Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

[Wrangler]

In the current use of prophecy in the church, my experience is that even a prophet
doesn't completely understand the message to be delivered.

Prophecies are usually delivered in humbleness.
"I don't know what this means, but here is what I think God is saying for you."

This was similar to my prophetic experience. Did I ever tell you about that regarding my doctor? Without going into all the details, while I was an enemy of Christ the Spirit gave me a vision. I was not entirely sure of what I saw. That is the humble part. However, I was certain of what it meant by divine revelation; my doctor should postpone his upcoming trip to Haiti.

I am so grateful that my doctor received another unsolicited message to postpone his trip. I needed that more than he did because that confirmation began my slow repentance toward accepting Jesus as my lord and savior, sealed I was by the Holy Spirit in what I learned a decade later is called Prevenient Grace.

 

[St. SteVen]

This was similar to my prophetic experience. Did I ever tell you about that regarding my doctor? Without going into all the details, while I was an enemy of Christ the Spirit gave me a vision. I was not entirely sure of what I saw. That is the humble part. However, I was certain of what it meant by divine revelation; my doctor should postpone his upcoming trip to Haiti.

I am so grateful that my doctor received another unsolicited message to postpone his trip. I needed that more than he did because that confirmation began my slow repentance toward accepting Jesus as my lord and savior, sealed I was by the Holy Spirit in what I learned a decade later is called Prevenient Grace.

That's a good testimony, thanks.

Why did the doctor need to postpone the trip?

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[Wrangler]

Why did the doctor need to postpone the trip?

Mistaken identity.

When he did go after modifying his plans, he said it was the best mission trip he ever had. Blessings.

 

[Jack]

I found myself in a bit of a minor frustration.
My reaction was to raise a fist and blame God. All in jest of course.
I believe that God has a sense of humor and can stand a bit of honest frustration.

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.
And I believe he has a plan in place to make everything right again. The age of restoration.

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Yes, and He warned us that He has a plan.

Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

"and they will be tormented day and night FOREVER"

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, and He warned us that He has a plan.

He warned us?
You are making God out to be a tyrant again.

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[Jack]

He warned us?
You are making God out to be a tyrant again.

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How does citing what God said make Him a tyrant? You really shouldn't call Him a tyrant. Judgment Day is dead ahead.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[St. SteVen]

I found myself in a bit of a minor frustration.

My reaction was to raise a fist and blame God. All in jest of course.
I believe that God has a sense of humor and can stand a bit of honest frustration.

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.
And I believe he has a plan in place to make everything right again. The age of restoration.

The story comes full circle in the end. Nothing left undone.

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[Windmill Charge]

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.

Is knowing something will happen the same as causing it to happen?

It is not enough to say God is sovereign so it is his fault.
None of us live as if we were unthinking preprogrammed robots.
All of us think that we make decisions about how to live.

Society expects people to be responsible for their actions why punish offenders if they are not responsible?


You raise good questions but rarely answer them.

 

[St. SteVen]

Society expects people to be responsible for their actions why punish offenders if they are not responsible?

Yes. We should expect both consequences AND rewards for our willful deeds.
But in the end we had no idea what we were doing. Life is a puzzle.
In general, we fail when we are reactive and win when we are proactive.

You raise good questions but rarely answer them.

Good point.
Ultimately, it's rather futile to think we have all the answers. (links to topics on the subject below)

Leaving Room for Faith - why we don't know EVERYTHING​

Theistic Agnosticism - The honesty to admit we don't know everything​

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[amigo de christo]

I found myself in a bit of a minor frustration.
My reaction was to raise a fist and blame God. All in jest of course.
I believe that God has a sense of humor and can stand a bit of honest frustration.

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.
And I believe he has a plan in place to make everything right again. The age of restoration.

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GOD is not the one to blame .
No sense of humor , no blaming .
Tell your child NOT to do something and then he does it , YEAH its the fault of the child .
Man ate of the tree . SO man is to blame . GOD does have a plan
HIS NAME IS JESUS THE CHRIST and to be saved one must believe .
ALL this cursed world and its evils will be dissolved . And all the evil too .
THUS ITS about high time we fled and flee the lie of interfaith inclusive interreligous lie
and actually started reminding all of the dire need to Repent and believe ON HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

He warned us?
You are making God out to be a tyrant again.

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Enough with this non warning sin accepting version of what this generation thinks is GOD and CHRIST .
JESUS warned big time , As did the apostels .
Most have an image of JESUS that dont exist at all .
Warnings are GOOD
as are and as is EVERY WORD of the LORD , from every promise to every warning .
look at the warnings HE also gave to the seven churches from heaven .
YOU do realize its YOU who calls GOD the tryant . NOT us who use HIS words
we know HIS WORDS are for our good .
YOU seem to omit much and that will be unto your own destruction .
THERE is a reason why GOD warned as did the prophets , as DID THE SON
as did the apostels , as did CHRIST again from heaven .
HE DESIRES not the death of the wicked , not even of the lukewarm
BUT RATHER THEY REPENT LEST THEY SURELY SUFFER in that lake of fire , YOU SEEM to keep omitting .
THUS YOU CALL GOD the LIAR
YOU might wanna read again revelation and also TAKE A GOOD long look
at the warning near the end about ANYONE who does add too or take from .
HURRY now . Get back in the bible and repent fast .

 

[St. SteVen]

Man ate of the tree . SO man is to blame . GOD does have a plan

Adam had no intention of eating thereof.
They were deceived by the serpent.
It was part of God's plan for the redemption of humankind.
There had to be a reason for humankind to be in need of redemption.

