Is Sunday the "New Covenant Sabbath"?

[Enoch111]

Wow! The Jews believe in God and have been trusted to keep his word for Millenia.

The unbelieving Jews rejected the Lord Jesus Christ and that is what really counts. Therefore they continue in unbelief with the Jewish Sabbath. But the Old Covenant is null and void. Therefore we now have a Christian Sabbath.

 

[Wrangler]

The unbelieving Jews rejected the Lord Jesus Christ and that is what really counts.

Jews are beginning to embrace the Messiah. Just because they fulfilled prophecy by rejecting the Suffering Servant does not mean they got Is 9:6 wrong.

There is a disturbing passage where Jesus said to a Samaritan that he only came for the Israel nation. Their rejection boomeranged to our Dalvation, yes? Amen. God is great!

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus gave two (2) commandments they are LOVE the Lord your God with all your strength,heart, soul and mind. The other is to LOVE your neighbor as yourself ,all things hang upon these.

He also said to show we are his disciples to LOVE one another.

Do you think Jesus dishonored the Sabbath as those Pharisee did by healing,eating ect. on the Sabbath? He rebuked them. Keeping the Sabbath holy and remembering God rested after his six days of creation is HIS REST.
WE FIND OUR REST IN JESUS,regardless the day. Every day must be a day of worship and resting in him.

Come on Darling, even as a SDA you've got to have more to discuss than this.

Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment because it's lawful to do good on the Sabbath, like healing, ministering, sharing God's love, etc., and you can be Jesus didn't break a sweat doing any of that.

The Pharisees added plenty, and Jesus showed them what He thought of those bulldookey additions. \

If a man claims to love God but blasphemes His name, he's a liar on his way to hell (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)
If a man claims to love God but cheats on his wife, he's a liar on his way to hell (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)

Everyone agrees with all the above, but why is it when our attention turns toward the Sabbath, all of a sudden it's a prob?

Because everyone realize they're not keeping it. That's why I posted this ;)


Does a person who blasphemes God's name really love Him?

 

[Phoneman777]

Phoneman, can you state clearly your point here sorry I'm struggling today to make sense of it. What in affect are you saying. Thanks

Sure.

God's Sabbath day is still the seventh day and New Covenant Christians are obligated to keep the Ten Commandments both in letter and in spirit, seeing that if we're keeping the spirit of a law, we'll automatically be keeping the letter of it - it"s what people who've been saved by grace through faith do: "reasonable service" and "unprofitable service" (Romans 12:1 KJV; Luke 17:10 KJV)

 

[Phoneman777]

Jews are beginning to embrace the Messiah. Just because they fulfilled prophecy by rejecting the Suffering Servant does not mean they got Is 9:6 wrong.

There is a disturbing passage where Jesus said to a Samaritan that he only came for the Israel nation. Their rejection boomeranged to our Dalvation, yes? Amen. God is great!

Think about this: the 10 northern tribes were carried off captive and later the same thing happened to the remaining two tribes in 70 A.D. -- the men were enslaved and castrated, the women were enslaved and raped and who knows what else, wives were separated from husbands, children from parents. It was every bit the devastation God predicted it would be.

God also required Israel REPENT before He would return them to the land.

Can a reasonable thinking man conclude after 2,000 years of this, the Jew gene pool could have survived unmolested with all that Gentile DNA circulating? And there isn't a single instance where God gathered the people back to the land after punitively scattering them without them first crying out in repentance, right?

God didn't have a thing to do with 1948, but anyone who's willing to research can see who did ;)

 

[Enoch111]

God's Sabbath day is still the seventh day...

God in not interested in "the seventh day" per se. But He is interested that the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath be maintained by Christians on "the Lord's Day".

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment because it's lawful to do good on the Sabbath, like healing, ministering, sharing God's love, etc., and you can be Jesus didn't break a sweat doing any of that.

The Pharisees added plenty, and Jesus showed them what He thought of those bulldookey additions. \

If a man claims to love God but blasphemes His name, he's a liar on his way to hell (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)
If a man claims to love God but cheats on his wife, he's a liar on his way to hell (1 John 2:3-4 KJV)

Everyone agrees with all the above, but why is it when our attention turns toward the Sabbath, all of a sudden it's a prob?

