tell us matter is actually atoms moving constantly and to a rhythm. Solid materialism is an illusion.

Taking all that together I think it plausible that Immanuel was God,the word source within all material reality. He is that spirit that holds it all together.

And he arrived to tell us we are more than what the confines of man's ideas and laws impart. Being our being is in and of himself. Which isn't actually a him at all,nor a her for that matter.

That's interesting.
What do you think of the aspect in the Greek that the Logos is "the embodiment of an idea"?
EmBODYment of an idea. - LOL

"Matter", see what I did there?

That's funny, thanks.
Welcome to the forum.

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That was uncalled for.

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Show me differently. You seem to be putting a lot of effort into sloppy discussion to prove your point.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Matthew 25:34-36 NIV
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father;
take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty
and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me,
I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Where do you see anyone "going to heaven" in this passage?

Anyway, at least you are asking about a Bible verse.

Much love!

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

That's interesting.
What do you think of the aspect in the Greek that the Logos is "the embodiment of an idea"?
EmBODYment of an idea. - LOL

Immanuel The Christ was The Logos made fleshly body? That's how I see it anyway.

That's funny, thanks.
Welcome to the forum.

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Thanks. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

Show me differently. You seem to be putting a lot of effort into sloppy discussion to prove your point.

My chosen mode of discussion has no bearing on my "opinion of truth."

Much love!

What a joke!

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[marks]

My chosen mode of discussion has no bearing on my "opinion of truth."

Really? OK. I'll take your word for it then. It sure doesn't look like it. It looks like you are willing to make mincemeat of truth to prove to us all how messy it is.

If you have such a high regard for truth, let's have honest and on point Scriptural discussions. But this isn't that, and I wasn't born yesterday.

Much love!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why are you you?

I suppose this is one of those kinds of questions we're to avoid.


I certainly have my ideas of what you mean. However, I'm not interested in humanist philosophy, and prefer to discuss Scripture. But feel free to explain what this means to you. I'm hoping you will be succinct.

Much love!

Agreed. His questions are to be avoided.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Really? OK. I'll take your word for it then. It sure doesn't look like it. It looks like you are willing to make mincemeat of truth to prove to us all how messy it is.

If you have such a high regard for truth, let's have honest and on point Scriptural discussions. But this isn't that, and I wasn't born yesterday.

Much love!

His questions are not genuine or relevant.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Agreed. His questions are to be avoided.

Yes to this I also am in agreement

 

[St. SteVen]

Agreed. His questions are to be avoided.

Yet here you are.
That was uncalled for.

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[St. SteVen]

Yes to this I also am in agreement

Also uncalled for.

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[CadyandZoe]

Yet here you are.
That was uncalled for.

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Need an umbrella?

 

[St. SteVen]

Need an umbrella?

Maybe.
Since you like to rain on my parades. - LOL

Heckle and Jeckle?



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[Jay Ross]

Maybe.
Since you like to rain on my parades. - LOL

Heckle and Jeckle?

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Since you like to play both cartoon characters of Heckle and Jeckle, there is no need to rain on your parade. You do suck a good job of doing just that without anyone else's help.