Who should we blame for that? Who's plan was it?
And who is sovereign over that plan? (sovereign = responsible)

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[JohnDB]

Oh boy, this is a scary topic, eh? (oops, Canadian slip) - LOL

How dare we blame God for anything? (unthinkable) Or just dangerous?
Really?

If you were God, how would you have created the universe?
What would you have done differently?

What would YOUR Logos/logic/reason/plan have been?

We don't have to trash God to discuss this.

What might you have done differently?

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Who created life?
Who is the Author of perfection?
Who created sin/error?

Not God's fault at all. It's human error that caused the problems....that error stemming from wanting something different from what God has gifted to you. Meaning what you want is wrong.

Try again.

 

[Lambano]

15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Are the names written in pen or pencil?

 

[Grailhunter]

I think it depends on the situation.
Look at Job, look at what he lost!
Note he did not sin by claiming God, but nboy did he complain.

I believe that God understands our pain and allows the resulting g frustration to be expressed.

There is nothing wrong with an anguished cry of ' Why! '

That said we need to keep firm control over our tongue when we stub our toe, get a parking or speeding ticket etc

As part of my ministry I tell people to walk with Christ everyday. That means pray / talk with Him throughout the day. (Of course sometimes people will give you some weird looks.) He is in your life.

On this question; Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is His fault? Blame is an incorrect word. Some good things God causes to happen and some bad things God causes to happen. Some good things we cause to happen and some bad things we cause to happen. Talk to God about it all.

Even Job argued / complained to God. And remember God did not resurrect those in his family that died. So asking God why or complaining to God is ok. That is part of having God in your life. And remember God causes some bad things to happen for a reason(s) unforeseen by you. And for freewill to exist He has to let us make mistakes and suffer the consequences. And some bad things are a matter of coincidence.

As far as health….we all die….the only veritable is die of what. In ancient times disease was blamed on demons….that was not always the case, then or now. The important thing is how we live and when we die be confident in where we are going.

The only alternative is like the Calvinists that believe God controls everything from snowflakes to people like robots. I have seen this belief destroy families and faith, where everything is blamed on God who orchestrated everything like a play before the creation of the world. Even determining if you are going to Heaven or Hell before creation. There is a difference between clairvoyance and predestination. Clairvoyance is God knowing you are going to Hell and predestination is controlling you to do the things that caused you to go to Hell.

 

[Lambano]

Who created life?
Who is the Author of perfection?
Who created sin/error?

 

[Lambano]

This actually hits close to home, because I knew a young man for whom it was not a jest; he really did blame God for the various forms of suffering and degradation he endured during his all-too-short life. He believed in God's sovereignty as strongly as any Calvinist.

But it wasn't a fist he raised, it was the digitus impudicus.

Who created sin/error?

Indeed, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born with what they now euphemistically call "delayed intellectual development" (the less polite members of society called him "retarded" to his face) to an abusive father, and died young of a degrading form of incurable cancer whose cause is unknown?

Blaming Adam (or Eve) for genetic defects and cancer isn't helpful; we still have to deal with it. The anger of his father (who is supposed to model God's love and care) and the callousness of people in our so-called "Christian nation" are, of course, a vivid demonstration of Sin with a capital S.

The young man may not have had the intellectual capability understand the problem of theodicy at the philosophical level, but he understood it down at the street level. So, while he believed in God's sovereignty over his suffering, he couldn't see any evidence that God was good or loving or trustworthy, despite my fervent attempts to persuade him that He is.

 

[Jericho]

I found myself in a bit of a minor frustration.
My reaction was to raise a fist and blame God. All in jest of course.
I believe that God has a sense of humor and can stand a bit of honest frustration.

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.
And I believe he has a plan in place to make everything right again. The age of restoration.

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Well, there's also the matter of free will. Could God stop every one from doing evil or making a bad decision before they did it? Sure, but then that's not free will, we would just be puppets with strings. God could also restore everything instantly but then nothing would have been learned. I think of it as telling a kid not to do something because you know it will harm them. Some kids might listen but others won't. Only after doing it will they understand why they were told not to do it in the first place. Some people only learn from doing things the hard way. I figure God is letting some things to play out to put certain questions to rest once and for all. Questions like, why is sin bad, and do we really need God? Questions that invariably lead to rebellion. So, if we are going to have eternal peace in a restored future, we need a few object lessons along the way.

 

[Lambano]

My reaction was to raise a fist and blame God. All in jest of course.
I believe that God has a sense of humor and can stand a bit of honest frustration.

A teacher I respect says he'll sometimes spit and cuss and tell God exactly what He's doing wrong running the universe. God is a big God; He can take it. And when he's burned out and got it all out of his system, God will come and say

"Okay, are you done now?"

Yeah, I'm done.

And then the healing can come.

 

[amigo de christo]

Adam had no intention of eating thereof.
They were deceived by the serpent.
It was part of God's plan for the redemption of humankind.
There had to be a reason for humankind to be in need of redemption.

Who should we blame for that? Who's plan was it?
And who is sovereign over that plan? (sovereign = responsible)

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GOD , HIS PLAN is to save men . HOW .
try reading the bible and see what paul and others said .
FOR IT pleased GOD by preaching to save THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE .
sorry mr st steven but your universalism incluisivism is a fat lie . And it has come of anti christ not CHRIST
it has come of satan not GOD . cause satan wants all TO DIE the second death .
SO i suggest rather than preaching a lie , we start preaching THE DIRE NEED TOBELEIVE . YOU KNOW , TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
rather than sugar coating death .