In the beginning something virtual happened

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To me, virtual means either:
1) not complete, but almost complete. A glass of water filled almost to the top is virtually full, but not quite.
2) not real, but looks real. By a machine, we created an image of Jesus, when we tried to touch the image we felt nothing.

So now use these 2 definitions of virtual(ly) in a sentence about the creation. Thank you.

For one thing its not over till it is the last day under the Sun .The work was finished in 6 days. Using it in a sentence I would offer .

Let there (the will or intention ) and it was good (the vitual power.) A living faith that he began in us he promises he wil continue to work with us in us until the last day.
 

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Carnal knowledge science can't describe "virtual" because it is describing the spiritual.
 

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We have wave-particle duality. Waves are virtual. Particles ..not so much when physical.
Sorry, waves are not virtual. Waves simply cannot distinguish individual particles. Both particles and waves are real. Each has mass. Virtual is non-material, does not exist, is an image of something real.

Your focus on the word "virtual" is not healthy in this context. When God said, let there be light, photons, whether they were in a wave or in a particle started to hit the earth, and there was light. From the beginning, God did not create anything that was virtual. He created all things in their fullest, and with mass, not just an image of an immaterial (virtual) thing.

There was nothing virtual about the big bang. From the beginning it burst forth, there was material substance, not virtual, non-material anything.

Could God have had a virtual image in his mind, when thought about saying, let there be light? Yes.
But as soon as He said it, there was real photons hitting the earth. Could God have had a virtual image in his mind about what man looked like before He said, let us make man....? Yes. But as soon as man was made, it was a real man with mass, not some virtual non-existent being.

So virtual could have a place before the creation, yes, but not in the real creation.
 

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For one thing its not over till it is the last day under the Sun .The work was finished in 6 days. Using it in a sentence I would offer .

Let there (the will or intention ) and it was good (the vitual power.) A living faith that he began in us he promises he wil continue to work with us in us until the last day.
I would say it this way: Let there (virtual image of what is to happen), and it was good (the real force created something real). What do you think?
 
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Virtual to me sounds as though the experience of existence is only in the mind and the true self is outside of it somewhere, but that cannot be because it was designed and created. You are not without form. You have senses, you taste, you see, you smell, touch, hear. Men were created in the image of God.

I believe Heaven is also physical. Look at the Bible, it says on Revelation all of the gemstones - which are the same ones we have here. The angels are described, the streets of gold. And then the alternative.

It is not that we're living in a form of virtual reality, it is that we are separated from a better reality - including what our reality was intended to be. We are not just going through a test, either, to see where we are going to go and see if we're good enough to go to heaven. We are depending on God to save us from a second death that was inherited as a curse on mankind.
 

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To me, virtual means either:
1) not complete, but almost complete. A glass of water filled almost to the top is virtually full, but not quite.
2) not real, but looks real. By a machine, we created an image of Jesus, when we tried to touch the image we felt nothing.

So now use these 2 definitions of virtual(ly) in a sentence about the creation. Thank you.

Yes, and why would He it say "tov meod" (very good) if we were incomplete:

Genesis 1:31
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Virtual means not quite full, or non-existent image. How is that describing spiritiual(ity)?

Yeah, again Genesis 1:31


It is not that we're living in a form of virtual reality, it is that we are separated from a better reality - including what our reality was intended to be. We are not just going through a test, either, to see where we are going to go and see if we're good enough to go to heaven. We are depending on God to save us from a second death that was inherited as a curse on mankind.

Yes, yes,

This world went from being whole and fulfilled to this current fragmentation.

If anything, the virtual broke in sometime after creation (my guess is at the bite of the forbidden fruit)--and then we have the rise of scientific thought which attempts to repair the damage (or at least explain it), but only leads to more fragmentation...
 
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Yes, he created two beginning two starts in Genesis .One seen the temporal the other not seen the eternal.

Christ in us that work that virtually leads to a new beginning.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Virtually a living law that works in the new creature .Knowing that all die not receiving the last phase of our salvation, a new incorruptible body we have a living abiding Hope .

Therefore not after the temporal things seen. But rather after the incorruptible faith of Christ .Not made up of the things seen the rudiment of this world after the philosophies as oral traditions (I heard it through the grape vine) of this world. But one that virtually leads to a new beginning.

The rudiment of this world include the molecules and atom . In the beginning. . Let there be molecules and atoms and it was good .Can’t find God who is not a man under a microscope or a telescope. He has no corrupted DNA
 
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Yes, and why would He it say "tov meod" (very good) if we were incomplete:

Genesis 1:31
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."



Yeah, again Genesis 1:31




Yes, yes,

This world went from being whole and fulfilled to this current fragmentation.

If anything, the virtual broke in sometime after creation (my guess is at the bite of the forbidden fruit)--and then we have the rise of scientific thought which attempts to repair the damage (or at least explain it), but only leads to more fragmentation...
I think the idea of a virtual reality comes from visitations, dreams, going to Heaven (in or out of the body I do not know) comes from the fact you can't really feel anything- at least from what I remember from an experience in my own vision- or ghosts walking through walls or whatever.

