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NayborBear

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Did the tempter convince himself that God wasn't real to become the beast? Jesus told satan about God the Father when He was being tempted in the desert ..but maybe he just ignored it like carnal atheists do.

No? the "tempter/beguiler" knows the Spirit of GOD is real! We know now how "children" are born. And it would remain plausible Adam n Eve "did it" the same way all hot blooded creatures on earth "do it." It may even be plausible "child bearing" for Eve was done in a similar manner as kangaroos. Where the baby crawls out of the womb (painless to the mother), and into some sort of "incubative area." We may also assume with a high degree of certainity that they (Adam n Eve) were not aware (flesh/spiritual eyes shut) of what they were doing. Just being "fruitful and multiplying" yanno?
We also know now how ashamed they both were after the beguiler "showed" them(fleshwise and spiritualwise) that what they were doing was "being/acting as God."
And so began the tribulation!
As can be read more then several times throughout the O.T. how angry GOD was at the "work/s" man wrought with his hands.
And THIS is why!:

The Book of Enoch
Chapter 8
Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2 Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3 Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4 Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
5 Barkayal taught the observers of the stars,
(9) Observers of the stars. Astrologers.
6 Akibeel taught signs;
7 Tamiel taught astronomy;
8 And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon,

(this has been that which we have been tasked with in putting Christ's enemies as a footstool)
The book of Enoch
Chapter 10
25 Purify the earth from all oppression, from all injustice, from all crime, from all impiety, and from all the pollution which is committed upon it. Exterminate them from the earth.
28 In those days I will open the treasures of blessing which are in heaven, that I may cause them to descend upon earth, and upon all the works and labour of man.

John 14:
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions (places/areas, as well as levels of abiding/s, if you will): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Peter 2:
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 

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death wants us to live as carnal man. It doesn't want us to know anything about the spiritual ..the afterlife.

death is a lowercase god to us ..we handed authority over so that we could sin ..participate in death ..separation from God.

tempter/adversary/satan/devil/death
 

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Is the devil talking about the authority we gave him?

Luke 4:5-7

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
 

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Judaism doesn't acknowledge satan because satan is about spirit. Jews are about the flesh/Law.
satan couldn't attack Jews spiritually. Did he have a claim on them?

Adam was the first with spirit, but gave it away to sin/death.
Human spirit didn't restart until Jesus.
 

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Virtually??? I believe something literally happened.....God created the heavens and the earth.
 

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Did the first Adam represent natural mankind souls?

If the last Adam is Jesus, was He the first soul to have a spirit?


1 Corinthians 15:45-48
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
 

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Do you think a Creator God could set a reality in a way that He could only be found through the Heart? This morality test hinges on being able to choose God or not.
 

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We signed up to be in satan's dark sub-virtual-reality of death, decoherence, relativity, locality, a way to sin. Partially separated from God's coherence-Universal Wave. If you can only define yourself via sin ..you have zero chance of becoming one with God.
 

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Would anything with God's image eventually request to sin (be about themselves)?
Is this place a necessary step to find souls that want to go back to everlasting life with God?
 

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Free Will doesn't matter after you join God's Team. You see the excuses for unbelievers as obvious illusions designed for them. The past is virtual. You have the choice to consider something larger than mankind.
 

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Consider why satan would even think he could compare to God. Was it because he was already our lowercase god as the tempter?
Consider kenneth copeland . He sees himself as greater than Christ .
same spirit is in kenneth .
oh you might want proof . Okay . HE said he , kenneth , had to tell GOD to get HIS SON outta the way so that HE , KENNETH , could get the job done . NOW that man is infected with PRIDE , as was lucifer . Many exalt themselves and think they the great thing . That is deadly minded and full of death and perdition at its end .
 

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Did the first Adam represent natural mankind souls?

If the last Adam is Jesus, was He the first soul to have a spirit?


1 Corinthians 15:45-48
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Here is the truth that no one believes due to teachings of the created religion of Christianity.

We are born "DEAD spirits" (I Corinthians 15:21-22) to whom Jesus commanded "You must be born again of the Spirit" (John 3:5-7).

Jesus is "A QUICKENING SPIRIT" (I Corinthians 15:45) Whose "POWER comes upon us" (Acts 1:8) after Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5) Who "QUICKENS us back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) as we are "born again of the Spirit" (John 3:5-7).

Unfortunately today's Christians have been taught water baptism takes priority over the POWER OF GOD (Romans 1:16) Who "baptizes them with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) and "QUICKENS back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) leaving them "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) and "God is not the God of the DEAD"(Mark 12:27).
 

Norine J Williams

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You relinquish Free Will to become compatible with God.
AMEN!

"And I will put My Spirit within you, and CAUSE you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments, and do them" (Ezekiel 36:27)!

19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me" (John 5:19-30).
 

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We gave our authority for the illusions of Fallen Free Will with the tempter. It allows us to sin ..to be separated from God. It gives us every excuse possible to deny God. True freedom is ignoring the illusions and allowing God in our lives.
 

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The lie of the tempter, that we wouldn't die, is why we are here. he represented death which equates separation from God. The tempter's lie is what leads to the illusions that disguise the spiritual. That's why Jesus said He was The Truth and The Way.
 

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Human spirit = your perception of reality using either fallen Free Will or righteous Free Will
 

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Original sin
They spiritually died, became a dead free will spirit.
God was starting the test of this reality by not letting them eat from the Tree of Life (Christ)..everlasting life.
Righteous Free Will to fallen Free Will. We get righteous again by opening the door to Christ.