Because everyone realize they're not keeping it. That's why I posted this ;)


Does a person who blasphemes God's name really love Him?

I don't think it really has to do with whether a person worships on Sat/Sun but rather with the EMPHASES some put on either day. When a person says others are committing SIN by not worshiping on Saturday is where the controversy comes in.

One day, whichever is correct DOES NOT effect our salvation, which should be the supreme objective of each of us. Furthermore we are to worship by studying, praying, praising, being kind and walking in obedience to all his commandments everyday not just one.

You as well as others pick out their " pet" things to draw controversy. I do not think any of you understand what a true discussion is even in written form, for it is possible as fast as internet is. We can understand completely what our BRETHERN are saying. Some on here see one trigger word and away they go like the witch of the West and I'm really weary with this.

When we break the bread it's not about the crusty top nor the fluffy inside but about preferring another over yourself. I see this witness of Christ rarely if at all.

I think for all true believers whatever label you put upon yourself in regard to denomination or theological ideations should all be done in the Spirit not in the flesh.

 

[Phoneman777]

Sorry I am late to the party here. But you are so wrong! The early church comprised of Jews met on sunday after Sabbath .

Welcome! Kick off your shoes and sit a spell! The issue here is what did God command? You should that according to Socrates Scholasticus and other church historians, the Sabbath was kept for many many centuries by the Christian church...until...another "Church" took control of the region, and Sabbath was done away with and Sunday was set up.

Paul told the Corinthianms to lay aside their offering on the first day of the week.

Let's examine this for a moment: ​

Specifically, Paul said, "lay by him in store", not in a Sunday morning collection plate. Where did people "store" things "by them"? At home. Honest scholars agree Paul told the people to lay something aside at home for Paul so that when he swept into town, he could scoop up the money and make haste to the suffering church in Jerusalem instead having to wait for people to run to the bank or find a buyer for their goat or whatever.

Now, what about "on the first day of the week"?​

The Jews got paid at the end of the work week just like us - on Friday. Now, I can assure you as a Sabbath keeping Christian that I don't have time to come home and get my finances in order and pay my bills and contemplate budgets, etc. I'm too busy getting stuff done before the sun sets!!! Like In the same way, the Jews hurried home and soon after the Sabbath was upon them.....therefore, after the Sabbath on the first day of the week they - like me - would have opportunity to handle the finances and determine what offering to "lay by him in store" for Paul to collect for the suffering saints. This passage in no way supports a Sunday morning church service with passing collection plates.

Nine of the ten commandments are carried to the new, but the Sabbath was not because we have entered into Sabbath rest as Hebrews says.

It's a fact that Hebrews 4:1-10 KJV translates "katapousis" as "rest" except for in verse 9 which says "SABBATISMOS". That's why George Lamsa's Peshitta translation renders the verse: "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". So, you see, the Sabbath commandment IS in the New Testament, and kept over and over in the New Testament by both Jew converts and Gentiles.

The Sabbath is an eternal covenant between god and the nation of Israel, not the gentiles as it is also written.

The Gentiles asked to gather on the Sabbath to hear Paul's preaching - did Paul tell them, "No way, you guys got a new day -- SUNDAY"? No! He told these Gentiles who wanted to keep the next Sabbath to "continue in grace". Acts 13:42-44 KJV is a "grace" sandwich with a generous helping of "grace" in between two slices of whole wheat Sabbath ;)

 

[Phoneman777]

God in not interested in "the seventh day" per se. But He is interested that the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath be maintained by Christians on "the Lord's Day".

Jesus came to "magnify the law and make it honorable" (Isaiah 42:21 KJV).

Did "don't look in lust" do away with "thou shalt not commit adultery" or magnify something that's still there?

Did "don't hate your brother" do away with "thou shalt not kill" or magnify something that's still there?

No scientist worth his salt wastes his time or taxpayer money looking under a microscope to magnify things that no longer exist. The Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV).

