Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Raccoon1010]

I disagree with the article because I disagree with the premise. Leftists tend to see the word divided into classes and always make general statements about classes of people. Notice the title of the article, "How Trump talks about women - and does it matter?" The author seeks to answer the question, assuming that Trump treats all women the same. How does Trump treat women as a class? But unlike Leftists, Trump and conservatives don't treat people according to what class they belong. All Trump cares about is whether or not a particular person is qualified to do a particular job and whether or not a particular individual is friend or foe.

For instance, what Trump said about Ms Yovanovitch, wasn't coming from a general attitude toward women, but an informed attitude toward Ms. Yavanovitch individually as a person. To judge Trump's attitude toward women as a class, based on a few examples is inaccurate and unfair.

In my observations, and I have watched a lot of video where the President interacts with people, I have noticed that the President treats women as I do, with kid gloves. Why? Because Jesus and the New Testament encourages us to treat women as the "weaker" partners.

1 Peter 3:7
You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

We must give way to reality and consider our existence as human beings. Men are bigger and stronger and more powerful than women, which is why men of honor treat women gently and avoid using physical strength to win an argument or dominate the conversation. As Peter says, women and especially wives are fellow heirs of the grace of life and therefore, we should treat them as equals even though physically we are not equals.

Trump knows that women have not been treated fairly in society and in the work place. So he gives them plenty of encouragement and opportunities to do well and shine. He doesn't lower his expectations for them. He expects them to do work just as hard as the men, but he also treats them with respect and rewards them when they do well. Women thrive under his leadership.

I totally agree with most of what you said, woman are physically weaker most of the time and should be treated with respect.

 

[CadyandZoe]

So you think that Trump divides people into two groups?
Those who can get a job done and those who can't?

I wouldn't say Trump divides people into groups. When Trump meets an individual, he doesn't see a class of people. He sees a unique individual.

 

[JohnDB]

Three peace deals, bringing the troops home, explaining to NK that our button is bigger than theirs, kicking China out of our classrooms.
And taking out Iranian bad guys.
And then there's Joe...
It's not what a man says, it's what he does that matters.
As far as who has their hand on a nuclear button, I would worry about being able to defend against a rogue country that had that in mind for us.
That's why the military was the #1 priority. It was wasted. We had no bullets. We were defenseless.
And then there's Joe...
But thats' just my some of my reasons for voting for Trump.
HUGS

We are due for a major military conflict that will involve US troops.

No doubt about that.
Iraq, afghanistan, Somalia, and Albania...

Kinda overdue for one.

Probably needing to go put the hurt on someone soon.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Use common sense. Base your vote on his track record and his leadership. Does he love this country? Does he love the people? During the Covid crisis, did he over-step his authority as President or did he defer to the State Governors? Did he keep his promises? Does he make promises he can't keep? Does he speak his mind and let us know what he is thinking?

I agree Trump will be a better president than Biden. I have already thought it all thru on that one. And you're right.

 

[JohnDB]

I wouldn't say Trump divides people into groups. When Trump meets an individual, he doesn't see a class of people. He sees a unique individual.

I'm kinda going to disagree with that.

People are either givers or takers.
People like Trump want to be viewed as a giver but are really takers in disguise. And that perception is very important to Trump.

Because what he wants is to surround himself with givers who can accomplish tasks. Go beyond the norm and into extreme success of accomplishment. (Which he then gets to take credit for)

I don't really see him giving credit to a lot of people for their accomplishments with a huge fanfare.

That's not to say that Trump has been horrible as a president...far from it. He's done a better job than I expected. But for whatever reason he has made good on most every campaign promise he made in 2016. He has most certainly tried his best. He said it and he done it.

Of course the Democrats hate that...and his ability to get them riled up past the point of reason. (Can't think clearly when you are that angry)

He's been very successful. Too bad about this pandemic...if it weren't for that I'd see him winning in a landslide.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
People like Trump want to be viewed as a giver but are really takers in disguise. ...

I'm reminded of my dear deceased FAVORITE AUNT who used to tease: My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the FACTS.
And so I won't attempt to.

...
Too bad about this pandemic...if it weren't for that I'd see him winning in a landslide.

Yeah, what a "coincidence", which the Dems are parlaying into months and months and months of misery. -- What a coincidence!


Bobby Jo

 

[JohnDB]

I'm reminded of my dear deceased FAVORITE AUNT who used to tease: My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the FACTS.
And so I won't attempt to.



Yeah, what a "coincidence", which the Dems are parlaying into months and months and months of misery. -- What a coincidence!


Bobby Jo

Now the truth about this virus is that most "american" research is done globally.
PCR testing is a German procedure...
Now advanced to the USA.
Labs globally are given pieces of the research depending on the type and cost.

The lab in Wuhan facility was given a piece of live virus research by Texas University on Coronavirus. They gave a great price and the researcher was encouraged by cohorts to do so. (Cohorts later arrested for espionage)

The Lab in Wuhan facility was able to do things so cheaply because they didn't follow the safety protocols they claimed to when cleaning animal cages. They threw the waste into a regular dumpster instead of the incinerator...(saving money)
Where the local pests got into the trash and infected themselves and spread the virus.