The Bible doesn't say that ghosts aren't real - there's the rising up of Saul with the Witch of Endor and Jesus doesn't deny ghosts either. "Look
at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." We are also forbidden from communicating with the dead, which is necromancy, which the Catholics practice by praying to the saints. (Lately everything I've been studying keeps bringing up the vatican so I'm listening to Mysteries of the Vatican series on Conspiracy Theories podcast .. I'm on a little bit of a tangent. This is all of their stuff that we get blamed for. HELLO. Christian and Catholic are not the same. That's NOT us)

But then we are given Heavenly bodies, but to suggest that our experience is basically a simulation is to also say that God didn't actually create, but behold, the earth was formed.
 
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I think the idea of a virtual reality comes from visitations, dreams, going to Heaven (in or out of the body I do not know) comes from the fact you can't really feel anything- at least from what I remember from an experience in my own vision- or ghosts walking through walls or whatever.

The Bible doesn't say that ghosts aren't real - there's the rising up of Saul with the Witch of Endor and Jesus doesn't deny ghosts either. "Look
at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." We are also forbidden from communicating with the dead, which is necromancy, which the Catholics practice by praying to the saints.

But then we are given Heavenly bodies, but to suggest that our experience is basically a simulation is to also say that God didn't actually create, but behold, the earth was formed.


This all depends on how you define the term "ghosts," Fluffy. If by it you mean human spirits of people departed from earth, this was clearly real in the case of Samuel, but can be mimicked by demonic spirits as well. It's an interesting discussion.

But while it is an occult practice and clearly forbidden by God, the Biblical account suggests it really was Samuel she brought up.

3 Now Samuel had died, and all Israel had lamented for him and buried him in Ramah, in his own city. And Saul had put the mediums and the spiritists out of the land. 4 Then the Philistines gathered together, and came and encamped at Shunem. So Saul gathered all Israel together, and they encamped at Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the army of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart trembled greatly. 6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by the prophets. 7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at Endor.” 8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.” 9 Then the woman said to him, “Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?” 10 And Saul swore to her by the Lord, saying, “As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” 11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” 13 And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.” 14 So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” 16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.” 20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night. 21 And the woman came to Saul and saw that he was severely troubled, and said to him, “Look, your maidservant has obeyed your voice, and I have put my life in my hands and heeded the words which you spoke to me. 22 Now therefore, please, heed also the voice of your maidservant, and let me set a piece of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.” 23 But he refused and said, “I will not eat.” So his servants, together with the woman, urged him; and he heeded their voice. Then he arose from the ground and sat on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a fatted calf in the house, and she hastened to kill it. And she took flour and kneaded it, and baked unleavened bread from it. 25 So she brought it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night. (1 Samuel 28:3-25).

The poor children, especially young girls, who get preyed upon by demonic spirits pretending to be "Uncle Joe" or some friendly old codger are victims in the worst ways, however. Some end up getting raped by those demons if they are not strong enough to resist and do not call upon the Living God for deliverance.

So it all depends on who and what you are talking about.
 
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This all depends on how you define the term "ghosts," Fluffy. If by it you mean human spirits of people departed from earth, this was clearly real in the case of Samuel, but can be mimicked by demonic spirits as well. It's an interesting discussion.

But while it is an occult practice and clearly forbidden by God, the Biblical account suggests it really was Samuel she brought up.

3 Now Samuel had died, and all Israel had lamented for him and buried him in Ramah, in his own city. And Saul had put the mediums and the spiritists out of the land. 4 Then the Philistines gathered together, and came and encamped at Shunem. So Saul gathered all Israel together, and they encamped at Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the army of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart trembled greatly. 6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by the prophets. 7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at Endor.” 8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.” 9 Then the woman said to him, “Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?” 10 And Saul swore to her by the Lord, saying, “As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” 11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” 13 And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.” 14 So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” 16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.” 20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night. 21 And the woman came to Saul and saw that he was severely troubled, and said to him, “Look, your maidservant has obeyed your voice, and I have put my life in my hands and heeded the words which you spoke to me. 22 Now therefore, please, heed also the voice of your maidservant, and let me set a piece of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.” 23 But he refused and said, “I will not eat.” So his servants, together with the woman, urged him; and he heeded their voice. Then he arose from the ground and sat on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a fatted calf in the house, and she hastened to kill it. And she took flour and kneaded it, and baked unleavened bread from it. 25 So she brought it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night. (1 Samuel 28:3-25).

The poor children, especially young girls, who get preyed upon by demonic spirits pretending to be "Uncle Joe" or some friendly old codger are victims in the worst ways, however. Some end up getting raped by those demons if they are not strong enough to resist and do not call upon the Living God for deliverance.

So it all depends on who and what you are talking about.

Yes, I fully believe in that, too. I never personally did anything like that. For some reason as deep as I went, I never felt like talking to ghosts. Even as a witch, I knew they were more than likely demons. When unbelievers are avoiding something occultic, even some atheists won't touch a board, that should tell the Christians something.
 
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Time, Light and Spirits originate from the Universal Wave (God).

Time has states. Virtual Time in superposition is all possible paths of causality from the EM vector field.

Position is scalar. Momentum is vector/virtual.

Uncertainty allows virtual/vector quantities to function from multiple paths.

Fallen/Scalar Time is what causes age, decay, and death. It is when something has finite paths.

Wave-particle duality is all about possible paths.

The core is virtual ..it is harder to say classical/scalar is. String Theory is about vibration ..sound vibrates ..God's Word is everything.