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't think it really has to do with whether a person worships on Sat/Sun but rather with the EMPHASES some put on either day. When a person says others are committing SIN by not worshiping on Saturday is where the controversy comes in.

If the 4th commandment is every bit as intact as the other nine, then the issue has nothing to do with what where we place emphasis, right? The issue is, "are we transgressing God's law?" which is the very definition of "sin" (1 John 3:4 KJV).

One day, whichever is correct DOES NOT effect our salvation, which should be the supreme objective of each of us. Furthermore we are to worship by studying, praying, praising, being kind and walking in obedience to all his commandments everyday not just one. [/QUOTE] What affects it is whether we cease to say "not my will, but Thine" and begin to say "not Thy will, but mine". Our actions are simply the outward evidence of our inward spiritual condition.

You as well as others pick out their " pet" things to draw controversy. I do not think any of you understand what a true discussion is even in written form, for it is possible as fast as internet is. We can understand completely what our BRETHERN are saying. Some on here see one trigger word and away they go like the witch of the West and I'm really weary with this.

If Christians were running around preaching we should dishonor our parents or steal from the rich and give to the poor (Catholicism commands both, BTW), then I'd be talking about that. It's not about "pet" controversy: it's about people who call themselves "Christian" flatly refusing to do what Christ commanded by mouth and wrote with His own finger in stone.

When we break the bread it's not about the crusty top nor the fluffy inside but about preferring another over yourself. I see this witness of Christ rarely if at all. I think for all true believers whatever label you put upon yourself in regard to denomination or theological ideations should all be done in the Spirit not in the flesh.

"This people draweth nigh unto Me with their lips and do honor Me with their mouths, but their hearts are far from Me...in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".

You see, there are many many sincere Christians who've been taught a wrong concept of what it means to be in a saving relationship with Jesus - it means total surrender of the will to His will. Unfortunately, many are led to believe we servants of Master Jesus can say "no" to Him and presume upon His grace to cover our rebellion. These will end up in the Lake of Fire if they don't repent. Since Leviticus 19:17 KJV teaches failure to rebuke the brethren for their rebellion is hatred toward them, I'm simply doing the will of my Father when He said "love one another".

 

[L.A.M.B.]

@Phoneman777
There is soon coming a day when all will be revealed to those who follow the Lord.
Walking and being led of the Spirit will prevent true believers from making gross errors in judgment of what IS the will and commandments of God.

I have read what SDA believe and as I told that member who posted those beliefs, except for #18/#24, I could worship with her.

My God is the authour and finisher of my soul. The only prophets I believe, have books in the word of God for our encourangment,our profit and adherents to our walk. Whereas your group believe in Ellen G. White and what she claims were multiple visions from God. I am NOT buying that book!

Jesus left HIS GOSPEL to the world for the salvation plan of the Father, his will is none should perish. Jesus commandments relating to the 10 Commandments are as I quoted them with the added to love one another as I have loved you that they may see you are MY disciples is a part of our covenant with him under grace.

When we are so wrapped up in man / woman's teachings, have we tuned out Jesus's teaching, who is the Son of God?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, it seems to me they regularly take Mondays off.

Sabbath was designed to do no work. No convenience stores, no police, no hospitals, no gas stations, movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, bowling alleys etc. The Sabbath was not established as a communal day of worship for the jews.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Welcome! Kick off your shoes and sit a spell! The issue here is what did God command? You should that according to Socrates Scholasticus and other church historians, the Sabbath was kept for many many centuries by the Christian church...until...another "Church" took control of the region, and Sabbath was done away with and Sunday was set up.

And who or what is this Socrates Schasticus that we should just believe him.

Specifically, Paul said, "lay by him in store", not in a Sunday morning collection plate. Where did people "store" things "by them"? At home. Honest scholars agree Paul told the people to lay something aside at home for Paul so that when he swept into town, he could scoop up the money and make haste to the suffering church in Jerusalem instead having to wait for people to run to the bank or find a buyer for their goat or whatever.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So according to you, they met on saturday, took money and set it aside at home. Then when Paul came- you seem to think he went house to house to collect what people lay in store.

