In the beginning something virtual happened
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There can be no beginning without there first being an ending
There can be no ending without there being a beginning
Everything has always existed, just in a different form
And yet God tells us in the begining. That means when things started, not a recombination.
We are also told that everything was made by Jesus and for Jesus, that nothing exists other than what he created.
There is also the awful warning that one day this creation will end.
We have to live in satan's perception because of Adam and Eve. The carnal mind is using the same perception. Believers can perceive the spiritual. This corrupted place is temporary.
There wouldn't be free will if the saved disappeared after opening the door. Everyone would know.
We perceive with the Tree of Life after finding The Way. The carnal mind is using the Tree of Knowledge. The saved still have to deal with the Tree of Knowledge because this reality is man's perception (satan/Tree of Knowledge).
Do we live in Satan's perception because of Adam and Eve? Does man's carnal mind use the same perception? Did Christ give us The Way out of Satan's perception? Did man's original sin give Satan authority to observe and become a lowercase god?
satan is the lowercase god of this reality. he isn't dumb. Discrediting the Bible is his favorite thing to do.
locality/relativity allows us to be about ourselves ..sin.
locality/relativity allows us to be about ourselves ..sin.
Did the tempter become satan after the OT?
Was the New Covenant planned to handle satan after he was he done working for God in the OT and became power hungry?
Was pre-satan just doing his job during the OT as a tempter/morality tester? Is this why the Jews don't acknowledge satan?
Did God use pre-satan to enable free will? Does the tempter represent the Tree of Knowledge? satan's carnal knowledge?
Is eating the fruit symbolism for signing up to allow the tempter to be our lowercase god?
Was the New Covenant planned to handle satan after he was he done working for God in the OT and became power hungry?
Was pre-satan just doing his job during the OT as a tempter/morality tester? Is this why the Jews don't acknowledge satan?
Did God use pre-satan to enable free will? Does the tempter represent the Tree of Knowledge? satan's carnal knowledge?
Is eating the fruit symbolism for signing up to allow the tempter to be our lowercase god?
Consider why satan would even think he could compare to God. Was it because he was already our lowercase god as the tempter?
Did the tempter(our lowercase god because of Adam) cause himself to become skeptical of the actual God (The Father and Christ) and later become satan because of it?
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How does all this supposed science get us closer to Jesus Christ.
Do we live in Satan's perception because of Adam and Eve? Yes.
Does man's carnal mind use the same perception? No, satans perception is far more advanced in wickedness than the regular man. A few men and women have reached the depths of satan's perception.
Did Christ give us The Way out of Satan's perception? Yes.
Did man's original sin give Satan authority to observe and become a lowercase god? No, satan is the ultimate un-god. Oh, he has some power now, given him by Jesus, but when the end comes, satan and his followers will not be happy, they will understand the concept of un-god.
Not quite. I believe lucifer was once called the "light bearer", meaning he was once one of Gods most powerful, most righteous angels. He was close to God himself. Lucifer, however, decided he wanted to be God and fought to get all the angels on his side to literally try to remove God and take his place. This all happened in heaven before A & E and the garden scene. (and he is not our lowercase god).
We know this because as the scripture says, God cast lucifer and the angels that followed him out of heaven and to the earth, and his name became satan.
Then God created the garden on the earth and A & E was placed in it. A short time later satan approached them, and the fall took place.
You have to remember there was a lot of things happening in heaven before the earth was even created, and a lot of things happening in heaven before A & E came to the garden. You get a small glimpse of this in Revelations 12.
No, he was lucifer, a powerful and righteous angel. But not a lowercase god. He was an angel. I believe he was second to God himself. The first closest to God was Jesus.
Lucifer came to hate Jesus because he was closer to God than he was. He could not corrupt Jesus, so he prepared to remove God, and there was war in heaven. Lucifer lost, and was cast to the earth, and will ultimately be thrown into the bottomless pit with his followers. He had some power for a brief time, but was not god of any sort.
So forward we must go.
Is freedom from all possible paths the same as going from order to disorder?
Unobserved branches of time are orderly because they are coherent. Disorder (sin/fallen time) is decoherence in a coherent system.
Did you know the Jews don't acknowledge satan? I think it's because he wasn't satan yet.
If light and darkness were separated/divided, does that mean the fallen can't detect God's Kingdom? Is this why/how angels have free will? Did the tempter of the Garden of Eden access darkness? Did the pre-beast originally work for God?
Did eating the fruit symbolize giving authority to the tempter to be our lowercase god? Is the carnal mind using the pre-beast perception of knowledge and preventing itself from knowing about the spiritual?
Unobserved branches of time are unknown. How can you say they are orderly or disorderly unless you observe them?
Satan existed on earth and tempted A&E in the bible 3,000 years before Judah was even born. So I am sure
satan was satan during the time of Jacob, Judah, and Moses and the descendents of Judah, the Jews. Some esoteric Jew was hallucinating on marijuana and wrote some weird stuff about no satan, and a sect of the Jews believe it to this day.
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