So...
Yes it's a Chinese virus.
Yes it came from the lab in wuhan
It was research we were paying for under an NIH grant.
But this was not an expected result.
The isolated viruses were originally thought to be low virulent and not very harmful...just a minor respiratory cold. But useful for studying the effects of more virulent and damaging types of corona viruses.

But that's not what happened. Otherwise we never would have engaged in the research to begin with.

 

[Taken]

And it would appear to me that he has acted in a derogatory manner towards women. Here's one I will look at: How Trump talks about women - and does it matter?

Excuse me jumping. ;)

How Trump talks about women....
Straight out plants a negative implication...

So then....Does it matter?

And WHO is talking about his respectful treatment toward respectable women?

No one...and that is what I meant- plant a negative idea...then ask an "implied" unassuming question.

Answer- No it does not matter.

People "well known" or not, all have opinions, frequently disagree, talk about other people according to their own experiences...

Gender...women begging to be declared equal to men..."according to their rules"...lol
Ya, no.
I pretty much believe Trump gives respect to the respectable, regardless of Gender.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Raccoon1010]

Excuse me jumping. ;)

How Trump talks about women....
Straight out plants a negative implication...

So then....Does it matter?

And WHO is talking about his respectful treatment toward respectable women?

No one...and that is what I meant- plant a negative idea...then ask an "implied" unassuming question.

Answer- No it does not matter.

People "well known" or not, all have opinions, frequently disagree, talk about other people according to their own experiences...

Gender...women begging to be declared equal to men..."according to their rules"...lol
Ya, no.
I pretty much believe Trump gives respect to the respectable, regardless of Gender.

Glory to God,
Taken

I would take it a step further, which sounds more correct to me, that Trump gives respect to people that respect him. He gets easily offended when on the defensive. That much has been clear to me. But to say he only respects respectable women, sounds like a twisting of the facts.

And that behavior applies to men in regard to Trump also.

 

[farouk]

Three peace deals, bringing the troops home, explaining to NK that our button is bigger than theirs, kicking China out of our classrooms.
And taking out Iranian bad guys.
And then there's Joe...
It's not what a man says, it's what he does that matters.
As far as who has their hand on a nuclear button, I would worry about being able to defend against a rogue country that had that in mind for us.
That's why the military was the #1 priority. It was wasted. We had no bullets. We were defenseless.
And then there's Joe...
But thats' just my some of my reasons for voting for Trump.
HUGS

@Ziggy.....I'm Canadian.....:)

 

[Heyzeus]

You must read my posts with a list of logical fallacies next to your desk. Figures.

What part of - what something might become - and what that something is now - did you miss from the last post.[/quote]Why the same ol' worn out phrases? Are you taking a debate class or something?

Your response here clearly reveals that you didn't listen to what I said so far. You care not to understand me, but only to "debate" me in such a silly manner, using worn out phrases and identifying each "logical fallacy" by name. Sad.

Finally, you admit the truth. You don't understand me. That is the first honest thing you have said so far. Perhaps you should put away your $10 words and pay closer attention.

The fact that a human fertilized egg is human is self evident. I don't need to prove what everyone already knows.

Your attempted venture into metaphysics is beside the point. Go back and re-read my posts. Attempt to understand what I said, since you admit you don't understand. Ask me intelligent questions instead of attempting to sound smart with your logic references. and trite phrases.[/QUOTE]

What a joke of a post - you whine and complain about being called out on your false accusations and fallacious nonsense .. and then follow up with "You don't listen"

Clearly I did listen .. how else would I have been able to list your various false accusations and fallacious claims ?

You then laughably state "It is self evident that the zygote is human" Obviously you have no clue what this debate is about .. we all know and grant that the zygote is "human" - it is a human zygote.

Don't blame your inability to distinguish between a noun and a descriptive adjective on incoherence in others.

Your post is complete nonsense .. in a massive effort to avoid the simple question posed to you.

When does the soul arrive - and "WHY" .. naked claims are not worth much.

 

[Taken]

Citation? And I'm not personally judging Trump, but I have to vote and know who's representing me, and keeping in mind that they have the power to use nuclear weapons on our behalf, a possible narcissist with a nuclear button representing me is something I don't take lightly:

Dont SEE the correlation ...
Between a narcissist and having concern with their finger on a nuke.

Would they somehow be exempt and only you affected should they press the button?

Personally, I think the question..."Have you ever asked God for Forgiveness" Should have been responded with...
Forgiveness for what?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Heyzeus]

When people make derogatory statements towards women, I would hope it was stemming from a heated argument. After the flames have settled, I would be asking God for forgiveness at minimum, but perhaps not asking the person I offended for forgiveness? What does the bible teach us? Well there are many passages, but I like this one the most:

Ephesians 4:29-32

29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

And this appears to be a problem that some members on this forum have, so I don't expect a warm welcome on the subject.