People met in houses in these days and the fact that Paul said to lay by in store so there would be no collection when He came, showed they set this money aside (most likely with the local elder) on sunday.

Also Sabbath keeping is not for worship or communal gatherings. The Sabbath as God commanded was that it was to be a day of rest!

Here is the entire extent of the3 command of the Sabbath:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

also, God made it very clear that the Sabbath was a covenant between Him and the Jewish people as a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

 

[Bob Estey]

Sabbath was designed to do no work. No convenience stores, no police, no hospitals, no gas stations, movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, bowling alleys etc. The Sabbath was not established as a communal day of worship for the jews.

I'd hate to be in a hospital and have all its employees say, "We're taking the day off."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'd hate to be in a hospital and have all its employees say, "We're taking the day off."

Me too.But as jesus said the Sabbath was made for man- not man for the Sabbath.

The church is in perpetual Sabbath rest now so we are free to meet whenever we wish.

That is why Muslim believers meet on Fridays
Jewish believers in Israel and many in the world meet on Saturday
We gentilews follow the tradition of meeting sunday.

 

[Bob Estey]

Me too.But as jesus said the Sabbath was made for man- not man for the Sabbath.

The church is in perpetual Sabbath rest now so we are free to meet whenever we wish.

That is why Muslim believers meet on Fridays
Jewish believers in Israel and many in the world meet on Saturday
We gentilews follow the tradition of meeting sunday.

Yes, Jesus said the sabbath was made for us - not the other way around.

I'll tell you how I look at it: I need a day of rest each week. If I can't do it Sunday, I'll do it Monday. Or I'll rest half of Monday and half of Tuesday. Or half of Tuesday and half of Wednesday. In other words, I'll get that day as soon I can.

 

[Wrangler]

we are free to meet whenever we wish.

Seems there is some confounding between what day to go to church with what day is the Sabbath.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Is Sunday the "New Covenant Sabbath"?

Nope. The "Sabbath" day, as Biblically defined, is STILL sundown Friday, until Sundown Saturday.

However, the new Covenant is that JESUS is the one in whom we rest from our labors, and Romans 14 indicates the UNIMPORTANCE of observing a certain day. Around here the "Cowboy CHurch" (Texas Baptist Heritage Association) Holds services on Mondays, since their congregation tends to be busy on weekends. The do hold Sunday services, though.

 

[Phoneman777]

@Phoneman777
There is soon coming a day when all will be revealed to those who follow the Lord.
Walking and being led of the Spirit will prevent true believers from making gross errors in judgment of what IS the will and commandments of God.

I have read what SDA believe and as I told that member who posted those beliefs, except for #18/#24, I could worship with her.

My God is the authour and finisher of my soul. The only prophets I believe, have books in the word of God for our encourangment,our profit and adherents to our walk. Whereas your group believe in Ellen G. White and what she claims were multiple visions from God. I am NOT buying that book!

Jesus left HIS GOSPEL to the world for the salvation plan of the Father, his will is none should perish. Jesus commandments relating to the 10 Commandments are as I quoted them with the added to love one another as I have loved you that they may see you are MY disciples is a part of our covenant with him under grace.

When we are so wrapped up in man / woman's teachings, have we tuned out Jesus's teaching, who is the Son of God?

Well, the Bible does say that in the last days there would be "false" prophets that would arise, right? You don't warn people of "false" prophets unless there are to be "true" prophets that will arise, right or wrong? Otherwise, the Bible would have simply said, "Beware of "prophets" that shall arise..."

One more word on prophets: "Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." - 2 Chronicles 20:20 KJV

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I have read what SDA believe

The SDA is morbidly afraid, that they'll be FORCED by the Government to "worship on Sunday" which will be the "End of the world" for them. They FEAR the "Sunday laws" to come.

I'd say that it's pretty unlikely that "the Government" will ever even give a hairy rat's posterior for which day a numerically insignificant religious group worships on. We've got a Sabbatarian bunch in Lancaster, TX that calls themself: "GOD'S FINAL WARNING" Church and family life center. They sound like a FUN group -