No argument from me on that .. although I did not make to much hay over the locker room comment. It is a fact that women will approach the rich and famous .. and let them do what ever they like .. "who knew" ...

I think the issue here is whether or not Trump is genuine in his faith - or just doing this for the show. There is little doubt in my mind that Trump is doing this for show - rather than any devout religious belief.

I have a passage as well .. (I like yours too) - Matt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

 

[Taken]

I would take it a step further, which sounds more correct to me, that Trump gives respect to people that respect him. He gets easily offended when on the defensive. That much has been clear to me. But to say he only respects respectable women, sounds like a twisting of the facts.

And that behavior applies to men in regard to Trump also.

Semantics.
Being offended is a normal reaction to negativity.
Being in the limelight expands opportunity for increased negativity. And with the Immense Hate campaign against Trump for the last Four years...I am quite pleasantly surprised at what he has accomplished....AND like his dedicated work ethics.

I'm not going to hash out a debate over Who or What Trump respects.
I gave my opinion.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

This is all about whether Trump ever asked God for forgiveness???
If he said Yes the left would have a field day saying he's strutting himself as holier than thou LOL.
If he said No the left would condemn him for being a hypocrite upholding christian values.
This is freakin hilarious
HAHAHAHA

 

[Taken]

I think the issue here is whether or not Trump is genuine in his faith - or just doing this for the show. There is little doubt in my mind that Trump is doing this for show -

I think your comment is disingenuous.

I don't believe Trump is particularly well versed in Scripture. Well neither were the people hearing blips before the NT was written.

Two things:
1) Only the individual and God truly knows a man's heart.
2) The onlooker only know a man by his works.

Trump was elected to Represent the American People.
I score him excellent for his diligence and accomplishments.

Regarding his Faith...Often I have heard his request for Gods Blessing on America and her People.

Often I have heard him say he Loves God, Loves the Church, Loves The Bible, etc.

I have Never heard him be Negative Against God.

So what are you seeing, that is a mystery to me?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Heyzeus]

I think your comment is disingenuous.

I don't believe Trump is particularly well versed in Scripture. Well neither were the people hearing blips before the NT was written.

Two things:
1) Only the individual and God truly knows a man's heart.
2) The onlooker only know a man by his works.

Trump was elected to Represent the American People.
I score him excellent for his diligence and accomplishments.

Regarding his Faith...Often I have heard his request for Gods Blessing on America and her People.

Often I have heard him say he Loves God, Loves the Church, Loves The Bible, etc.

I have Never heard him be Negative Against God.

So what are you seeing, that is a mystery to me?

Glory to God,
Taken

One must look at actions - and not words .. as per scripture

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Presidents are "Selected" not "Elected" - who is Trump in bed with

A) Putin
B) Sugar Daddy ... and who is Sugar daddy ? and why is being in league with Sugar Daddy a bad thing.

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

I don't see Trump as being like this so much .. but this relates to the topic .. Just because someone is out there crying Jesus Jesus Jesus -does not make them righteous in the eyes of the Lord..

I fact - 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[kcnalp]

I don't have to.

You'd better be able to prove it's not "a human". You're gonna stand before God on Judgment Day.

It is up to the claimant to support claim. I do not claim a zygote is not a human .. You on the other hand claim de-facto that the zygote is a human.

So you don't know if it's "a human" but you're ok with killing "it". Are you a Liberal?

Why should I believe this claim. How is this single human cell - the same as a living human.

What definition of "Human" are you using .. I know of at least 5 main scientific perspectives on this question .. but feel free to use philosophic or bioethical arguments...

Do what you like .. but give some rational that shows why we should accept your claim as true.

Yes .. a terrible human I am.. - I must kill life in order to survive .. as that is how God made me and there is no other way for humans to survive.

You have yet to figure out what "Them" is yet .. so your accusation is fallacious gibberish.

Let "them" live and I would be willing to bet my house they will be born as precious little babies. Do you deny being a Liberal?

 

[Taken]

This is all about whether Trump ever asked God for forgiveness???
If he said Yes the left would have a field day saying he's strutting himself as holier than thou LOL.
If he said No the left would condemn him for being a hypocrite upholding christian values.
This is freakin hilarious
HAHAHAHA

That was intended to be a set-up question.

The majority of the Same people, from observation, are constantly asking God for forgiveness.
I don't. Once was Sufficient...

Trump is not a match for a Biblical Scholar....
so why would anyone jump in because people are curious...
People are curious about all kinds of things regarding other people...it's called not your business...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

That was intended to be a set-up question.

The majority of the Same people, from observation, are constantly asking God for forgiveness.
I don't. Once was Sufficient...

Trump is not a match for a Biblical Scholar....
so why would anyone jump in because people are curious...
People are curious about all kinds of things regarding other people...it's called not your business...

God Bless,
Taken

I don't think Liberals realize the Conservatives have a sense of humour.
I love comedians like George Carlin.
He didn't care what your stance was or your political views.
He just said what he said and it was FUNNY and we laughed.
Try that with the Left, they get so offended, angry, NASTY.
I enjoy watching the parade. It makes life interesting :)